Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

[Giuliano]

Not according to the PMs I receive.
Like I said, YOU keep lying - and I'll be there to expose you . . .

How droll. . . . Have you thought about running for President?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Meanwhile in Switzerland. . . .

Basel diocese backs same-sex marriage, blessings - Novena

The Catholic diocese of Basel, the Swiss Church’s largest, has come out in support of civil marriage equality and of Church blessings for same-sex couples.

On August 30, the legal affairs committee of the Swiss National Council voted in favour of approving same-sex marriage.

That means a draft law on marriage equality is expected to come before the National Council in its next legislature.

But in the meantime, Basel diocesan spokesman Hansruedi Huber celebrated the proposals to recognise same-sex marriages.

“We welcome the proposed regulations that give homosexual partnerships a stable and reliable legal cover.

Consider your sources when posting. It will prevent you from these kinds of embarrassingly idiotic posts.

"novenanoew.com" is a renegade pseudo-Catholic site that promotes, among other things - the radical homosexual agenda. A quick search of articles on their site should have led you to this conclusion.
For instance - the article titled "US women priests look to “touch souls and fire spirits” in Ireland:
Ther are NO women priests within the legitimate Catholic Church.

Fro crying out loud - do your HOMEWORK . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

How droll. . . . Have you thought about running for President?

Have YOU ever thought about doing your homework for change??

 

[Giuliano]

Consider your sources when posting. It will prevent you from these kinds of embarrassingly idiotic posts.

"novenanoew.com" is a renegade pseudo-Catholic site that promotes, among other things - the radical homosexual agenda. A quick search of articles on their site should have led you to this conclusion.
For instance - the article titled "US women priests look to “touch souls and fire spirits” in Ireland:
Ther are NO women priests within the legitimate Catholic Church.

Fro crying out loud - do your HOMEWORK . . .

No wonder you're stuck in a rut. You never want to read anything unless it agrees with you. For crying out loud, Catholic sites are covering it too.

German Bishops Reject ‘Priority of Evangelization’ Plan in Synodal Path

Sources close to the German bishops’ conference told CNA that there was concern among several bishops that creating a venue to vote against Church teaching could create “unrealistic expectations” for change and even “sow the seeds of dissent between the particular and universal Church.”

But despite the warning from the Pope and the proposal of a Francis-inspired synodal response, the draft plan approved by the German bishops, expected to be published soon, listed four key areas for the synodal fora to consider and propose resolutions on: “authority and separation of powers” in the Church; teaching on “sexual morality”; clerical discipline and “the priestly mode of life”; and “women at the service of ecclesiastical offices” in the Church.

The ZdK, whose members make up a significant portion of the proposed assembly, have already published the names of participants in each of the for a, and their work began even before the Aug. 19 meeting. In each case, the ZdK members have a public record opposing settled Church teaching and discipline, including “demanding” women’s ordination and calling for a “radical break” with the Church’s teaching on sexual morality to incorporate new clinical and academic conclusions.

Public statements from the ZdK leadership underscored that the participation of the group in the synodal process was conditional on “the openness of the deliberations and the bindingness of the resolutions” being “guaranteed” by the German bishops, and the constitution of the Synodal Assembly in the Cardinal Marx plan has raised concerns that the group’s deliberations could trigger a break with universal Church teaching, despite the Pope’s warnings.

Cardinal Burke, Bishop Schneider Announce Crusade of Prayer and Fasting

Cardinal Raymond Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider have issued an eight-page declaration warning against six “serious theological errors and heresies” they say are contained in the Amazonian Synod working document, and calling for prayer and fasting to prevent them being approved.
. . . .
The American cardinal and Kazakh bishop write that they believe it is “their duty to make the faithful aware” of six “principal” errors “being spread through the instrumentum laboris.”

The first they list is “implicit pantheism” — the identification of God with the universe and nature where God and the world are one — which they say is rejected by the Magisterium.

Secondly, they criticize the notion put forward in the working document that pagan superstitions are “sources of Divine Revelation and alternative pathways for salvation.” This implies Amazon tribes have pagan superstitions that are an “expression of divine Revelation,” deserving of “dialogue and acceptance” by the Church, they argue.

