It is not in the bible.....sola scripture

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Oh so you threw out the truth to hold on to your doctires. cooolll
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Does this mean that you can't respond to the linguistic evidence I presented??

You're really battin' a thousand today, my linguistically-challenged friend.
Proves teh first part not teh second its all lies and inuendo.
Hmmmmm - another non-answer.
Look - if you can't debate the issue intelligently - just admit it.
 

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Yes His church not the catholic chruch why do you hate people who choose Jesus and not your religion.??
When you reject Christ's Church - you reject HIM - and the One who sent Him:


Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent me."
 

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When you reject Christ's Church - you reject HIM - and the One who sent Him:
Yes you have you love your church it is called teh "catholic" church by definition it belongs to teh catholics who created and are building it.

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Does this mean that you can't respond to the linguistic evidence I presented??

You're really battin' a thousand today, my linguistically-challenged friend
Yes this is your way of saying " i have nothing to say". Sorry they banned burning at the stake centuries ago. Remeber Joan of Arc, fought for teh catholic church, than they"burned" her at the stake. eventually nade her a saint as if that was going to undo all teh evil that was done.

Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent me."

Boy do you have a lot to learn.Here you are using scripture just as teh devil did to sell a lie.

Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

So it is Jesus and God we serve not religion and men.
 

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Yes you have you love your church it is called teh "catholic" church by definition it belongs to teh catholics who created and are building it.
Really, dude - learn to spell. This is embarrassing . . .

And, yes - I DO love Christ's Church.
Too bad YOU don't.
Yes this is your way of saying " i have nothing to say". Sorry they banned burning at the stake centuries ago. Remeber Joan of Arc, fought for teh catholic church, than they"burned" her at the stake. eventually nade her a saint as if that was going to undo all teh evil that was done.
Joan of Arc was killed by the state and the local Church authority - not by the Church at large.
Besides - what does that have to do with the random date of 325??
Boy do you have a lot to learn.Here you are using scripture just as teh devil did to sell a lie.

Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
So it is Jesus and God we serve not religion and men.
And, as I educated you earlier - Jesus chose to reveal that He and His Church are INSEPARABLE:
Acts 9:4-5

He fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?" He said, "Who are you, sir?" The reply came, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.

Notice that Jesus DOESN’T say, “Why are you persecuting the Church?” (which is EXACTLY what Paul was doing). Jesus chose to equate the church with himself.

YOU reject the Church - so you reject Christ.
 

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Manichaeism - a religion founded by Manes in the third century; a synthesis of Zoroastrian dualism between light and dark and Babylonian folklore and Buddhistethics and superficial
elements of Christianity; spread widely in the Roman Empire but had largely died out by 1000.
St. Augustine was a Manichae before converting.
Protestant Manichaeism has similar dualism. All light is in heaven and everything on this earth is dark. Anything physical is dark.
 

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so why is it believed and accepted that Mary had children other than Jesus - twinc

Sorry for the late reply, but it stood out to me the other night.

In Matthew 13:55 Jesus had 4 brothers James, Joses, Simon and Judas and sisters, but the names of the sisters aren't mentioned, but the plural form suggests he had more than 1 sister from his mother Mary.

The people in the synagogue were questioning Jesus and while they were questioning Jesus they knew who his brothers and sisters were from Mary. So that's how we can tell from the Bible, that Jesus had 4 brothers and some sisters from the same mother.
 
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Sorry for the late reply, but it stood out to me the other night.

In Matthew 13:55 Jesus had 4 brothers James, Joses, Simon and Judas and sisters, but the names of the sisters aren't mentioned, but the plural form suggests he had more than 1 sister from his mother Mary.

The people in the synagogue were questioning Jesus and while they were questioning Jesus they knew who his brothers and sisters were from Mary. So that's how we can tell from the Bible, that Jesus had 4 brothers and some sisters from the same mother.

Amen...I should have said that!! :D :) ;) :D
 
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Sorry for the late reply, but it stood out to me the other night.

In Matthew 13:55 Jesus had 4 brothers James, Joses, Simon and Judas and sisters, but the names of the sisters aren't mentioned, but the plural form suggests he had more than 1 sister from his mother Mary.

