Is Homosexuality And Christianity, Orthodox And Compatible?

[bbyrd009]

personally i would be wondering if "homosexual Christian" doesn't really equal someone who professes belief yet ignores every other Scriptural edict, uses dollars as if they were money, owes a large debt to some bank, Judges Muslims as somehow inferior, and/or believes that Jesus came to take them to a place called "heaven"--only after they have died of course--as long as they "believe" the correct things strongly enough. Stuff like that.

Spiritual Homosexuals iow.

In this case it seems to me that Paul is through his words condemning the Roman Empires culture of orgies, decadence and coercion of children. And that people 'possessed' by that culture give in to the hegemonic sins of the Empire.

nice imo; as above, so below

so homosexuality is perceived as the problem, when it is much more likely a symptom

 

[bbyrd009]

the real Q is likely "are seekers and self-appointed arbiters (judges) compatible?"

bc if we had just treated gay ppl with the same rights we expect we would not even be having this convo imo

ppl get all plexed up about gays bc they have their own issues; in most cases they have even aided the descent into homosexuality w/o realizing it i think

 

[Truth7t7]

In the above scripture Ive always noted how "boasters" sits along side "vile affections" and "disobedient to parents" sits along with "Dishonour their own bodies." And I ask if being boastful and being disobedient to parents were, at the time, traits that were considered common to Homosexuals? Is that why they are listed together? I think Homosexuality has been understood differently over time and cultures? In this case it seems to me that Paul is through his words condemning the Roman Empires culture of orgies, decadence and coercion of children. And that people 'possessed' by that culture give in to the hegemonic sins of the Empire. Paul as a Jew would have exposure to the idea of Collective Sin. I sometimes think he has a modicum of compassion for these sinners as a fellow human, but also acknowledges Gods sovereignty to cast aside unrepentant sinners?

Or does this section of Scripture simply highlight how a sin is a sin is a sin? That pride and Homosexuality are equal as sins? And if so, Id have to say that the entire body of Christ is susceptible to many of these sins, while being incredibly vocal about the other half of the sins listed barring someone from Salvation. I read there to be a lot more scripture on economic issues then on those of sexuality. While I know that Homosexuality is a sin, I cant help but note the disparity in the Churches focus on the subject.

Christs highest calling to us is to live as He did. He tells us that celibacy is righteous but too high of a calling for most Matthew 19:10-12. I think that human sexuality is something that - in its entirety - needs to be made new in Christs return?

So to answer the question in the OP; I dont think I have enough of an understanding of if a compatibility is possible or Orthodox. The Orthodox part because I think what Homosexuality exists like is conceived of differently since that writing (i.e. they didnt seek same sex marriage and were most often in hetero marriages). Also, I believe in the possibility of further revelation so would only put partial weight on Orthodoxy. But also because I know my Salvation is true while I confess things from that list such as having been disobedient to parents, envy, I debate frequently, and have lusted. Im just gonna have to keep working on all that, knowing Im saved by grace. I would encourage a Homosexual Christian to do the same.

God does not have rainbow flag churches, with practicing homosexuals in leadership.

Fornication, Adultery, Homosexuality, are all Sin That Must Be Repented Of And Turned Away From.

No Such Thing As Homosexual Christian, Oxymoron.

 

[Helen]

No! homosexuality and Christianity do not MIX! Homosexuality In My Opinion would be UNORTHODOX, Totally against the word Of God, and not at all compatible, I hope that answer is acceptable, For everything that I hold true in my conscience, according to Gods word is My answer. As I said every scripture that you posted is in fact their reward! But that is God and Savior's responsibility, They are the True Judge's.

Good post.
We all mostly know where we stand on it. ( with the truth..and homosexuality is 'the lie'...it is not truth or light)

Yet I do believe as Christians we do need to check our hearts too.
Because if our judgement of them, cause us to somehow feel more righteous, then we have a problem.

Mostly the response is anger and disgust..there is something within us that just can't stop that happening, because it is abnormal.
Yet I wonder along with our judgements , how often we do PRAY for an individual that we happen to know.
Or do we ever weep over them, their deception, and their fall?

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Hey, Barney, are you trying to find excuses for homosexuals?

It's like in the Catholic/Protestant fighting thread: "Catholics killed many. Response: Yes, but Protestants killed more."

What I'm trying to do is be honest and truthful. The Bible tells us those who practice any type of sexual immorality are the ones who will not get into God's kingdom. That means it is those who practice homosexuality that will not get into God's kingdom, there is a difference between a mistake, which we all make and people who practice any type of sin. When we make a mistake we ask for forgiveness and strive very hard to not make the mistake again.

 

[kit]

God does not have rainbow flag churches, with practicing homosexuals in leadership.

