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Jesus is a human being but not the one true God

Discussion in 'Unorthodox Doctrine Forum' started by kerwin, Sep 25, 2016.

  1. 101G

    101G Well-Known Member

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    first thanks for the response. next I'll answer you point by point.
    #1. "I firmly believe that God will understand you and forgive you". update, he already have forgiven me and I have already accepted him, for he chose me first, and i thank him for that.
    #2. who's right and who's wrong is childish. but seeking the truth is RIGHT-OUSNESS. scripture, 2 Corinthians 4:1-6 "Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. 3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ". that's why I say he gave it to me to teach. I suggest you re-read those verses.
    #3. if other agree or not is not my concern. and second, being well verse or not is not the key. but God who gives revelation. I'm like my brother Paul, Galatians 1:11 & 12 "But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ". yes, I burned the midnight oil, yes, I studied, yes i researched. but after all of this one must come before God bowed and humble oneself ask him to reveal unto you what you have studied. without God, I'm NOTHING, he is the final authority in what i speak. so being school taught means NOTHING if you don't put God first. so if other agree or not with what I say is not concering to me, but it's what God agree to is what counts.

    #4. Ok Good. I'll start at the heart of your trinity doctrine (THE PERSONS) who are in it.
    Question GG, Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John".
    Who sent "HIS" angel to John?. now before you answer it, read revelation 22:6. because the Angel who was sent tells us who sent him in description. so my Question who sent "HIS" (we're speaking of Person), who sent his angel to John was it A. the one whom you calls Father, or B. the Son, the one whom you say is your second person of the Godhead. so which one A or B? I'll be waiting for your answer.

    be blessed
     
  2. "ByGrace"

    "ByGrace" Well-Known Member

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    @GodsGrace said:-BG You never answered these.

    If the bible didn't tell you, HOW would you know?
    HOW would you know about Jesus?
    ....etc etc

    Good grief don't you read anything? Look at my post #613 I quote some of it below.

     
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  3. "ByGrace"

    "ByGrace" Well-Known Member

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    Some believe 3 in One, some believe One in three, some believe One only, ....all the dotting of i's and the crossing of t's is not a beach to die upon.
    Even you "think" that you have everything nailed down so perfect and correctly.
    Because you are always challenging what people write.
    Well NEWS FLASH. We all follow God with the best an honest heart to we can have, before Him....ONLY HE knows where the truth lays between us ALL. And we will only know that IN TIME, when ALL is revealed.
    As for me and my house, we do not dare to judge how another child of God see God, the Father, or the Holy Spirit. If they are following hard after God with their heart and life, who are we to judge how they believe. If they are in sin, yes, we try to point it out and turn them back to the Path.
    @101G Here is his post on how he believes ....... The Godhead, Diversified Oneness
    It's an interesting thread. I'm glad that I just re read it, as I found a couple of spelling mistakes!!
    I don't think the godhead can be separated. But who knows...I have yet to find out on The Day.




     
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  4. 101G

    101G Well-Known Member

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    to my sister in Christ, keep on correcting my misspelled words, I need that kind of correction. and also thanks for the re-read. I know i haven't posted everything about the doctrine of "diversified oneness", but too much information, many cannot digest.

    and you're very correct, "the Godhead is not separated".
    be blessed

    PS, for any who don't know where I stand on the Lord Jesus, I believe he is the ONLY TRUE GOD, who shared himself in flesh,who was to come into the world to save it.
     
  5. "ByGrace"

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    Hahaha!! NO, not YOUR spelling it was MINE ... :D
    God bless you.....always.
     
  6. lforrest

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    The issue is presuppositions. Just like you coming and making assumptions about pia and ByGrace, and people that claim to listen to the Spirt. They don't fit in your box.

    Concerning those lead by the Spirit I doubt there is anyone that is lead by the nose like you seem to suggest mockingly. The leading of the Spirit is subtle, hence the still small voice. Even when he isn't speaking words, as is often the case for me, his leading is subtle and it is easy to drown out what is being convayed. The Holy Spirit uses the Bible as an avenue of communication to instill in us what is already said.
     
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    I am striving to surrender until there is nothing in me which disagrees with God. God is helping me in this. I have come far on the journey, but the end is not yet.
    Give God the glory!
     
