How droll. . . . Have you thought about running for President?Not according to the PMs I receive.
Like I said, YOU keep lying - and I'll be there to expose you . . .
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How droll. . . . Have you thought about running for President?Not according to the PMs I receive.
Like I said, YOU keep lying - and I'll be there to expose you . . .
Consider your sources when posting. It will prevent you from these kinds of embarrassingly idiotic posts.Meanwhile in Switzerland. . . .
Basel diocese backs same-sex marriage, blessings - Novena
The Catholic diocese of Basel, the Swiss Church’s largest, has come out in support of civil marriage equality and of Church blessings for same-sex couples.
On August 30, the legal affairs committee of the Swiss National Council voted in favour of approving same-sex marriage.
That means a draft law on marriage equality is expected to come before the National Council in its next legislature.
But in the meantime, Basel diocesan spokesman Hansruedi Huber celebrated the proposals to recognise same-sex marriages.
“We welcome the proposed regulations that give homosexual partnerships a stable and reliable legal cover.
Have YOU ever thought about doing your homework for change??How droll. . . . Have you thought about running for President?
No wonder you're stuck in a rut. You never want to read anything unless it agrees with you. For crying out loud, Catholic sites are covering it too.Consider your sources when posting. It will prevent you from these kinds of embarrassingly idiotic posts.
"novenanoew.com" is a renegade pseudo-Catholic site that promotes, among other things - the radical homosexual agenda. A quick search of articles on their site should have led you to this conclusion.
For instance - the article titled "US women priests look to “touch souls and fire spirits” in Ireland:
Ther are NO women priests within the legitimate Catholic Church.
Fro crying out loud - do your HOMEWORK . . .
Why don't you do your homework to avoid looking idiotic yourself? The article says the Vatican considers them excommunicated. That sounds like accurate reporting to me.For instance - the article titled "US women priests look to “touch souls and fire spirits” in Ireland:
Ther are NO women priests within the legitimate Catholic Church.
Fro crying out loud - do your HOMEWORK . . .
Part of my homework could be to post things to you so you get tons of PMs in your mailbox congratulating you for exposing lies.Have YOU ever thought about doing your homework for change??
Moving the goalposts again, I see,No wonder you're stuck in a rut. You never want to read anything unless it agrees with you. For crying out loud, Catholic sites are covering it too.
German Bishops Reject ‘Priority of Evangelization’ Plan in Synodal Path
Sources close to the German bishops’ conference told CNA that there was concern among several bishops that creating a venue to vote against Church teaching could create “unrealistic expectations” for change and even “sow the seeds of dissent between the particular and universal Church.”
But despite the warning from the Pope and the proposal of a Francis-inspired synodal response, the draft plan approved by the German bishops, expected to be published soon, listed four key areas for the synodal fora to consider and propose resolutions on: “authority and separation of powers” in the Church; teaching on “sexual morality”; clerical discipline and “the priestly mode of life”; and “women at the service of ecclesiastical offices” in the Church.
The ZdK, whose members make up a significant portion of the proposed assembly, have already published the names of participants in each of the for a, and their work began even before the Aug. 19 meeting. In each case, the ZdK members have a public record opposing settled Church teaching and discipline, including “demanding” women’s ordination and calling for a “radical break” with the Church’s teaching on sexual morality to incorporate new clinical and academic conclusions.
Public statements from the ZdK leadership underscored that the participation of the group in the synodal process was conditional on “the openness of the deliberations and the bindingness of the resolutions” being “guaranteed” by the German bishops, and the constitution of the Synodal Assembly in the Cardinal Marx plan has raised concerns that the group’s deliberations could trigger a break with universal Church teaching, despite the Pope’s warnings.
Cardinal Burke, Bishop Schneider Announce Crusade of Prayer and Fasting
Cardinal Raymond Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider have issued an eight-page declaration warning against six “serious theological errors and heresies” they say are contained in the Amazonian Synod working document, and calling for prayer and fasting to prevent them being approved.
