JUSTIFICATION: Catholic Vs. Protestant, Part #1

[Rockerduck]

WHICH James? The son of Zebedee or the relative of Jesus (the Less).
WHERE does it say that James taught them to circumcise Gentiles?

Where does it say that either one of them was a Judaizer? The men from Antioch may very well have come to this belief on their own.

You should know that there were aberrations and false beliefs being circulated in the Early Church in the first century.

>James was Jesus's half brother.
> God commanded that Israelite's must be circumcised.
>The first converts were Jews and pharisees--Judaizer.
>I have a college degree and am aware of the schisms and falsities.

 

[marks]

son

Your contempt and ridicule of others tells me about the nature of your "works".

Much love!

 

[marks]

I HAVE defined it on numerous occasions.
I’m asking YOU. The Bible commands you to give an explanation when asked (1 Pet. 3:15).

Mis-use of Scripture.

1 Peter 3:15 KJV
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

The Bible does NOT command that we all be walking dictionaries.

Much love!

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Mis-use of Scripture.

1 Peter 3:15 KJV
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

The Bible does NOT command that we all be walking dictionaries.

Much love!

Another corruption of the word of God and it's truth. We see this twisting so often in the religious of this world!

 

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Another corruption of the word of God and it's truth. We see this twisting so often in the religious of this world!

So often I find that the very passage someone misuses for their own ends is the very passage which refutes what they are asserting. Not in this case since it was more of a "scoring points" off someone, or so it seems.

Much love!

 

[L.A.M.B.]

So often I find that the very passage someone misuses for their own ends is the very passage which refutes what they are asserting. Not in this case since it was more of a "scoring points" off someone, or so it seems.

Much love!

Just continue to stand in the simplicity of the word of God's truths and be not discouraged when the heather rage.

They reject his truth to their own destruction and shall reap it's rewards.

 

[marks]

Just continue to stand in the simplicity of the word of God's truths and be not discouraged when the heather rage.

They reject his truth to their own destruction and shall reap it's rewards.

Amen!!! Standing with the truth is it's own reward, and does not require the self-affirmations of insulting and mocking and all that mind-rot.

Much love!

 

[Robert Pate]

Amen!!! Standing with the truth is it's own reward, and does not require the self-affirmations of insulting and mocking and all that mind-rot.

Much love!

The Gospel is a simple message, Religion perverts the Gospel. Paul said, "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtility, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ" 2 Corinthians 11:3.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Your contempt and ridicule of others tells me about the nature of your "works".

Much love!

I’ve always had contempt for lies - and all evil.
So should YOU . . .

Psalm 97:10
Let those who love the LORD hate evil, for he guards the lives of his faithful ones and delivers them from the hand of the wicked.

 

[BreadOfLife]

>James was Jesus's half brother.
> God commanded that Israelite's must be circumcised.
>The first converts were Jews and pharisees--Judaizer.
>I have a college degree and am aware of the schisms and falsities.

And apparently, Mr. College Degree – you skipped over the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15 where the Judaizer controversy was settled.

As to God's command for Isrealites to be circumcised - that was UNDER THE LAW - which Jesys FULFILLED (Matt. 5:17).

Finally - as for James being Jesus’s “half-brother“ - that’s impossible because Mary only had one child – Jesus.
All we know from the Scriptures is that James the Less was related to Jesus. His mother was also named “Mary”, the relative (adelphe) of Jesus’s mother Mary. She was married to a man named Clopas (Alphaeus).

Matt. 27:56 says, "…among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee".

Mark 15:40 states, "There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome".

Finally, John 19:25 states, "But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene".

 

[Rockerduck]

And apparently, Mr. College Degree – you skipped over the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15 where the Judaizer controversy was settled.

As to God's command for Isrealites to be circumcised - that was UNDER THE LAW - which Jesys FULFILLED (Matt. 5:17).

Finally - as for James being Jesus’s “half-brother“ - that’s impossible because Mary only had one child – Jesus.
All we know from the Scriptures is that James the Less was related to Jesus. His mother was also named “Mary”, the relative (adelphe) of Jesus’s mother Mary. She was married to a man named Clopas (Alphaeus).

Matt. 27:56 says, "…among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee".

Mark 15:40 states, "There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome".

Finally, John 19:25 states, "But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene".

Same ol' Catholic mush.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Mis-use of Scripture.

WRONG.
It's the proper ise.

1 Peter 3:15 KJV
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

The Bible does NOT command that we all be walking dictionaries.

Much love!

You don’t have to be a “walking dictionary” in order to define “Faith”
EVERY Christian should know to define faith.

If you can’t define it – then you should re-think your theology . . .

 

[Webers_Home]

~

I remember decades ago hearing that justification means "Just as if I had never
sinned."

That's a pretty good way to state it, for example:

● Rom 4:25 . . He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to
life for our justification.

The Greek word translated "justification" in that passage means acquittal;
roughly defined as an adjudication of innocence due to a lack of sufficient
evidence to convict, viz: exoneration.

To give a rough-hewn idea of how this plays out: according to Rev 20:11-15,
God is keeping books on everyone wherein is recorded their entire life's
deeds.

Were those books to be opened to the pages wherein is supposed to be
recorded the deeds of someone who managed to obtain the acquittal
available by means of Christ's death and resurrection, those pages would be
missing because God closes their case and it's never reopened-- not because
it's a cold case, but because all charges against them were dropped and new
ones were never added; so that on the books it's like they were never anything
but 100% innocent their entire lives.

● 2Cor 5:19 . . God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting
men's sins against them.