The people in the synagogue were questioning Jesus and while they were questioning Jesus they knew who his brothers and sisters were from Mary. So that's how we can tell from the Bible, that Jesus had 4 brothers and some sisters from the same mother.
Protestant reformers Luther, Calvin, and Zwingli ALL professed the Perpetual Virginity of Mary. (for documentation, see for example Mary, Mother of All Christians by Max Thurian, written while he was a Calvinist theologian).

...can you say "flip flop"? How about "Ephesians 4:14???"

Matthew 13:55 -- Jesus at Nazareth
-- carpenter’s son
-- mother named Mary
-- brothers: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas
-- sisters “with us”

Matthew 27: 55 -- The Crucifixion

“Among them were Mary Magdalene and MARY THE MOTHER OF JAMES AND JOSEPH, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee.”

This “Mary” is obviously the mother of the same James and Joseph mentioned in Matt 13:55.

Matthew 28: 1 -- The Resurrection

“After the sabbath, as the first day of the week was dawning, Mary Magdalene and THE OTHER MARY came to see the tomb.”

This “other Mary” certainly corresponds to the mother of James and Joseph, the companion of Mary Magdalene in Matt 27:55. However, she is presented as such a minor gospel character that she is apparently NOT the mother of Jesus.

“After the sabbath, as the first day of the week was dawning, Mary Magdalene and THE OTHER MARY came to see the tomb.”

This “other Mary” certainly corresponds to the mother of James and Joseph, the companion of Mary Magdalene in Matt 27:55. However, she is presented as such a minor gospel character that she is apparently NOT the mother of Jesus.

It’s interesting to note that whenever Matthew mentions the Virgin Mary, he always identifies her as “Jesus’ mother.” (See: Matt 1:18, 2:11, 2:13, 2:14, 2:20, and 2:21, in which the author all but beats us over the head with the phrase “His mother.”) It’s unlikely, therefore, that Matthew is abandoning this point by later identifying her as merely the mother of James and Joseph: a secondary character, less important than Mary Magdalene. Taking all this into consideration, Mary the mother of James and Joseph and Jesus’ mother are apparently two different women. But first, let’s turn to Mark.

Mark 6:3 -- Jesus at Nazareth (possibly the original source)
-- “Is he not the carpenter?” (Jesus had taken over the family business)
-- “The son of Mary” (Very unusual in a Jewish context, in which a son is the son of the father, not the mother)
-- brothers James, JOSE, Judas, and Simon

The same list as in Matt 13:55, with the exception of “Jose” in place of Matthew’s Joseph -- really the same name in Hebrew (Yoshef).

-- “sisters are here with us”

Both in Matthew’s account, and more clearly here in Mark’s, this phrase seems to suggest that these particular “brothers” of Jesus lived elsewhere. (Could they have been traveling with Jesus as His followers?)

Mark 15:40 -- The Crucifixion

“Among them were Mary Magdalene, MARY THE MOTHER OF THE YOUNGER JAMES AND OF JOSE, and Salome.”
The same three companions appear again. Here, Mary is called “the mother of James” (a variant of “the mother of Jose” in 15:47). However, there is still no mention, or even a vague implication, that this woman is also the mother of Jesus; but merely a background character like Salome.

Luke 24:10 -- The Resurrection

“The women were Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and MARY THE MOTHER OF JAMES; the others who accompanied them also ...”

Again, the “mother of James,” but not the mother of Jesus. And, like Matthew and Mark (in 3:35), the author of Luke always refers to the Virgin Mary as Jesus’ mother (See: Luke 1:43, 2:33-34, 2:51, 8:19, Acts 1:14).

“Others” (aka, Salome and Suzanna, etc.)

John 19:25 -- The Crucifixion

“Standing by the cross of Jesus were His mother and HIS MOTHER’S SISTER, MARY THE WIFE OF CLOPAS, and Mary Magdala.”