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The American cardinal and Kazakh bishop write that they believe it is “their duty to make the faithful aware” of six “principal” errors “being spread through the instrumentum laboris.”
The first they list is “implicit pantheism” — the identification of God with the universe and nature where God and the world are one — which they say is rejected by the Magisterium.
Secondly, they criticize the notion put forward in the working document that pagan superstitions are “sources of Divine Revelation and alternative pathways for salvation.” This implies Amazon tribes have pagan superstitions that are an “expression of divine Revelation,” deserving of “dialogue and acceptance” by the Church, they argue.
Citing Church documents, the two prelates state the Magisterium rejects such “relativization” of God’s revelation, and instead “affirms that there is one unique Savior, Jesus Christ, and the Church is His unique Mystical Body and Bride.”
Thirdly, they cite as erroneous the theory contained in the document that “aboriginal people have already received divine revelation, and that the Catholic Church in the Amazon should undergo a ‘missionary and pastoral conversion.’” The Magisterium rejects such a notion of missionary activity as “merely intercultural enrichment,” they argue, and that inculturation is primarily about “evangelization” that makes the Church a “more effective instrument of mission.”
Fourthly, they criticize the working document for its support of “tailoring Catholic ordained ministries to the ancestral customs of the aboriginal people, granting official ministries to women and ordaining married leaders of the community as second-class priests, deprived of part of their ministerial powers but able to perform shamanic rituals.”
“The Magisterium of the Church rejects such practices, and their implicit opinions,” the prelates state, and draw on a number of Church documents including Pope St. Paul VI encyclical Sacerdotalis Coelibatus and Pope St. John Paul II’s apostolic letter Ordiniatio Sacerdotalis, to underline their point.
What's Cardinal Burke upset about about pagan superstitions for? Just take them and call them Catholic! It's been done before.
I don't doubt for a second that you post lies on purpose.Part of my homework could be to post things to you so you get tons of PMs in your mailbox congratulating you for exposing lies.
Of COURSE they would be de facto excommunicated. There is NO such thing as a female Catholic priest.Why don't you do your homework to avoid looking idiotic yourself? The article says the Vatican considers them excommunicated. That sounds like accurate reporting to me.
US women priests look to "touch souls and fire spirits" in Ireland - Novena
The Association of Roman Catholic Women Priests is presently active in 13 countries – including in Latin America and Europe – and in 34 of the states in the US.
Meehan said theirs is a “renewed model” of Church, “and we believe it’s really more in line with the model that Jesus had because his table was always open to everyone”.
The Vatican doesn’t see it like that, though, and considers the women excommunicated, in line with its long-standing ban on women priests.
But that hasn’t stopped Meehan and her sisters in the faith.
“There were Catholics who were ready. They were sick and tired of the exclusivity of the institution”, she said of the congregation she set up in Florida soon after being ordained in 2006.
What you may not be "getting" is that many people who used to be "obedient" Catholics are now demanding change.
Not only is the above true...but chapter 8 of Am. Lat. has a footnote -- the famous footnote --- that actually allows remarrieds to receive communion if their pastor agrees...which they should of course, unless the married couple is murdering people or doing some other grave sin.I'm not completely sure; but this story may be what was being referred to.
Pope Francis’s Divorce & Remarriage Communion Guidelines | National Review
In September 2016, the pope sent a private letter to bishops in Buenos Aires to clarify his teachings on the issue, which he had expressed in his apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia. Now, the pope declared this letter to be his “authentic magisterium,” which means it is one of his official teachings.
The pope’s letter approved of the guidelines formulated by Argentine bishops in Buenos Aires on how Communion for divorced and remarried Catholics should be handled. The guidelines assert that, in certain circumstances, a person who is divorced and remarried and is living in an active sexual partnership might not be responsible or culpable for the mortal sin of adultery, “particularly when a person judges that he would fall into a subsequent fault by damaging the children of the new union.” The guidelines add that “Amoris Laetitia opens up the possibility of access to the sacraments of Reconciliation and the Eucharist.”