The Greek word translated "counting" pertains to inventory, i.e. an indictment.
Well, needless to say; without an indictment, prosecutors have no grounds for
hauling someone into court. (Rom 8:33-34)

FAQ: How might someone go about obtaining this acquittal about which
we've heard?

REPLY: It's available upon request. For example: find some privacy; even a
restroom stall would do. Cover your face with your hands for a sense of
connection and simply tell God, in your own words; that you've yet to
measure up to His standards and you're pretty sure you never will. Then tell
Him you'd like to take advantage of His son's death and resurrection to
protect yourself from retribution.

** Jesus and his Father have gone to a great deal of trouble to make an acquittal
possible so don't hesitate to take them up on their amazing generosity while
it's still on the table.

● 2Cor 6:1-2 . . As God's fellow workers we urge you not to receive His grace
in vain. For He says; "In the time of my favor I heard you, and in the day of
salvation I helped you." I tell you, now is the time of God's favor, now is the
day of salvation.
_

 

[BreadOfLife]

Same ol' Catholic mush.

Same ol' impotent response.

Here's a challenge:
If it's just "Catholic mush" - how 'bout trying to actually refute my Biblical argument?

I'll waith right here for your response . . .

 

[Robert Pate]

~


That's a pretty good way to state it, for example:

● Rom 4:25 . . He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to
life for our justification.

The Greek word translated "justification" in that passage means acquittal;
roughly defined as an adjudication of innocence due to a lack of sufficient
evidence to convict, viz: exoneration.

To give a rough-hewn idea of how this plays out: according to Rev 20:11-15,
God is keeping books on everyone wherein is recorded their entire life's
deeds.

Were those books to be opened to the pages wherein is supposed to be
recorded the deeds of someone who managed to obtain the acquittal
available by means of Christ's death and resurrection, those pages would be
missing because God closes their case and it's never reopened-- not because
it's a cold case, but because all charges against them were dropped and new
ones were never added; so that on the books it's like they were never anything
but 100% innocent their entire lives.

● 2Cor 5:19 . . God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting
men's sins against them.

The Greek word translated "counting" pertains to inventory, i.e. an indictment.
Well, needless to say; without an indictment, prosecutors have no grounds for
hauling someone into court. (Rom 8:33-34)

FAQ: How might someone go about obtaining this acquittal about which
we've heard?

REPLY: It's available upon request. For example: find some privacy; even a
restroom stall would do. Cover your face with your hands for a sense of
connection and simply tell God, in your own words; that you've yet to
measure up to His standards and you're pretty sure you never will. Then tell
Him you'd like to take advantage of His son's death and resurrection to
protect yourself from retribution.

** Jesus and his Father have gone to a great deal of trouble to make an acquittal
possible so don't hesitate to take them up on their amazing generosity while
it's still on the table.

● 2Cor 6:1-2 . . As God's fellow workers we urge you not to receive His grace
in vain. For He says; "In the time of my favor I heard you, and in the day of
salvation I helped you." I tell you, now is the time of God's favor, now is the
day of salvation.
_

Or "whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

 

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WRONG.
It's the proper ise.

You don’t have to be a “walking dictionary” in order to define “Faith”
EVERY Christian should know to define faith.

If you can’t define it – then you should re-think your theology . . .

You are still ignoring what the passage actually says, and are using your mis-application to bash someone unrightfully, and if that's not a mis-use of Scripture I certainly do not know what it.

I don't know what makes you so angry and bitter, but it colors just about everything you write, and that seems to mean nothing to you.

You just grabbed that verse like a club to hit someone with, it's as plain as day. You need to learn to see this. And to admit it. And then to stop it.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Same ol' Catholic mush.

The put to much faith in history,. that was written BY THEM

then the actual word of God

 

[Eternally Grateful]

One thing to remember is even alot of protestants hold to the same ole works based justification model of the catholic church. Just not as in depth..

 

[BreadOfLife]

You are still ignoring what the passage actually says, and are using your mis-application to bash someone unrightfully, and if that's not a mis-use of Scripture I certainly do not know what it.

You can claim that until you are blue in the face - but you have YET to prove it.

MY original challenge was for another poster to define "faith".,
When they refused to do so - I quoted 1 Per. 3:15 - which ius the appropriate verse fo the situation.
1 Pet. 3:15
But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have.

I don't know what makes you so angry and bitter, but it colors just about everything you write, and that seems to mean nothing to you.

You just grabbed that verse like a club to hit someone with, it's as plain as day. You need to learn to see this. And to admit it. And then to stop it.

Much love!

And I'm neither angry nor bitter.
I simply don't have ANY tolerance for the lies and manure that people pass for "tuth" on his forum . . .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You can claim that until you are blue in the face - but you have YET to prove it.

MY original challenge was for another poster to define "faith".,
When they refused to do so - I quoted 1 Per. 3:15 - which ius the appropriate verse fo the situation.
1 Pet. 3:15
But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have.

And I'm neither angry nor bitter.
I simply don't have ANY tolerance for the lies and manure that people pass for "tuth" on his forum . . .

Which is why we have lost our tolerance to listen to you.

Define faith?

Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word (scripture)

Our hope is eternal life. Which God, who can not lie, promised before time began.

and John said we can know we have it. And this knowledge is the hope that keeps us believing in christ.

faith is an assurance, as apposed to believe, which is just a mental agreement minus any thrust of confidence.

Paul said he is confident of one thing that He who began a good work WILL COMPLETE IT until the day of christ.

if you do not have this confidence, You have no hope. If you have no assurance, you have no faith.

I am sorry if this defenition is apposed to your religion. But it is biblical.