Is smoking a sin?

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Triumph1300

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So tobacco is fine with you. Personally, I find it embarrassing to pass by a church on a Sunday morning and see Christians lighting up the moment they get outside.

I find it embarrassing to pass a church and see all the over weight fat people coming out of the building heading next door for a fast junk food luncheon.

Ah well, people, get real, look in your own backyard.....there's no end to judging others.....
 
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I find it embarrassing to pass a church and see all the over weight fat people coming out of the building heading next door for a fast junk food luncheon.

Ah well, people, get real, look in your own backyard.....there's no end to judging others.....

I find it embarrassing to pass a church and.....[fumbles in his pocket for a list of artificial shibboleths]...some women are wearing red shoes and Revelation mentions the scarlet woman and so this 'proves' that women in church should not wear......[snooze.....]....
 

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Uh, no thanks. I've been sharing the gospel and the biblical doctrine of the full divinity of Christ and His part in the Godhead with Witnesses for over 40 years. A Bible study now isn't going to change what I have already accepted as Truth.
@Backlit May God bless your continuing Biblical testimony! :)
 

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Thing is though our calling is to bring people to Christ through the gospel. If we are as addicted to the things of this world as are the people of this world, the only message we are offering them is, we are forgiven, so it doesn't matter what we do. God doesn't really have the power to change you. And anyway, being born again doesn't really mean you actually become a new creature. The mixed message we preach by our behavior contradicts the entire gospel message. It's not about being judgemental. We still welcome smokers, addicts, drinkers, and sinners of all kinds into our churches, but our message is not that Jesus accepts you as you are, and leaves you as you are. Because that's the message we are teaching by our love for the things of this world... And it's not of the Father.
 
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Thing is though our calling is to bring people to Christ through the gospel. If we are as addicted to the things of this world as are the people of this world, the only message we are offering them is, we are forgiven, so it doesn't matter what we do. God doesn't really have the power to change you. And anyway, being born again doesn't really mean you actually become a new creature. The mixed message we preach by our behavior contradicts the entire gospel message. It's not about being judgemental. We still welcome smokers, addicts, drinkers, and sinners of all kinds into our churches, but our message is not that Jesus accepts you as you are, and leaves you as you are. Because that's the message we are teaching by our love for the things of this world... And it's not of the Father.
I certainly take your point there. Some good thoughts. I guess there is a difference between occasional pastimes, etc. and being utterly dominated by them.
 

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When we used to live in Community back in the 70’s …some people lobbied that one of the members be made to leave as he smoked.
The wise minister answered …” When you can honestly show me that all backbiting and gossip is dealt with , then maybe I’ll ask him to leave …but he is only poisoning himself , but the gossipers and the backbiters are poisoning the whole community.

I said Amen to that!
 

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When we used to live in Community back in the 70’s …some people lobbied that one of the members be made to leave as he smoked.
The wise minister answered …” When you can honestly show me that all backbiting and gossip is dealt with , then maybe I’ll ask him to leave …but he is only poisoning himself , but the gossipers and the backbiters are poisoning the whole community.

I said Amen to that!
What a brilliant response xx
 

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Sorry I haven’t followed all this thread but Helen’s post brought something to mind… if our acceptance on people is based on what they outwardly do then it’s based more on the ‘ do’s and the don’ts ‘ ( rules/laws )
Smoking is an outward sign of something that has gone on within a person, like the drinker , over eater , person addicted to porn …. The Lord knows the person from the inside and when we come to faith we begin a journey of faith to change. There is Gods timing in dealing with the things in our lives that we lean on , and smoking is just that, a means to get by , cope. The journey we embark on is about becoming reliant on the Lord more and more,rather than on worldly things. The Lord deals with the props all of us have in life , but not all at once.
Jesus is concerned about the motivations behind things, the sermon on the mount reveals that it’s what is in our hearts that motivate the outward actions , and it also reveals that ALL of us are sinners if we were to look inside at what The Lord sees……
Sorry if these things have already been spoken about xxxxx
Rita
 

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So tobacco is fine with you. Personally, I find it embarrassing to pass by a church on a Sunday morning and see Christians lighting up the moment they get outside. But hey, all things are lawful so long as it's to the glory of God right?

I have never smoked so you're wrong - tobacco is not fine with me. But obviously other people are fine with it and who are we to judge? I'm fine with caffeine but lots of people aren't. I'm fine with alcohol in small amounts but again lots of people aren't. I dislike posts that point fingers.
 

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Sorry I haven’t followed all this thread but Helen’s post brought something to mind… if our acceptance on people is based on what they outwardly do then it’s based more on the ‘ do’s and the don’ts ‘ ( rules/laws )
Smoking is an outward sign of something that has gone on within a person, like the drinker , over eater , person addicted to porn …. The Lord knows the person from the inside and when we come to faith we begin a journey of faith to change. There is Gods timing in dealing with the things in our lives that we lean on , and smoking is just that, a means to get by , cope. The journey we embark on is about becoming reliant on the Lord more and more,rather than on worldly things. The Lord deals with the props all of us have in life , but not all at once.
Jesus is concerned about the motivations behind things, the sermon on the mount reveals that it’s what is in our hearts that motivate the outward actions , and it also reveals that ALL of us are sinners if we were to look inside at what The Lord sees……
Sorry if these things have already been spoken about xxxxx
Rita

Yes @Rita, We all have things that could be seen by others as sin. Some people overindulge with chocolate so I suppose there are those who would count that count as sin? There is far too much finger pointing and trying to trip people up in posts like this. We should encourage and build up not judge and discourage. If people have an addiction, whether to drugs, alcohol, cigarettes or whatever it isn't our job to look down on them and belittle them. This attitude is the co-called church at its worst.
 