This caused confusion among some Catholics, who saw the statements as violating Canon 915 in the Code of Canon Law, which forbids anyone whose soul is in a state of mortal sin from receiving the Eucharist. According to the Council of Trent, a marriage cannot be dissolved by a civil divorce. Therefore, if one gets divorced and then engages in sexual activity in a second marriage, he or she is committing adultery. While true repentance through confession can absolve this sin, one cannot have true repentance if one intends to continue sexual activity in this remarriage.
I'm surprised you need links...but OK,,,here are two:Thank you.
You have stated your opinion. You did not provide any evidence to back up your opinion that that The Church changed their doctrine on this matter sooooo I don't know what to say.
Mary
Hmmmm.....an article from a reporter at the National Review that the Pope is giving new guidelines is evidence that the Church has changed it's doctrine????I'm not completely sure; but this story may be what was being referred to.
Pope Francis’s Divorce & Remarriage Communion Guidelines | National Review
In September 2016, the pope sent a private letter to bishops in Buenos Aires to clarify his teachings on the issue, which he had expressed in his apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia. Now, the pope declared this letter to be his “authentic magisterium,” which means it is one of his official teachings.
The pope’s letter approved of the guidelines formulated by Argentine bishops in Buenos Aires on how Communion for divorced and remarried Catholics should be handled. The guidelines assert that, in certain circumstances, a person who is divorced and remarried and is living in an active sexual partnership might not be responsible or culpable for the mortal sin of adultery, “particularly when a person judges that he would fall into a subsequent fault by damaging the children of the new union.” The guidelines add that “Amoris Laetitia opens up the possibility of access to the sacraments of Reconciliation and the Eucharist.”
This caused confusion among some Catholics, who saw the statements as violating Canon 915 in the Code of Canon Law, which forbids anyone whose soul is in a state of mortal sin from receiving the Eucharist. According to the Council of Trent, a marriage cannot be dissolved by a civil divorce. Therefore, if one gets divorced and then engages in sexual activity in a second marriage, he or she is committing adultery. While true repentance through confession can absolve this sin, one cannot have true repentance if one intends to continue sexual activity in this remarriage.
I don't need anybody's help with evidence MM.Hmmmm.....an article from a reporter at the National Review that the Pope is giving new guidelines is evidence that the Church has changed it's doctrine????
You did not help @GodsGrace with your "evidence"....wanna try again?
I am still waiting for your evidence that The Church changed their doctrine on this matter (Receiving communion in the state of on-going mortal sin). So far you have failed.I'm surprised you need links...but OK,,,here are two:
Question of Communion: Divorce & Remarriage in the Catholic Church
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Examples of doctrines of this second category are, by historical necessity: the legitimacy of the election of a pope, the celebration of an ecumenical council, the canonizations of saints, and Leo XIII’s declaration, in Apostolicae Curae, of the invalidity of Anglican orders; by logical necessity: the primacy and infallibility of the Roman Pontiff as it was known before its definition at Vatican I, the moral teachings on the illicitness of prostitution and fornication, and the doctrine of a male-only priesthood.
source: The Three Levels of Magisterial Teaching
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Don't you and BoL know what's going on in your own church??
To be honest with you, I don't pay much attention to your posts. Yes, I goofed; and I can't promise to pay all that much attention to your posts in the future. So you were objecting to the story from Basel. Will Church Militant do?Moving the goalposts again, I see,
This article and the last one you presented are on DIFFERENT subjects.
Why would you say, "Catholic sites are covering it too"??
It's not the same subject . . .
We all know that the more things change in the Catholic Church, the louder they say nothing's ever changed.Hmmmm.....an article from a reporter at the National Review that the Pope is giving new guidelines is evidence that the Church has changed it's doctrine????