Citing Church documents, the two prelates state the Magisterium rejects such “relativization” of God’s revelation, and instead “affirms that there is one unique Savior, Jesus Christ, and the Church is His unique Mystical Body and Bride.”

Thirdly, they cite as erroneous the theory contained in the document that “aboriginal people have already received divine revelation, and that the Catholic Church in the Amazon should undergo a ‘missionary and pastoral conversion.’” The Magisterium rejects such a notion of missionary activity as “merely intercultural enrichment,” they argue, and that inculturation is primarily about “evangelization” that makes the Church a “more effective instrument of mission.”

Fourthly, they criticize the working document for its support of “tailoring Catholic ordained ministries to the ancestral customs of the aboriginal people, granting official ministries to women and ordaining married leaders of the community as second-class priests, deprived of part of their ministerial powers but able to perform shamanic rituals.”

“The Magisterium of the Church rejects such practices, and their implicit opinions,” the prelates state, and draw on a number of Church documents including Pope St. Paul VI encyclical Sacerdotalis Coelibatus and Pope St. John Paul II’s apostolic letter Ordiniatio Sacerdotalis, to underline their point.

What's Cardinal Burke upset about about pagan superstitions for? Just take them and call them Catholic! It's been done before.

 

[Giuliano]

For instance - the article titled "US women priests look to “touch souls and fire spirits” in Ireland:
Ther are NO women priests within the legitimate Catholic Church.

Fro crying out loud - do your HOMEWORK . . .

Why don't you do your homework to avoid looking idiotic yourself? The article says the Vatican considers them excommunicated. That sounds like accurate reporting to me.

US women priests look to "touch souls and fire spirits" in Ireland - Novena

The Association of Roman Catholic Women Priests is presently active in 13 countries – including in Latin America and Europe – and in 34 of the states in the US.

Meehan said theirs is a “renewed model” of Church, “and we believe it’s really more in line with the model that Jesus had because his table was always open to everyone”.

The Vatican doesn’t see it like that, though, and considers the women excommunicated, in line with its long-standing ban on women priests.

But that hasn’t stopped Meehan and her sisters in the faith.

“There were Catholics who were ready. They were sick and tired of the exclusivity of the institution”, she said of the congregation she set up in Florida soon after being ordained in 2006.

What you may not be "getting" is that many people who used to be "obedient" Catholics are now demanding change.

 

[Giuliano]

Have YOU ever thought about doing your homework for change??

Part of my homework could be to post things to you so you get tons of PMs in your mailbox congratulating you for exposing lies.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No wonder you're stuck in a rut. You never want to read anything unless it agrees with you. For crying out loud, Catholic sites are covering it too.

German Bishops Reject ‘Priority of Evangelization’ Plan in Synodal Path

Sources close to the German bishops’ conference told CNA that there was concern among several bishops that creating a venue to vote against Church teaching could create “unrealistic expectations” for change and even “sow the seeds of dissent between the particular and universal Church.”

But despite the warning from the Pope and the proposal of a Francis-inspired synodal response, the draft plan approved by the German bishops, expected to be published soon, listed four key areas for the synodal fora to consider and propose resolutions on: “authority and separation of powers” in the Church; teaching on “sexual morality”; clerical discipline and “the priestly mode of life”; and “women at the service of ecclesiastical offices” in the Church.

The ZdK, whose members make up a significant portion of the proposed assembly, have already published the names of participants in each of the for a, and their work began even before the Aug. 19 meeting. In each case, the ZdK members have a public record opposing settled Church teaching and discipline, including “demanding” women’s ordination and calling for a “radical break” with the Church’s teaching on sexual morality to incorporate new clinical and academic conclusions.

Public statements from the ZdK leadership underscored that the participation of the group in the synodal process was conditional on “the openness of the deliberations and the bindingness of the resolutions” being “guaranteed” by the German bishops, and the constitution of the Synodal Assembly in the Cardinal Marx plan has raised concerns that the group’s deliberations could trigger a break with universal Church teaching, despite the Pope’s warnings.