This mysterious “Mary” appears again; this time called “Mary the wife of Clopas.” If this passage is speaking about three women, rather than four (as it almost certainly is), the comma after “his mother’s sister” may be identifying Clopas’ wife as the sister (or tribal-relative’) of Jesus’ mother. This would explain the gospel writers’ use of the Greek word “adelphos” (as a translation of the Hebrew “ah”), which could mean brother (or sister in the feminine), as well as cousin, nephew, relative, etc. If Clopas’ wife was the sister (i.e., close, tribal relative) of Jesus’ mother, then Clopas’ sons, James and Joseph (Jose), could very well be called Jesus’ “brethren” (i.e., part of His extended tribal family).

This seems to fit, since neither James and Joseph/Jose (nor any of the “brothers”) are EVER called the sons of Joseph.

It is also quite possible that, as John’s gospel so often does, this reference to Mary as “wife of Clopas” is a conscious intention to clear up any questions about the “mother of James and Joseph (Jose)” in the Synoptics -- that is, to clearly distinguish her from Jesus’ mother.

CONCLUSION

So, with all this evidence in mind, I hold that:

(1) John’s “Mary the wife of Clopas ” is the same person as the Synoptics’ “Mary the mother of James and Joseph/Jose” (the Mary of the cross/tomb accounts).

(2) This Mary is in turn the “sister” (i.e., close tribal relative) of Jesus’ mother Mary.

(3) This is how Jesus is “brothers” with James and Joseph (Jose).

(4) His other “brothers” (Judas and Simon), as well as his “sisters,” and the “brothers” who don’t believe in Him in John 7:5 are from other branches of His extended tribal family.

It therefore must be admitted that, if “Mary the mother of James and Joseph/Jose” and Jesus’ mother are one and the same, then

-- The three Synoptics (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) are INTENTIONALLY neglecting to call her Jesus’ mother in their cross/tomb accounts (as if she’s not Jesus’ mother anymore.)

-- The Synoptics are also INTENTIONALLY depicting her as a minor character, less important than Mary Magdalene. And, in the case of Matthew, she’s reduced to merely “the other Mary” in 28:1.

Consider that in Acts 1:14 she is again called “the mother of Jesus.” Since Acts is the companion volume to Luke (produced by the same author), it doesn’t make much sense for Luke to call her “Mary the mother of James” in 24:10, and then re-bestow the title “mother of Jesus” in Acts 1:14 if he’s trying to make such a “theological point”.

It is proved conclusively that the Synoptics’ “Mary the mother of James and Joseph/Jose” is NOT Jesus’ mother.

And, since this Mary is certainly the mother of the same James and Joseph/Jose who are also called Jesus’ “brothers,” then it’s equally proven that they COULD NOT have been the Lord’s brothers in a fraternal sense.

So, who are these “brothers” of Jesus? I hold that the term “brothers” refers to His entire tribal group: the boys He grew up with, and with whom He was somehow related.

But if these men were “cousins” or “blood relatives,” some argue, why not simply use the word “kinsman” or “relative” as found in Luke 1:36??? e.g. in which Elizabeth is described as Mary’s “relative.”

I answer this quite simply. First of all, I claim that His “brothers” and “sisters” were members of His extended family WITH WHOM JESUS WAS RAISED. Elizabeth’s son, John the Baptist, on the other hand, would not have been referred to in this sense, because Jesus was not raised with him, although they were of the same blood.

Also, I argue that the term “brother” is used in the Gospels because these particular men were known BY THIS TITLE in the early Church. I give you: 1 Corinthians 9:4-5, in which Paul is defending his right to be called an apostle:

“Do we not have the right to take along a Christian wife, as do the rest of the apostles, AND THE BROTHERS OF THE LORD, and Kephas (i.e., Peter)?”

Since Paul is writing to Corinthians: citizens of a city in far off Greece, it is obvious that the distinguishing TITLE of “brother” was well known to the universal Church, a Church which also knew very well what the title meant.

You can accept the truth of Scripture or fall for the theological faddism of 19th century liberals who invented this unbiblical nonsense of Jesus having siblings.

Jesus Brothers and Mary's Perpetual Virginity -- Catholic Apologetics, Philosophy, Spirituality
 
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Because that is the testimony of Scripture.