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I know that JWs ban smoking but I think that is too judgmental and dictates to people.


I said nothing about JW's maam. I asked very clearly is smoking a sin. It either is or isn't. Many people believe it is, I am one of them, and several posting have believed otherwise. I do thank you for your input. You are quite correct however, Jehovah's witnesses do not allow the practice of it for our members, we recognize that it is unhealthy and by partaking of it we show a lack of respect for the sanctity of life, as well as if we expose others to it, it is a lack of love for them as well.
 

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Romans 8:1
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,

John 3:21
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God


Being a disciple of Christ is not a free ticket maam. You are expected to follow the rules and regulations set forth for Christians in the Bible.
 

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How can they be a faithful servant if they condemn those whom God does not? This to me shows a serious conflict between your leaders and the Bible itself.

I suppose that for me this comes down to either obeying your leaders, or obeying God, because they are saying contradictory things.

Much love!

Do you have an example Marks?
 

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I said nothing about JW's maam. I asked very clearly is smoking a sin. It either is or isn't. Many people believe it is, I am one of them, and several posting have believed otherwise. I do thank you for your input. You are quite correct however, Jehovah's witnesses do not allow the practice of it for our members, we recognize that it is unhealthy and by partaking of it we show a lack of respect for the sanctity of life, as well as if we expose others to it, it is a lack of love for them as well.
Lots of things are unhealthy but not sinful. I do not believe smoking is a sin.
 
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Being a disciple of Christ is not a free ticket maam. You are expected to follow the rules and regulations set forth for Christians in the Bible.
No, Christianity is NOT following rules and regulations. Christianity is about following a person - Jesus. Rules and regulations are what have been set by man.
 
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Actually, while I've quoted from the KJV as being the most accurate in my opinion, I've examined this from a number of translations and version.

The LXX shows very clearly the Jewish line of thought on that Isaiah passage.

This truth is not found only in the mistranslations of this or that Bible, rather, it is interwoven throughout the Scriptures.



There is no contradiction, but, instead of just walking away from these passages without a proper examination, let's look at the verses I've quote.

You've faulted the translation as erroneously saying something God did not intend. Be specific. What word or words do you find to be mistranslated? I mean, I've looked at this a lot, in a lot of ways, and I'm convinced. There is so much evidence, and so often passage are misrepresented.

So let's get specific. Where is the translation wrong?

Much love!


You misunderstand the verses likely because of the alteration, such as removing God's name, as well as 1600's english. You thought not robbery means Jesus didn't consider it a sin to be equal to Jehovah, rather in the 1600's people would have understood it to be exactly opposite. Does not for example or do not shortened (Doesn't/Don't) does not mean do not rather do. The Bible clearly stated that Jesus is not equal to Jehovah as I pointed out in scripture. Apparently you just refuse to accept that. So let me say it point blank, the Bible teaches Jehovah is the God and Father of Jesus. Jesus directed us to worship and serve Him exclusively at Mat 4:10. I would recommend you be obedient to his teachings sir, as knowing God and obeying the gospel is the only way to life 2 Thes 1:6-9
 

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So it's ok for non JW to smoke. Lol

Those who choose to be their own god like Adam did, choose for themselves what is good and bad sir. I believe you are familiar with that found at Gen 3:5. Those who have decided to serve Jehovah must obey the rules and regulations set down by Jehovah. Sometimes these are determined through His principles. For instance smoking is not specifically condemned in the Bible, yet we know that it is harmful to our health, therefore we need to consider if Jehovah would consider it acceptable for His people.
 

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Here is where I'm focusing:

Philippians 2:9-11 KJV
9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Who is this "LORD", which all will confess is Jesus Christ?

What if we look at the source of the quotation?

Isaiah 45:18-24 KJV (God's Name restored)
18) For thus saith YHWH that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am YHWH; and there is none else.
19) I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I YHWH speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.
20) Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.
21) Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I YHWH? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22) Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23) I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
24) Surely, shall one say, in YHWH have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

Who then is this Lord?

Who is our Savior, there is only one!

Acts 4:10-12 KJV
10) Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11) This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

There is only One Savior, Jesus Christ, YHWH.

Here, Paul cites the OT passage that all will kneel to YHWH, and in the NT, identifies this as Jesus. Jesus Christ is Lord. This "Lord", is the LORD orf the OT, YHWH. Jesus Christ is YHWH.

So my question is then, do you find this mistranslated? Or should we accept it as it as written?

Much love!

You do understand that Jesus is #2 correct? Jehovah is not subject to Jesus, Jesus is subject to Him sir.