Cardinal Burke, Bishop Schneider Announce Crusade of Prayer and Fasting

Cardinal Raymond Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider have issued an eight-page declaration warning against six “serious theological errors and heresies” they say are contained in the Amazonian Synod working document, and calling for prayer and fasting to prevent them being approved.
. . . .
The American cardinal and Kazakh bishop write that they believe it is “their duty to make the faithful aware” of six “principal” errors “being spread through the instrumentum laboris.”

The first they list is “implicit pantheism” — the identification of God with the universe and nature where God and the world are one — which they say is rejected by the Magisterium.

Secondly, they criticize the notion put forward in the working document that pagan superstitions are “sources of Divine Revelation and alternative pathways for salvation.” This implies Amazon tribes have pagan superstitions that are an “expression of divine Revelation,” deserving of “dialogue and acceptance” by the Church, they argue.

Citing Church documents, the two prelates state the Magisterium rejects such “relativization” of God’s revelation, and instead “affirms that there is one unique Savior, Jesus Christ, and the Church is His unique Mystical Body and Bride.”

Thirdly, they cite as erroneous the theory contained in the document that “aboriginal people have already received divine revelation, and that the Catholic Church in the Amazon should undergo a ‘missionary and pastoral conversion.’” The Magisterium rejects such a notion of missionary activity as “merely intercultural enrichment,” they argue, and that inculturation is primarily about “evangelization” that makes the Church a “more effective instrument of mission.”

Fourthly, they criticize the working document for its support of “tailoring Catholic ordained ministries to the ancestral customs of the aboriginal people, granting official ministries to women and ordaining married leaders of the community as second-class priests, deprived of part of their ministerial powers but able to perform shamanic rituals.”

“The Magisterium of the Church rejects such practices, and their implicit opinions,” the prelates state, and draw on a number of Church documents including Pope St. Paul VI encyclical Sacerdotalis Coelibatus and Pope St. John Paul II’s apostolic letter Ordiniatio Sacerdotalis, to underline their point.

What's Cardinal Burke upset about about pagan superstitions for? Just take them and call them Catholic! It's been done before.

Moving the goalposts again, I see,
This article and the last one you presented are on DIFFERENT subjects.

Why would you say, "Catholic sites are covering it too"??
It's not the same subject . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Part of my homework could be to post things to you so you get tons of PMs in your mailbox congratulating you for exposing lies.

I don't doubt for a second that you post lies on purpose.
That's what dishonest people DO . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Why don't you do your homework to avoid looking idiotic yourself? The article says the Vatican considers them excommunicated. That sounds like accurate reporting to me.

US women priests look to "touch souls and fire spirits" in Ireland - Novena

The Association of Roman Catholic Women Priests is presently active in 13 countries – including in Latin America and Europe – and in 34 of the states in the US.

Meehan said theirs is a “renewed model” of Church, “and we believe it’s really more in line with the model that Jesus had because his table was always open to everyone”.

The Vatican doesn’t see it like that, though, and considers the women excommunicated, in line with its long-standing ban on women priests.

But that hasn’t stopped Meehan and her sisters in the faith.

“There were Catholics who were ready. They were sick and tired of the exclusivity of the institution”, she said of the congregation she set up in Florida soon after being ordained in 2006.

What you may not be "getting" is that many people who used to be "obedient" Catholics are now demanding change.

Of COURSE they would be de facto excommunicated. There is NO such thing as a female Catholic priest.
That's why I referred to them as "Pseudo-Catholic", Einstein . . .

 

[GodsGrace]

I'm not completely sure; but this story may be what was being referred to.

Pope Francis’s Divorce & Remarriage Communion Guidelines | National Review

In September 2016, the pope sent a private letter to bishops in Buenos Aires to clarify his teachings on the issue, which he had expressed in his apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia. Now, the pope declared this letter to be his “authentic magisterium,” which means it is one of his official teachings.