What you should be asking is , 'what is the purpose of Mary being a perpetual virgin?', as taught by the Roman church.

Stranger
God never said Mary was to be a perpetual virgin.

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God never said Jesus was to be a perpetual virgin and not have a son and many other sons and daughters - twinc
 
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I didn't suggest it was necessary.

You didn't ask if it was necessary.

You asked "why is it so important that Mary be a perpetual virgin?"

Typically you try and switch the terms in the middle of the discussion.




You can know your personal (and presumable fallible) interpretation of what God has revealed to us.

But unless you consider yourself infallible you cannot be sure.
Protestant reformers Luther, Calvin, and Zwingli ALL professed the Perpetual Virginity of Mary. (for documentation, see for example Mary, Mother of All Christians by Max Thurian, written while he was a Calvinist theologian).

...can you say "flip flop"? How about "Ephesians 4:14???"

Matthew 13:55 -- Jesus at Nazareth
-- carpenter’s son
-- mother named Mary
-- brothers: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas
-- sisters “with us”

Matthew 27: 55 -- The Crucifixion

“Among them were Mary Magdalene and MARY THE MOTHER OF JAMES AND JOSEPH, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee.”

This “Mary” is obviously the mother of the same James and Joseph mentioned in Matt 13:55.

Matthew 28: 1 -- The Resurrection

“After the sabbath, as the first day of the week was dawning, Mary Magdalene and THE OTHER MARY came to see the tomb.”

This “other Mary” certainly corresponds to the mother of James and Joseph, the companion of Mary Magdalene in Matt 27:55. However, she is presented as such a minor gospel character that she is apparently NOT the mother of Jesus.

“After the sabbath, as the first day of the week was dawning, Mary Magdalene and THE OTHER MARY came to see the tomb.”

This “other Mary” certainly corresponds to the mother of James and Joseph, the companion of Mary Magdalene in Matt 27:55. However, she is presented as such a minor gospel character that she is apparently NOT the mother of Jesus.

It’s interesting to note that whenever Matthew mentions the Virgin Mary, he always identifies her as “Jesus’ mother.” (See: Matt 1:18, 2:11, 2:13, 2:14, 2:20, and 2:21, in which the author all but beats us over the head with the phrase “His mother.”) It’s unlikely, therefore, that Matthew is abandoning this point by later identifying her as merely the mother of James and Joseph: a secondary character, less important than Mary Magdalene. Taking all this into consideration, Mary the mother of James and Joseph and Jesus’ mother are apparently two different women. But first, let’s turn to Mark.

Mark 6:3 -- Jesus at Nazareth (possibly the original source)
-- “Is he not the carpenter?” (Jesus had taken over the family business)
-- “The son of Mary” (Very unusual in a Jewish context, in which a son is the son of the father, not the mother)
-- brothers James, JOSE, Judas, and Simon

The same list as in Matt 13:55, with the exception of “Jose” in place of Matthew’s Joseph -- really the same name in Hebrew (Yoshef).

-- “sisters are here with us”

Both in Matthew’s account, and more clearly here in Mark’s, this phrase seems to suggest that these particular “brothers” of Jesus lived elsewhere. (Could they have been traveling with Jesus as His followers?)

Mark 15:40 -- The Crucifixion

“Among them were Mary Magdalene, MARY THE MOTHER OF THE YOUNGER JAMES AND OF JOSE, and Salome.”
The same three companions appear again. Here, Mary is called “the mother of James” (a variant of “the mother of Jose” in 15:47). However, there is still no mention, or even a vague implication, that this woman is also the mother of Jesus; but merely a background character like Salome.

Luke 24:10 -- The Resurrection

“The women were Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and MARY THE MOTHER OF JAMES; the others who accompanied them also ...”

Again, the “mother of James,” but not the mother of Jesus. And, like Matthew and Mark (in 3:35), the author of Luke always refers to the Virgin Mary as Jesus’ mother (See: Luke 1:43, 2:33-34, 2:51, 8:19, Acts 1:14).

“Others” (aka, Salome and Suzanna, etc.)

