TinMan
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But dogs weren't dogs until humans got involved with wolves. Humans created dog as a new species.
In Creation, you love Jesus; in Evolution, what do you love? (evolve 'love'? thoughts?)
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Wrangler
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No, that's hogwash. Dogs are wolves and wolves are dogs, is what you would say.
I wish someone would say something that makes people understand that new kinds aren't new species!
ButterflyJones
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What do they love, Theistic Evolutionists? Themselves and God.
Non-Christian, atheists, evolutionists? Themselves.
Non-Christian, atheists, evolutionists? Themselves.
I think what it is, is that for every member of the species, God is the one God.
If wolves and dogs were different species, they would have a different God (to each other).
When we say God is "the God of Mankind", we are saying 'it doesn't matter what kind of human we are, we have the same God".
If wolves and dogs were different species, they would have a different God (to each other).
When we say God is "the God of Mankind", we are saying 'it doesn't matter what kind of human we are, we have the same God".
I think what it is you love, in Evolution, is "change". The Bible says "have no other gods before me", but I think Evolutionists make a 'god of change'. It's a sin.
It makes sense to say "I will change my kind, Lord willing" - then you are doing something with what Evolution promises. But to say "I will change species, even if the Lord objects" is sin.
It's essentially like the two sons, whose father tells them to go work in the field one says "I won't go" then does, the other says "I will go" and doesn't. Evolution can be taken seriously, as relates to kind, but it can't be trusted as relates to changes of species.
EDIT: There is even a sense, in which changes to kind, should be reduced and that creatures should seek to be domesticated (where they can). This fulfils the need to be humble about Evolution, not proud.
It makes sense to say "I will change my kind, Lord willing" - then you are doing something with what Evolution promises. But to say "I will change species, even if the Lord objects" is sin.
It's essentially like the two sons, whose father tells them to go work in the field one says "I won't go" then does, the other says "I will go" and doesn't. Evolution can be taken seriously, as relates to kind, but it can't be trusted as relates to changes of species.
EDIT: There is even a sense, in which changes to kind, should be reduced and that creatures should seek to be domesticated (where they can). This fulfils the need to be humble about Evolution, not proud.
I know that believing in Jesus makes greater Evolution possible.
But I would rather say that the object (for me) at this stage, is to 'evolve' maturely.
I think what I love (in terms of Evolution) is God's maturity?
But I would rather say that the object (for me) at this stage, is to 'evolve' maturely.
I think what I love (in terms of Evolution) is God's maturity?
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TinMan
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TinMan
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Interesting, you believe that if a creator has a change in appearance or behaviour that makes it a new creature.
The problem is each of the examples in your three links all remain the same creature.
All that has happened is they have specialised in some area, there has not been any change.
TinMan
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Maybe I should have started with a basic definition of species, since you don't seem to know.
No you just have to provide what you claim is available, prove of evolution, rather than change within a species.
TinMan
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No I'm asking for prove of evolution. An insect adapts to eat a totally different diet from the same I set the other side of a barrier, fish above and below a waterfall develop differently etc etc they are still the same creature.
You claim there is abundant prove, so show me a verifiable trail where a creature has developed characteristics that are not in its parents.
Change within a species is well documented and is not evolution in the " goo to you via the zoo" sense .
TinMan
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I said its there if you are willing to look.
Why? you will just change the definition of species and ignore it.
Maybe what you love, in Evolution, is the "process" - like calling something half full, it means that you enjoy the work associated with Evolution.
Someone who loves the process, has a little justice to keep moving in the spirit.
Jesus said "if you have little, it will be taken from you" - maybe what we need to pray, is that Evolutionists' love of the process would grow, into something more than "a little justice"?
Someone who loves the process, has a little justice to keep moving in the spirit.
Jesus said "if you have little, it will be taken from you" - maybe what we need to pray, is that Evolutionists' love of the process would grow, into something more than "a little justice"?
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The problem for Evolution, I think, is that it does not establish the beginning in a humane way. It's always thought of as a force, this force produces this "outcome". Whereas from the Bible we know, that God creates by establishing a 'relationship' and He relates to us through that relationship, as our awareness grows - both of what we are becoming, but also what He made us.
As long as Evolution works like a laboratory, that doesn't know the meaning of 'philosophy', they are always going to be behind the eight ball, as far as replicating the relationship or type of relationship (even) that God creates.
God will hand over the reigns of Creation to Man, but only as long as Man grows in faith.
As long as Evolution works like a laboratory, that doesn't know the meaning of 'philosophy', they are always going to be behind the eight ball, as far as replicating the relationship or type of relationship (even) that God creates.
God will hand over the reigns of Creation to Man, but only as long as Man grows in faith.
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