The pope’s letter approved of the guidelines formulated by Argentine bishops in Buenos Aires on how Communion for divorced and remarried Catholics should be handled. The guidelines assert that, in certain circumstances, a person who is divorced and remarried and is living in an active sexual partnership might not be responsible or culpable for the mortal sin of adultery, “particularly when a person judges that he would fall into a subsequent fault by damaging the children of the new union.” The guidelines add that “Amoris Laetitia opens up the possibility of access to the sacraments of Reconciliation and the Eucharist.”

This caused confusion among some Catholics, who saw the statements as violating Canon 915 in the Code of Canon Law, which forbids anyone whose soul is in a state of mortal sin from receiving the Eucharist. According to the Council of Trent, a marriage cannot be dissolved by a civil divorce. Therefore, if one gets divorced and then engages in sexual activity in a second marriage, he or she is committing adultery. While true repentance through confession can absolve this sin, one cannot have true repentance if one intends to continue sexual activity in this remarriage.

Not only is the above true...but chapter 8 of Am. Lat. has a footnote -- the famous footnote --- that actually allows remarrieds to receive communion if their pastor agrees...which they should of course, unless the married couple is murdering people or doing some other grave sin.

Of course, traditional catholics refuse to accept this as a change in doctrine but see it as a change in discipline, which can be changed.

Discipline would be, for instance, that one can eat till 1 hour before communion instead of 12 hours before communion. This would not be a matter of morals or faith.

I'd say that receiving communion in a state of mortal sin IS a change in morals or faith.
I think I posted a link for you on this....

 

[GodsGrace]

Thank you.

You have stated your opinion. You did not provide any evidence to back up your opinion that that The Church changed their doctrine on this matter sooooo I don't know what to say.

Mary

I'm surprised you need links...but OK,,,here are two:

https://testeverythingblog.com/ques...emarriage-in-the-catholic-church-b31dda8e61df

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Examples of doctrines of this second category are, by historical necessity: the legitimacy of the election of a pope, the celebration of an ecumenical council, the canonizations of saints, and Leo XIII’s declaration, in Apostolicae Curae, of the invalidity of Anglican orders; by logical necessity: the primacy and infallibility of the Roman Pontiff as it was known before its definition at Vatican I, the moral teachings on the illicitness of prostitution and fornication, and the doctrine of a male-only priesthood.

source: The Three Levels of Magisterial Teaching

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Don't you and BoL know what's going on in your own church??

 

[Marymog]

I'm not completely sure; but this story may be what was being referred to.

Pope Francis’s Divorce & Remarriage Communion Guidelines | National Review

In September 2016, the pope sent a private letter to bishops in Buenos Aires to clarify his teachings on the issue, which he had expressed in his apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia. Now, the pope declared this letter to be his “authentic magisterium,” which means it is one of his official teachings.

The pope’s letter approved of the guidelines formulated by Argentine bishops in Buenos Aires on how Communion for divorced and remarried Catholics should be handled. The guidelines assert that, in certain circumstances, a person who is divorced and remarried and is living in an active sexual partnership might not be responsible or culpable for the mortal sin of adultery, “particularly when a person judges that he would fall into a subsequent fault by damaging the children of the new union.” The guidelines add that “Amoris Laetitia opens up the possibility of access to the sacraments of Reconciliation and the Eucharist.”

This caused confusion among some Catholics, who saw the statements as violating Canon 915 in the Code of Canon Law, which forbids anyone whose soul is in a state of mortal sin from receiving the Eucharist. According to the Council of Trent, a marriage cannot be dissolved by a civil divorce. Therefore, if one gets divorced and then engages in sexual activity in a second marriage, he or she is committing adultery. While true repentance through confession can absolve this sin, one cannot have true repentance if one intends to continue sexual activity in this remarriage.

Hmmmm.....an article from a reporter at the National Review that the Pope is giving new guidelines is evidence that the Church has changed it's doctrine????

You did not help @GodsGrace with your "evidence"....wanna try again?

 

[GodsGrace]

Hmmmm.....an article from a reporter at the National Review that the Pope is giving new guidelines is evidence that the Church has changed it's doctrine????

You did not help @GodsGrace with your "evidence"....wanna try again?

