Those 2 were not resurrected yet and still are not. But they were there with Christ, it was not some kind of fakery. They are conscious and speak with Christ. They just do not have a physical body, they are spirits, like the angels are spirits.
Moses And Elijah With Jesus ???
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Hebrews 12, and the great cloud of witnesses, which are those who have gone into heaven with Christ after His being resurrected who were aforetime in Paradise of God a part of Sheol (Hell), where the righteous dead went when they died. We did not come to the mountain which cannot be touched.
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
1 Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
The Discipline of God
3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. 4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. 5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:
“My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord,
Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;
6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.”
7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. 9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. 11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
Renew Your Spiritual Vitality
12 Therefore strengthen the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees, 13 and make straight paths for your feet, so that what is lame may not be dislocated, but rather be healed.
14 Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord: 15 looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled; 16 lest there be any fornicator or profane person like Esau, who for one morsel of food sold his birthright. 17 For you know that afterward, when he wanted to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought it diligently with tears.
The Glorious Company
18 For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest, 19 and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore. 20 (For they could not endure what was commanded: “And if so much as a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned or shot with an arrow.” 21 And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, “I am exceedingly afraid and trembling.”)
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
1 Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
The Discipline of God
3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. 4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. 5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:
“My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord,
Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;
6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.”
7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. 9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. 11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
Renew Your Spiritual Vitality
12 Therefore strengthen the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees, 13 and make straight paths for your feet, so that what is lame may not be dislocated, but rather be healed.
14 Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord: 15 looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled; 16 lest there be any fornicator or profane person like Esau, who for one morsel of food sold his birthright. 17 For you know that afterward, when he wanted to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought it diligently with tears.
The Glorious Company
18 For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest, 19 and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore. 20 (For they could not endure what was commanded: “And if so much as a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned or shot with an arrow.” 21 And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, “I am exceedingly afraid and trembling.”)
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
Yes, thank you, Farouk. Jesus is the Greater Moses and the Greater Elijah, just as He is the Greater David:
- We now are under the law of Christ rather than the Mosaic Law, because the Law given to Moses on Mt. Sinai made nothing perfect (Hebrews 7:19)
- Jesus is the One prophesied about, as He Himself said in John 5:46 ~ Moses and the prophets, represented by Elijah, wrote of Him.
- And Jesus is preeminent over all of God's Israel, which includes both Jew and Gentile and includes people of every tongue, tribe, and nation ~ just as David was preeminent over all of physical Israel in the Old Testament.
BeyondET
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Seems Peter was pretty close when they were about to depart.
How did Peter know what Moses and Elijah looked like to recognize who they were? He requested to build 3 tents.
quietthinker
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Presumably because he heard Jesus call them by name, maybe. Or maybe when they appeared, Jesus said to Peter, "Dude, look! It's Moses and Elijah! Woo hoo!"
But we don't know. Is this really important?
Grace and peace to you.
Certainly not everything that happened was written down, things were done, words spoken and we have no written record, but they still happened. Things logically happened back then like they logically happen today, so you can assume Jesus tells the disciples this is Elijah and that is Moses.
BeyondET
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Presumably because he heard Jesus call them by name, maybe. Or maybe when they appeared, Jesus said to Peter, "Dude, look! It's Moses and Elijah! Woo hoo!"
Is this really important?
Grace and peace to you.
There's a hint to their identity in Luke 9
is the only one that records what the 3 where talking about "Jesus departure" exodus of sorts its likely the three disciples on over hearing the conversation came to the conclusion it was Moses and Elijah both who had their exodus moments as well.
It may not be important but i find it interesting the little details in scripture
ScottA
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This world and the timeline you are considering to be the time frame around which all things revolve, is not at all the case. All this is created just as we were created that Adam, the man of sin, should be revealed throughout every generation. The point is, it is just an image cast through a prism we call time by the Light of Christ, cast from before the foundation of the world (just as it was with the Lamb that was slain).
That so called transfiguration of Moses and Elijah, was rather a view to that time before time, which is not rightfully called time, because it was before time...better understood as Christ said (not referring to time), "Before Abraham was, I am."
BeyondET
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Actually there is some info on what they where talking about just a verse but that's really is all that was needed to know who they were.
Luke 9
31They appeared in glory and spoke about His departure, which He was about to accomplish at Jerusalem
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BeyondET
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God made it happened for a purpose, if I'm not mistaken similar things have been recorded in the bible just because something hadn't happen yet doesn't mean it can't if God is at the helm.
Not all deciples stead, three deciples went with him.
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John 21
25 And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.
25 And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.
1 John 5:12-14
New King James Version
12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
The things that were recorded, their purpose was written that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God. Bible is not a story tale in a book like a graphic novel. Bible message is about the assurance of salvation, eternal life for believers from this present evil age in which we live. And there is a lot of evil things that have happened down here through thousands of years. When you experience them, you comprehend consciously, the lie of the world.
New King James Version
12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
The things that were recorded, their purpose was written that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God. Bible is not a story tale in a book like a graphic novel. Bible message is about the assurance of salvation, eternal life for believers from this present evil age in which we live. And there is a lot of evil things that have happened down here through thousands of years. When you experience them, you comprehend consciously, the lie of the world.
Earburner
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Just a thought in support of how I understand it.
Because of the 10C Law, there were no images/paintings of Moses or Elijah. And therefore there was no remembrance in any of the disciples thoughts, except for what the scriptures described about them. Therefore after 500+ years in passing, the disciples were clueless of what Moses and Elijah looked like. I am firmly convinced that the transfiguration was a real time event "sight vision", of which they literally saw with their own eyes, being exactly what Jesus said that they would see: John 1:51
Earburner
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