John 19:25 -- The Crucifixion

“Standing by the cross of Jesus were His mother and HIS MOTHER’S SISTER, MARY THE WIFE OF CLOPAS, and Mary Magdala.”

This mysterious “Mary” appears again; this time called “Mary the wife of Clopas.” If this passage is speaking about three women, rather than four (as it almost certainly is), the comma after “his mother’s sister” may be identifying Clopas’ wife as the sister (or tribal-relative’) of Jesus’ mother. This would explain the gospel writers’ use of the Greek word “adelphos” (as a translation of the Hebrew “ah”), which could mean brother (or sister in the feminine), as well as cousin, nephew, relative, etc. If Clopas’ wife was the sister (i.e., close, tribal relative) of Jesus’ mother, then Clopas’ sons, James and Joseph (Jose), could very well be called Jesus’ “brethren” (i.e., part of His extended tribal family).

This seems to fit, since neither James and Joseph/Jose (nor any of the “brothers”) are EVER called the sons of Joseph.

It is also quite possible that, as John’s gospel so often does, this reference to Mary as “wife of Clopas” is a conscious intention to clear up any questions about the “mother of James and Joseph (Jose)” in the Synoptics -- that is, to clearly distinguish her from Jesus’ mother.

CONCLUSION

So, with all this evidence in mind, I hold that:

(1) John’s “Mary the wife of Clopas ” is the same person as the Synoptics’ “Mary the mother of James and Joseph/Jose” (the Mary of the cross/tomb accounts).

(2) This Mary is in turn the “sister” (i.e., close tribal relative) of Jesus’ mother Mary.

(3) This is how Jesus is “brothers” with James and Joseph (Jose).

(4) His other “brothers” (Judas and Simon), as well as his “sisters,” and the “brothers” who don’t believe in Him in John 7:5 are from other branches of His extended tribal family.

It therefore must be admitted that, if “Mary the mother of James and Joseph/Jose” and Jesus’ mother are one and the same, then

-- The three Synoptics (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) are INTENTIONALLY neglecting to call her Jesus’ mother in their cross/tomb accounts (as if she’s not Jesus’ mother anymore.)

-- The Synoptics are also INTENTIONALLY depicting her as a minor character, less important than Mary Magdalene. And, in the case of Matthew, she’s reduced to merely “the other Mary” in 28:1.

Consider that in Acts 1:14 she is again called “the mother of Jesus.” Since Acts is the companion volume to Luke (produced by the same author), it doesn’t make much sense for Luke to call her “Mary the mother of James” in 24:10, and then re-bestow the title “mother of Jesus” in Acts 1:14 if he’s trying to make such a “theological point”.

It is proved conclusively that the Synoptics’ “Mary the mother of James and Joseph/Jose” is NOT Jesus’ mother.

And, since this Mary is certainly the mother of the same James and Joseph/Jose who are also called Jesus’ “brothers,” then it’s equally proven that they COULD NOT have been the Lord’s brothers in a fraternal sense.

So, who are these “brothers” of Jesus? I hold that the term “brothers” refers to His entire tribal group: the boys He grew up with, and with whom He was somehow related.

But if these men were “cousins” or “blood relatives,” some argue, why not simply use the word “kinsman” or “relative” as found in Luke 1:36??? e.g. in which Elizabeth is described as Mary’s “relative.”

I answer this quite simply. First of all, I claim that His “brothers” and “sisters” were members of His extended family WITH WHOM JESUS WAS RAISED. Elizabeth’s son, John the Baptist, on the other hand, would not have been referred to in this sense, because Jesus was not raised with him, although they were of the same blood.

Also, I argue that the term “brother” is used in the Gospels because these particular men were known BY THIS TITLE in the early Church. I give you: 1 Corinthians 9:4-5, in which Paul is defending his right to be called an apostle:

“Do we not have the right to take along a Christian wife, as do the rest of the apostles, AND THE BROTHERS OF THE LORD, and Kephas (i.e., Peter)?”

Since Paul is writing to Corinthians: citizens of a city in far off Greece, it is obvious that the distinguishing TITLE of “brother” was well known to the universal Church, a Church which also knew very well what the title meant.