I don't need anybody's help with evidence MM.
I was very active in the catholic church during all this and I happen to know everything on my own.

 

[Marymog]

I'm surprised you need links...but OK,,,here are two:

Question of Communion: Divorce & Remarriage in the Catholic Church

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Examples of doctrines of this second category are, by historical necessity: the legitimacy of the election of a pope, the celebration of an ecumenical council, the canonizations of saints, and Leo XIII’s declaration, in Apostolicae Curae, of the invalidity of Anglican orders; by logical necessity: the primacy and infallibility of the Roman Pontiff as it was known before its definition at Vatican I, the moral teachings on the illicitness of prostitution and fornication, and the doctrine of a male-only priesthood.

source: The Three Levels of Magisterial Teaching

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Don't you and BoL know what's going on in your own church??

I am still waiting for your evidence that The Church changed their doctrine on this matter (Receiving communion in the state of on-going mortal sin). So far you have failed.

Patient Mary

 

[Giuliano]

Moving the goalposts again, I see,
This article and the last one you presented are on DIFFERENT subjects.

Why would you say, "Catholic sites are covering it too"??
It's not the same subject . . .

To be honest with you, I don't pay much attention to your posts. Yes, I goofed; and I can't promise to pay all that much attention to your posts in the future. So you were objecting to the story from Basel. Will Church Militant do?

Swiss Diocese Favorable Towards Same-Sex Marriage

The diocese of Basel, Switzerland, has expressed approval for political efforts to legalize so-called same-sex marriages in the country for the good of children being raised by homosexual partners.

Hansruedi Huber, the director of communications for the diocese of Basel, recently expressed the diocese's welcome of proposed regulations that would legalize so-called same-sex marriage and distinguished between Church blessings and Church weddings: "We welcome the proposed regulations that give homosexual partnerships a stable and reliable legal coverage. It is important to us that children who grow up in same-sex partnerships receive a legal framework that serves the best interests of the child."

Huber expressed the diocese's willingness to bless such unions based on a distinction between a wedding and a blessing: "These must differ in content and form from the church wedding." He did not elaborate on the details of that difference.

Is CNS too radical for you? Swiss Catholic Diocese Welcomes Gay Civil 'Marriage' and Church Blessing for Gay Couples

Although the Catholic Church teaches that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered" and cannot be approved under any circumstances, the Catholic Diocese of Basel, Switzerland has announced that it welcomes the new same-sex civil "marriage" plan the country is adopting.

Further, the diocese said it is certianly willing to bless such "marriages" in a special ceremony, but not perform homosexual weddings.

"We welcome the proposed regulations that give homosexual partnerships a stable and reliable legal coverage," said Hansruedi Huber, communications director for the diocese, as reported by ChurchMilitant.com. "It is important to us that children who grow up in same-sex partnerships receive a legal framework that serves the best interests of the child."

The Catholic Church also does not support gay couples adopting children, arguing that a child has a natural right to a mother and a father.

As for the blessings, Huber said, "These must differ in content and form from the church wedding."

Markus Burri, a deacon in the Basel diocese, said, "Basically, I am convinced that there is nothing wrong with blessing people on their own life path. However, I do not know what the practice looks like with individual pastors."

Swiss diocese officially applauds govt’s efforts to legalize same-sex ‘marriage’

September 11, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) — The Catholic diocese of Basel has applauded current initiatives in Switzerland to legalize same-sex civil “marriage.” Official spokesman Hansruedi Huber was quoted on August 30 by the Luzerner Zeitung as saying the diocese supports the efforts of the Swiss National Council in that direction. Huber also made clear, according to the press article, that the diocese is not opposed to a form of blessing for same-sex relationships.

Huber’s words were a reaction to the debate presently dividing Swiss society after the Swiss National Council’s legal commission’s February decision approving the possibility of a same-sex civil “marriage” law by 19 votes to 4. On that same August 30, the legal commission approved same-sex “marriage,” rejecting by a single vote, however, aims to allow lesbian couples to obtain sperm donation. The draft law is expected to be examined by the Swiss Parliament during its next term. Reformed church leaders will meet in November to discuss the issue and remain divided, although the Swiss Protestant Churches Federation’s president has shown himself clearly in favor of the new law.