You did not help @GodsGrace with your "evidence"....wanna try again?
Then why complain about that news site when it reported that they were considered excommunicated. Your problem seems to be you think only Catholics can tell the truth. Oh boy, do you have a problem!Of COURSE they would be de facto excommunicated. There is NO such thing as a female Catholic priest.
That's why I referred to them as "Pseudo-Catholic", Einstein . . .
What?I am still waiting for your evidence that The Church changed their doctrine on this matter (Receiving communion in the state of on-going mortal sin). So far you have failed.
Patient Mary
What?
Pope Francis has written, black on white, in Amores Laetitia that remarrieds could receive communion.
I have to PROVE THIS TO YOU???!!!
FROM AMORES LAETITIA
Paragraph 305 refers to those in “irregular” situations – a term often used to refer to the divorced and remarried – and says: “Because of forms of conditioning and mitigating factors, it is possible that in an objective situation of sin – which may not be subjectively culpable, or fully such – a person can be living in God’s grace, can love and can also grow in the life of grace and charity, while receiving the Church’s help to this end.”
A footnote (f351) adds: “In certain cases, this can include the help of the sacraments. Hence, ‘I want to remind priests that the confessional must not be a torture chamber, but rather an encounter with the Lord’s mercy’ (Apostolic Exhortation Evangelii Gaudium [24 November 2013], 44: AAS 105 [2013], 1038). I would also point out that the Eucharist ‘is not a prize for the perfect, but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak.’”
Pope St John Paul II’s 1984 exhortation Familiaris Consortio said that remarried people should not receive communion unless they live “in complete continence”. It says that this is based on tradition going back to Scripture: “the Church reaffirms her practice, which is based upon Sacred Scripture, of not admitting to Eucharistic Communion divorced persons who have remarried”.
source: Amoris Laetitia footnote contradicts Church’s tradition, says leading German philosopher | Catholic Herald
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You must surely remember the Pope's famous phone call to a woman in Argentina telling her she could receive communion although she was divorced and remarried outside the church.
(ANSA) - Buenos Aires, April 23 - An Argentine woman received a telephone call from Pope Francis, who told her "there was nothing wrong" with receiving Holy Communion after divorce, Argentine media reported Wednesday.
The former archbishop of Buenos Aires, who is known for responding to letters via personal calls, reportedly telephoned Jacqueline Lisboa after receiving her letter which expressed dismay at not being able to receive Communion following her marriage to a divorced man.
source: 'Pope says nothing wrong with Communion after divorce'
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There was much to do about this...I'm surprised you don't remember.
Funny that you try to teach me what a mortal sin is.WOW....a leading German philosopher said it's true sooooo it must be true??? GG.....I know your smarter than that....
Read this to help you better understand: Amoris Laetitia, Mortal and Grave Sin « Catholic Insight
Here is a summary if you don't feel like reading that link:
Francis made a pastoral and prudential judgment to change the practice of the Church that in the past absolutely, and in every situation, forbade any Catholic who had divorced and remarried outside the Church to receive Holy Communion. No exceptions. But in so doing he made very clear he was not and is not changing a single doctrine of Catholic Faith. In fact, he did not even change a single law of the Church, notwithstanding all of the accusations to the contrary.
The Pope was quite simply applying what is a commonly held teaching of the magisterium—everyone who commits an objectively grave sin is not necessarily culpable of mortal sin—to the particular situation of people who have divorced and remarried without having received an annulment.
It is indeed the perennial teaching of the Church that In order to commit a mortal sin, one must:
1. Commit an act that is objectively grave.
2. Have knowledge that what he is about to commit is, in fact, a grave sin.
3. Freely engage his will in carrying out that gravely immoral act.
BTW......A phone call to a woman in Argentina does not change church doctrine AND you should go to the source (Vatican.com) for your information....not a biased newspaper article.
Mary