Fornication, Adultery, Homosexuality, are all Sin That Must Be Repented Of And Turned Away From.

No Such Thing As Homosexual Christian, Oxymoron.

I struggled to find a phrase to discuss someone who identifies as Christian and is same sex attracted. I took a few runs at it and eventually had to move on. I dont disagree that someone happily acting on desires cannot be said to be pursuing their faith. I also agree about leadership and flags. I disagree that one who has same sex attraction needs to be cast away just for having those urges. But they do need to be committed to Christianity, imo. Not claiming to have any answers on that last point. I think its very complicated.

 

[Triumph1300]

I think its very complicated.

No it's not.
Sin is sin.
Repentance is repentance.

 

[Truth]

Good post.
We all mostly know where we stand on it. ( with the truth..and homosexuality is 'the lie'...it is not truth or light)

Yet I do believe as Christians we do need to check our hearts too.
Because if our judgement of them, cause us to somehow feel more righteous, then we have a problem.

Mostly the response is anger and disgust..there is something within us that just can't stop that happening, because it is abnormal.
Yet I wonder along with our judgements , how often we do PRAY for an individual that we happen to know.
Or do we ever weep over them, their deception, and their fall?

There is a Couple! Two Lady's that are !!!!!!! One is dying of cancer, and she just lost her Two brother's to cancer a year ago, and both her parents to the same, They all were from Hawaii, seem's to be in their Code, any way we have been praying for her for a few month's now, ran into her partner in the store two day's ago, and she was in total grief, they do love one another. It just broke my wife and I up, for her. we have known them for 6 years, we all worked for the Bureau of Land Management, we do not hate them, we care about them, compassion is the Key!

YES WE DO WEEP!

 

[Triumph1300]

We do not hate them, we care about them, compassion is the Key!

Of course.
But compassion does not mean the lifestyle is ok.
Compassion is giving them the Gospel and all that's connected with it.

 

[kit]

personally i would be wondering if "homosexual Christian" doesn't really equal someone who professes belief yet ignores every other Scriptural edict, uses dollars as if they were money, owes a large debt to some bank, Judges Muslims as somehow inferior, and/or believes that Jesus came to take them to a place called "heaven"--only after they have died of course--as long as they "believe" the correct things strongly enough. Stuff like that.

Spiritual Homosexuals iow.

nice imo; as above, so below

so homosexuality is perceived as the problem, when it is much more likely a symptom

Yeah, I thought that "Homosexual Christian" was the question raised in OP and couldnt think of a better word for what I thought we were discussing, lol. I would have the same questions/conclusions. I dont know about other churches but if I had to turn away from every 'Christian In Name Only, Sunday service pot lucks would be a lonely thing, sadly.

For the second point, yeah I think you are stating what I was thinking in a good way. Perhaps a symptom.

 

[kit]

No it's not.
Sin is sin.
Repentance is repentance.

Thats what I thought I was saying with "they need to be committed to Christianity."
Whats complicated is that this doesnt mean the urges go away. If they repent, the rest is with God and the Spirit, no? And we all carry on supporting one another in all our struggles?

 

[Truth7t7]

I struggled to find a phrase to discuss someone who identifies as Christian and is same sex attracted. I took a few runs at it and eventually had to move on. I dont disagree that someone happily acting on desires cannot be said to be pursuing their faith. I also agree about leadership and flags. I disagree that one who has same sex attraction needs to be cast away just for having those urges. But they do need to be committed to Christianity, imo. Not claiming to have any answers on that last point. I think its very complicated.

I can agree to have homosexual attraction is not a sin, to think and poder in lust of the same sex is sin, however it is unnatural.

 

[Heart2Soul]

No it's not.
Sin is sin.
Repentance is repentance.

But there are believers who have strongholds, who are in bondage to things in the flesh that they struggle with daily....as Paul mentioned.....that thing I would not do I do and that thing I would do I do not....or wretched man that I am what hope is there for me.....back to the strongholds these are demons that attach themselves in our flesh....they must be bound and cast out...commanded to leave....it is something I experienced a very long time ago.....but when that demon left the I was totally free of that stronghold.....that is a very long testimony and one I rarely share except with those who are bound up in that same stronghold.
There was a special speaker attend our church one time that gave his testimony of being delivered of that sexual demon that had him bound to homosexual desires.....he said when that minister laid hands on him and told it to come out and it left that he was instantly free of any desires for men. He went back to his wife and their marriage was reconciled and restored by the Grace of God and a loving wife and now he goes all over the world delivering others of sexual demons.