Now a part of the Catholic Church in Switzerland also appears to be leaning more and more heavily in that direction.

“We welcome the planned regulations that provide homosexual partnerships with stable and reliable legal security. It is important to us that children who grow up in same-sex partnerships are given a legal framework that serves the welfare of the child,” Hansruedi Huber of the diocese of Basel was quoted as saying.

At present, Switzerland already recognizes same-sex civil partnerships with legal, fiscal, and patrimonial rights that guarantee same-sex couples a status almost equivalent to civil marriage itself, apart from filiation rights. Registered partnerships do not allow for adoption. Present efforts to go a step farther would include legislating on filiation rights, so what is Huber actually “welcoming” if not a push to make “homo-parenting” legal?

The Luzerner Zeitung article does not speak of possible reservations Huber may have expressed regarding same-sex parenting itself. In the present media context, it would probably have quoted them and offered comments. Instead, it shows a high-ranking Catholic representative of the largest diocese of Switzerland as sympathetic to homosexual couples with children.

Huber is even quoted as having merely answered, when questioned about the diocese’s judgment on special blessings for same-sex couples: “These must differ in content and form from the church wedding.”

This was apparently not quite enough for the Luzerner Zeitung, which concluded its story with the remark, “how big this difference should be is obviously not clearly regulated.” It added: “When a parish priest in Uri blessed a lesbian couple in 2014 — with rings and witnesses — he was asked by the then bishop of Chur to resign. The Council of Churches and large parts of the parish gave the parish priest their unconditional backing. After the priest had promised the bishop to refrain from such blessings, he was able to keep his position.”

But the diocese of Basel’s support for the LGBT cause in general is clear enough. New Ways Ministry, the LGBT-friendly purportedly “faithful Catholic” pressure group that in its own words “educates and advocates for justice and equality for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) Catholics, and reconciliation within the larger church and civil communities,” was quick to report on Huber’s declarations under the title: “Largest Swiss Diocese Endorses Civil Marriage Equality, Blessings for Same-Gender Couples.”

New Ways applauded the statements as “the latest step in the German-speaking church’s ongoing progress towards LGBTQ equality.” It also recalled that Bishop Felix Gmür, who heads the diocese, said last April that while a clear difference between sacramental marriage and same-sex partnerships should be preserved, it is a task for the universal church “to find meanings for these relationships as well.”

Felix Gmür, who was ordained a bishop in 2010, has become well known in gay activist circles for publicly setting up “Rainbow Pastoral Care” in his diocese in 2017. The Regenbogenpastoral’s presentation on the Basel diocese official website makes clear that the initiative wishes to respond to Pope Francis’ calls against “discrimination”:

Pope Francis has repeatedly spoken out against discrimination against people with a different sexual orientation. The diocese of Basel wants to improve its pastoral care for these people. The Rainbow Pastoral Working Group, founded by Bishop Felix Gmür in 2016, came into being on request and in cooperation with committed lesbians, gays, bisexuals, trans*persons and intersexuals (LSBTI). This working group wants to better understand the reality of life of LSBTI people, create places of ecclesial encounter and accompany LSBTI people with their relatives in a spiritual way according to their needs. The working group also advises Bishop Felix in the area of rainbow pastoral care.

 

[Giuliano]

Hmmmm.....an article from a reporter at the National Review that the Pope is giving new guidelines is evidence that the Church has changed it's doctrine????

You did not help @GodsGrace with your "evidence"....wanna try again?

We all know that the more things change in the Catholic Church, the louder they say nothing's ever changed.

 

[Giuliano]

Of COURSE they would be de facto excommunicated. There is NO such thing as a female Catholic priest.
That's why I referred to them as "Pseudo-Catholic", Einstein . . .

Then why complain about that news site when it reported that they were considered excommunicated. Your problem seems to be you think only Catholics can tell the truth. Oh boy, do you have a problem!