You can accept the truth of Scripture or fall for the theological faddism of 19th century liberals who invented this unbiblical nonsense of Jesus having siblings.

Jesus Brothers and Mary's Perpetual Virginity -- Catholic Apologetics, Philosophy, Spirituality



that Jesus had brothers and sisters is not being denied but what is being denied is that the mother of Jesus was their mother or that their father was father to Jesus as was presumed but is not now even though the bible says 'thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing' and those who were mistaken about His brothers and sisters being Mary's children were mistaken about His father[Matt 13:55] - twinc
 

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that Jesus had brothers and sisters is not being denied but what is being denied is that the mother of Jesus was their mother or that their father was father to Jesus as was presumed but is not now even though the bible says 'thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing' and those who were mistaken about His brothers and sisters being Mary's children were mistaken about His father[Matt 13:55] - twinc
What's so wrong about Mary calling His foster-father, Joseph "father"? It's legitimate in Mosaic law.
 
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God never said Jesus was to be a perpetual virgin and not have a son and many other sons and daughters - twinc

When Isaiah 53 says he was cut off from the land of the living, does that also mean he was left with no decendants? I thought it does because the chapter put Jesus down In the first half then lifts him up in the second half. In the second half it speaks of his offspring which we should know are spiritual offspring. This leads me to believe he has no offspring but the spiritual ones.
 
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why was it necessary for Jesus to be a virgin or Mary for that matter - twinc
 

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why was it necessary for Jesus to be a virgin or Mary for that matter - twinc
Christ born of a virgin symbolizes the separation from the world in the conception; no worldly dna allowed, and God is the head of Christ, here to be raised up like a snake on a pole, not engage in worldly pursuits. imo
 
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Some Roman Catholics have understood that the 'brothers' of Jesus were his 'cousins'.

See this article that refutes that view: Did Jesus have brothers and sisters (siblings)? - Got Questions

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why do you prefer to accept what is not in the bible and then try and prove that it is - you accept that father means step father or even foster father and that sister means sisterinlaw and do not accept what is in the bible except to be contrary and vexatious - it says Mary's supposed sister was married to Cleophas who was brother to Joseph - this Mary was previously married to Alphaeus and had borne him two sons James and Joseph - both brothers died and both Marys brought their families together - Mary wife of Cleophas is described as the mother of James and Joseph[Mt 27:56] - James is also described as the son of Alphaeus[Mt 10:3] - twinc
 

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why do you prefer to accept what is not in the bible and then try and prove that it is - you accept that father means step father or even foster father and that sister means sisterinlaw and do not accept what is in the bible except to be contrary and vexatious - it says Mary's supposed sister was married to Cleophas who was brother to Joseph - this Mary was previously married to Alphaeus and had borne him two sons James and Joseph - both brothers died and both Marys brought their families together - Mary wife of Cleophas is described as the mother of James and Joseph[Mt 27:56] - James is also described as the son of Alphaeus[Mt 10:3] - twinc

twinc,

Where did I say that I accept what's not in the Bible over what's in the Bible. You have invented stuff in this post that I did not say. It's a straw man argument.

Matt 1:25 (NLT) states, 'But he [Joseph] did not have sexual relations with her [Mary] until her son was born. And Joseph named him Jesus'. I consider that this kills the perpetual virginity of Mary theory.

Scriptures provide this information about Jesus' brothers and sisters:

Mark 6:3 (NLT): 'Then they [people in the synagogue] scoffed, "He's just a carpenter, the son of Mary and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas, and Simon. And his sisters live right here among us." They were deeply offended and refused to believe in him'.

Matt 13:55-56 (NLT) states: '"Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? “And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this man get all these things?”'

So I accept the biblical evidence that:
  • Joseph had sexual relations with Mary after Jesus' birth. So, there is no perpetual virginity of Mary. See my article,
    Perpetual virginity of Mary promoted by false document
  • Jesus had brothers and sisters. Much speculation has been made as to how this happened. Let's stick with the biblical evidence - Jesus' did have brothers and sisters.
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