 

[Coffee2018]

The OP asks if homosexuality and Christianity are compatible and orthodox and if one has studied this objectively they have to say yes.
Homosexuality was everywhere in that part of the world at that time. The only negative thing the church said about it was the excess of it by the Roman soldiers because they would gather herds of young men to have sex with.
In that time period it was viewed as being more noble and masculine for a man to have sex with another man.
The women who chose to engage in anal intercourse rather than vaginal, in order to avoid pregnancy, we're said to be going 'against nature'.

 

[Truth7t7]

But there are believers who have strongholds, who are in bondage to things in the flesh that they struggle with daily....as Paul mentioned.....that thing I would not do I do and that thing I would do I do not....or wretched man that I am what hope is there for me.....back to the strongholds these are demons that attach themselves in our flesh....they must be bound and cast out...commanded to leave....it is something I experienced a very long time ago.....but when that demon left the I was totally free of that stronghold.....that is a very long testimony and one I rarely share except with those who are bound up in that same stronghold.
There was a special speaker attend our church one time that gave his testimony of being delivered of that sexual demon that had him bound to homosexual desires.....he said when that minister laid hands on him and told it to come out and it left that he was instantly free of any desires for men. He went back to his wife and their marriage was reconciled and restored by the Grace of God and a loving wife and now he goes all over the world delivering others of sexual demons.

Amen, homosexuality, fornication, are sexual sin simple.

All Sexual Relations Are To Be Within The Confines Of Marriage, We Know Well Marriage Is Between A Man And Woman.

 

[bbyrd009]

No Such Thing As Homosexual Christian

no such thing as prophets gone a'whoring either i guess

Amen, homosexualit, fornication, are sexual sin simple.

All Sexual Relations Are To Be Within The Confines Of Marriage, We Know Well Marriage Is Between A Man And Woman.

you might come to see that our relationship with Christ is defined as a marriage also, and the terms are just being shared to hide the truth from the wise

 

[bbyrd009]

Hosea 4:12 My people consult a wooden idol, and a diviner's rod speaks to them. A spirit of prostitution leads them astray; they are unfaithful to their God.

but there's prolly no such thing as a Hebrew consulting a wooden idol either i guess.

listen to ppl who set themselves up as arbiters or oracles at your own peril imo
("listen to them, and give them a king")

see, it is these who figgered it was ok to exclude someone's partner from hospital visits bc they are "homos," and these are why you gotta walk on eggshells around gay ppl now. No one asked you to approve or disapprove of jack, right; "judge your neighbor" is strictly Christian practice, not doctrine

 

[Truth7t7]

The OP asks if homosexuality and Christianity are compatible and orthodox and if one has studied this objectively they have to say yes.
Homosexuality was everywhere in that part of the world at that time. The only negative thing the church said about it was the excess of it by the Roman soldiers because they would gather herds of young men to have sex with.
In that time period it was viewed as being more noble and masculine for a man to have sex with another man.
The women who chose to engage in anal intercourse rather than vaginal, in order to avoid pregnancy, we're said to be going 'against nature'.

Your belief is in error of biblical truth, God's word openly condemns male and female homosexuality.

You can try to bend and twist the words below, Spirit Filled believers aren't ignorant of it's truth.

"And Likewise Also"

They Both, Male & Female Burned In Lust Of The Same Sex.

Romans 1:24-32KJV
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

 

[Truth7t7]

no such thing as prophets gone a'whoring either i guess

you might come to see that our relationship with Christ is defined as a marriage also, and the terms are just being shared to hide the truth from the wise

Marriage Is Between A Male And Female, God's Law From The Beginning, You Nor Any Other Person Will Change This Historical Fact :)

Male+Female= One Flesh

Matthew 19:4-6KJV
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

 

[Coffee2018]

Your belief is in error of biblical truth, God's word openly condemns male and female homosexuality.

You can try to bend and twist the words below, Spirit Filled believers aren't ignorant of it's truth.

"And Likewise Also"

They Both, Male & Female Burned In Lust Of The Same Sex.

Romans 1:24-32KJV
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

No I am not in error Truth7t7. I am correct. I always try to mention that we should study objectively. Your post reveals that you have not.
The OP asks if homosexuality and Christianity are compatible and orthodox. I maintain that ancient history shows that the early church thought so.
One cannot appeal to Romans 1 to back their anti lgbt feelings. It does not address the issue. What Romans 1 addresses is what Plato wrote concerning lust, not attraction. They are different elements. Lust is not attraction. Plato wrote (in short) that attraction could be eliminated by removing the attraction. That a person will still be filled with lust even though what the person lusted after is removed. (Think money).
For so long we have been mistaught that Romans 1 teaches that 'against nature's was a sin from that passage. It actually is not. Any kind of birth control (condoms, pill) is also 'against nature' but just as in Romans 1 it isn't the sin, lust is.