 

[GodsGrace]

I am still waiting for your evidence that The Church changed their doctrine on this matter (Receiving communion in the state of on-going mortal sin). So far you have failed.

Patient Mary

What?
Pope Francis has written, black on white, in Amores Laetitia that remarrieds could receive communion.

I have to PROVE THIS TO YOU???!!!


FROM AMORES LAETITIA
Paragraph 305 refers to those in “irregular” situations – a term often used to refer to the divorced and remarried – and says: “Because of forms of conditioning and mitigating factors, it is possible that in an objective situation of sin – which may not be subjectively culpable, or fully such – a person can be living in God’s grace, can love and can also grow in the life of grace and charity, while receiving the Church’s help to this end.”

A footnote (f351) adds: “In certain cases, this can include the help of the sacraments. Hence, ‘I want to remind priests that the confessional must not be a torture chamber, but rather an encounter with the Lord’s mercy’ (Apostolic Exhortation Evangelii Gaudium [24 November 2013], 44: AAS 105 [2013], 1038). I would also point out that the Eucharist ‘is not a prize for the perfect, but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak.’”

Pope St John Paul II’s 1984 exhortation Familiaris Consortio said that remarried people should not receive communion unless they live “in complete continence”. It says that this is based on tradition going back to Scripture: “the Church reaffirms her practice, which is based upon Sacred Scripture, of not admitting to Eucharistic Communion divorced persons who have remarried”.

source: Amoris Laetitia footnote contradicts Church’s tradition, says leading German philosopher | Catholic Herald

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You must surely remember the Pope's famous phone call to a woman in Argentina telling her she could receive communion although she was divorced and remarried outside the church.

(ANSA) - Buenos Aires, April 23 - An Argentine woman received a telephone call from Pope Francis, who told her "there was nothing wrong" with receiving Holy Communion after divorce, Argentine media reported Wednesday.
The former archbishop of Buenos Aires, who is known for responding to letters via personal calls, reportedly telephoned Jacqueline Lisboa after receiving her letter which expressed dismay at not being able to receive Communion following her marriage to a divorced man.

source: 'Pope says nothing wrong with Communion after divorce'

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There was much to do about this...I'm surprised you don't remember.

 

[Marymog]

What?
Pope Francis has written, black on white, in Amores Laetitia that remarrieds could receive communion.

I have to PROVE THIS TO YOU???!!!


FROM AMORES LAETITIA
Paragraph 305 refers to those in “irregular” situations – a term often used to refer to the divorced and remarried – and says: “Because of forms of conditioning and mitigating factors, it is possible that in an objective situation of sin – which may not be subjectively culpable, or fully such – a person can be living in God’s grace, can love and can also grow in the life of grace and charity, while receiving the Church’s help to this end.”

A footnote (f351) adds: “In certain cases, this can include the help of the sacraments. Hence, ‘I want to remind priests that the confessional must not be a torture chamber, but rather an encounter with the Lord’s mercy’ (Apostolic Exhortation Evangelii Gaudium [24 November 2013], 44: AAS 105 [2013], 1038). I would also point out that the Eucharist ‘is not a prize for the perfect, but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak.’”

Pope St John Paul II’s 1984 exhortation Familiaris Consortio said that remarried people should not receive communion unless they live “in complete continence”. It says that this is based on tradition going back to Scripture: “the Church reaffirms her practice, which is based upon Sacred Scripture, of not admitting to Eucharistic Communion divorced persons who have remarried”.

source: Amoris Laetitia footnote contradicts Church’s tradition, says leading German philosopher | Catholic Herald

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You must surely remember the Pope's famous phone call to a woman in Argentina telling her she could receive communion although she was divorced and remarried outside the church.

(ANSA) - Buenos Aires, April 23 - An Argentine woman received a telephone call from Pope Francis, who told her "there was nothing wrong" with receiving Holy Communion after divorce, Argentine media reported Wednesday.
The former archbishop of Buenos Aires, who is known for responding to letters via personal calls, reportedly telephoned Jacqueline Lisboa after receiving her letter which expressed dismay at not being able to receive Communion following her marriage to a divorced man.

source: 'Pope says nothing wrong with Communion after divorce'

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There was much to do about this...I'm surprised you don't remember.