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    Kannst du denn Deutsch sprechen? Ich bin kein Deutscher, aber Ich kann einige W├Ârte sprechen. Ich lese viel besser.
     
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    People too often do not realize or accept that having the Holy Spirit within doesn't mean they are always right. Solomon's writing still applies to those with the Holy Spirit aboard:

    "Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2

    Two people with the Holy Spirit may disagree because the "old man" is not yet dead. They are in some measure double minded. [Who is not?] The more often we quench the Spirit in us to lead us, the more often we'll find our answers to be a mixture of "God and me", if we are able to see our own problem. The only way we can ever really see it is by always carefully following the lead of the Holy Spirit and never quenching the Spirit.

    Too many people do not recognize that in themselves the "old man" is not completely dead. He had the dominion always prior to the Holy Spirit's arrival within us, and at every opportunity we allow, that "old fellow will work hard to regain what he lost.

    Two things are needed to move us toward one another in Christ instead of apart:

    1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.

    And be, or become His sheep so that we will know His voice:

    "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
    My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:" John 10:26-27
     
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  10. GodsGrace

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    The Sunday school used the bible.
    Your father heard it from someone who used a bible.
     
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    I couldn't agree more.
    But I DO believe we should AT LEAST respect each other.

    It's interesting that Pisteuo Likes you post and then he also likes BG's posts.
    I'm really confused.

    We should all act as if the Holy Spirit is dwelling in us.
    Some do not act this way at all.
    It's very disheartening, to say the least.
     
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    Oddly enough, I don't believe they DO listen to the Holy Spirit.
    They just THINK they do.
    I've been attacked by them from the first day I got here.
    Having to hear that I have THE BOOK and KNOWLEDGE and they have the Holy Spirit.
    And yet, WHO is speaking harshly to WHOM??

    We ALL have the Holy Spirit, not just SOME of us.
    Some of us should put Him more to good use.
     
  13. ScottA

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    GG, do not be surprised that those who speak in the Holy Spirit do not always agree with the scriptures. This is masterfully intentional.

    First, we have been informed that God himself "confused" all language throughout the whole world at the tower of Babel...which does not exclude scripture.

    Second, Christ, the Word himself, has explained that "all things" come in parables to those who are outside, including, and specifically, the scriptures.

    Jesus then goes on to further explain that His church would be built on the Rock of revelation from our Father in heaven, whom is spirit, just as He revealed to Peter that Jesus was the Christ. Then He said, that we must in fact be born again of the spirit of God. Furthermore, that it is then given to us that we should know the meaning of His words spoken in parables; and finally, that He would send us the Holy Spirit, who would lead us unto all truth.

    Therefore, the written word is not the end all, but rather the Holy Spirit.

    But you asked a great and reasonable question about why those who claim the Holy Spirit do not all agree: Which is because there are also evil spirits masquerading as angels of light. Yet, all are not evil, but simply mistaken. The latter, of whom we love.
     
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    It's nice to know that some can accept ANYTHING and call it Christianity.

    Let me ask you this:

    Do you like and accept the Catholic Church?
     
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    Why do you think Jesus spoke in parables?
    I didn't understand you.
     
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    Some believe one in three.
    Some believe three in one.

    So there could be THREE DIFFERENT PERSONS, each one having "God" in them...
    and THIS is Christianity???

    How did you learn this?
     
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    Sounds like we don't need a standard.

    OK.

    Let's just all of us go off and skip merrily and believe whatever we want to believe.

    Christianity is in bad shape.
    I'm glad I joined this forum.
    I've learned that we're in trouble.
    Maybe not much more to learn here....
     
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    I do not think it, but know that He did, because He said so. This He explained was so that "because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand." "They", being those who are "outside" and not included in those chosen.

    But not just "the" parables as some would believe, but rather as Jesus said, "all things."
     
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    Again, do not be dismayed. His strength in made perfect in [this] weakness. All is well in hand.

    These things are "finished", He has overcome the world.
     
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    Why would Jesus NOT want someone to understand His parables?
    Did He not come here to promote the Kingdom?
    Did He not come here to teach us about God?

    Who was on the "outside" and WHY wouldn't Jesus want them to understand?
     
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