WOW....a leading German philosopher said it's true sooooo it must be true??? GG.....I know your smarter than that....

Read this to help you better understand: https://catholicinsight.com/amoris-laetitia-mortal-and-grave-sin/

Here is a summary if you don't feel like reading that link:
Francis made a pastoral and prudential judgment to change the practice of the Church that in the past absolutely, and in every situation, forbade any Catholic who had divorced and remarried outside the Church to receive Holy Communion. No exceptions. But in so doing he made very clear he was not and is not changing a single doctrine of Catholic Faith. In fact, he did not even change a single law of the Church, notwithstanding all of the accusations to the contrary.

The Pope was quite simply applying what is a commonly held teaching of the magisterium—everyone who commits an objectively grave sin is not necessarily culpable of mortal sin—to the particular situation of people who have divorced and remarried without having received an annulment.

It is indeed the perennial teaching of the Church that In order to commit a mortal sin, one must:

1. Commit an act that is objectively grave.
2. Have knowledge that what he is about to commit is, in fact, a grave sin.
3. Freely engage his will in carrying out that gravely immoral act.

BTW......A phone call to a woman in Argentina does not change church doctrine AND you should go to the source (Vatican.com) for your information....not a biased newspaper article.

Mary

 

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WOW....a leading German philosopher said it's true sooooo it must be true??? GG.....I know your smarter than that....

Read this to help you better understand: Amoris Laetitia, Mortal and Grave Sin « Catholic Insight

Here is a summary if you don't feel like reading that link:
Francis made a pastoral and prudential judgment to change the practice of the Church that in the past absolutely, and in every situation, forbade any Catholic who had divorced and remarried outside the Church to receive Holy Communion. No exceptions. But in so doing he made very clear he was not and is not changing a single doctrine of Catholic Faith. In fact, he did not even change a single law of the Church, notwithstanding all of the accusations to the contrary.

The Pope was quite simply applying what is a commonly held teaching of the magisterium—everyone who commits an objectively grave sin is not necessarily culpable of mortal sin—to the particular situation of people who have divorced and remarried without having received an annulment.

It is indeed the perennial teaching of the Church that In order to commit a mortal sin, one must:

1. Commit an act that is objectively grave.
2. Have knowledge that what he is about to commit is, in fact, a grave sin.
3. Freely engage his will in carrying out that gravely immoral act.

BTW......A phone call to a woman in Argentina does not change church doctrine AND you should go to the source (Vatican.com) for your information....not a biased newspaper article.

Mary

Funny that you try to teach me what a mortal sin is.

But let's go thru it: CAPS ARE MY WORDS.
To commit a mortal sin 3 conditions are necessary:

1. Commit an act that is objectively grave.
FORNICATION IS OBJECTIVELY GRAVE.
SEX OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE IS A MORTAL SIN AS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHES.
IF A PERSON IS IN A SEXUAL SITUATION AND DOES NOT PLAN ON CHANGING...HE CANNOT EVEN BE FORGIVEN OF IT.


2. Have knowledge that what he is about to commit is a grave sin.
IS THERE A CATHOLIC PERSON THAT DOES NOT KNOW THE PRE-MARITAL SEX IS A SIN? DO YOU WONDER HOW MANY TIMES A PRIEST HEARS THIS IN CONFESSION?
DO YOU DOUBT THAT PRE-CANA DOES NOT TEACH THIS?
DO YOU DOUBT THAT COUPLES ABOUT TO BE MARRIED TO NOT NEED CONFESSION??

3. Freely his will in carrying out that gravely immoral act.
I DO BELIEVE PEOPLE HAVE SEX BECAUSE OF THEIR FREE WILL CHOICE, UNLESS THERE IS RAPE INVOLVED.


Gosh. I hate having to talk about this.

And I will not continue....
if you think it's OK for catholic remarrieds to receive communion ... that's fine with me.

I agee with the pope that this DOCTRINE did need looking into.
Too bad Jesus does not agree with the pope.
Matthew 5:32