Ferris Bueller
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That's a contradiction....it WILL happen.....I just maintain it does not HAVE to happen.
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That's a contradiction....it WILL happen.....I just maintain it does not HAVE to happen.
Counts for what? Has value towards what? What's the context of Galatians 5:6? Justification, of course. The faith that justifies all by itself apart from works and which counts toward justification, is the faith that works. If your faith doesn't work, you don't have the faith that justifies all by itself apart from works. You just think you do. The new Osas says that's not true. The new Osas says faith that DOESN'T express itself through love is also the faith that counts towards justification.The very reason that God created man was so that he could love and DO GOOD WORKS , and carry the burdens of others....these are the Faith works that count.
What are you talking about? He had good works. He endured a much greater test of faith than you or I will ever endure, and he did it without sinning.Truly “ good” Faith works Follow after Salvation....It’s a Natural result of having God’s Holy Spirit in you ....it may happen soon...it may happen later....it could NEVER happen —- check out the “ Good works” of the Thief on the Cross.....His Belief in Jesus Saved Him..... nothing else.......the “ good works” Would have followed if he could have got down from that Cross......” Would” have But didn’t.....that shows it does not Have to happen.....
How is the expression of love not obedience to God's commands?Then in that case you misrepresented it .....
For certain men have crept in among you unnoticed—ungodly ones who were designated long ago for condemnation. They turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality, and they deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. Jude 1:4The new Osas says you have this license to sin. It says that's what grace is for (and look who Jude says brings that into the church). It says grace is your license that makes it so the warnings of scripture like Galatians 5:21 don't apply to you. You can just drive right on by in your unrepentant, willing, deliberate sin in eternal immunity from the damnation of the wicked. The old Osas was completely and totally opposed to this horrible teaching. The new Osas unabashedly proclaims it!
Then why do you purposely do it (as you claim you do)? Do you like Drano enemas and sticking your hand in a fire?I have told you repeatedly that a “ License to Sin” is like getting a license to Stick my hand in a fire....That little “ tid-bit” Alone would suffice a wise man with Insight — or one who is just not “ Stiff-Necked” or a man that had “ eyes to see”.
For certain men have crept in among you unnoticed—ungodly ones who were designated long ago for condemnation. They turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality, and they deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. Jude 1:4The new Osas says you have this license to sin. It says that's what grace is for (and look who Jude says brings that into the church). It says grace is your license that makes it so the warnings of scripture like Galatians 5:21 don't apply to you. You can just drive right on by in your unrepentant, willing, deliberate sin in eternal immunity from the damnation of the wicked. The old Osas was completely and totally opposed to this horrible teaching. The new Osas unabashedly proclaims it!
But you haven't explained this at all. You won't address it.....I am tired of explaining myself, going around in circles talking to a wall.
For certain men have crept in among you unnoticed—ungodly ones who were designated long ago for condemnation. They turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality, and they deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. Jude 1:4The new Osas says you have this license to sin. It says that's what grace is for (and look who Jude says brings that into the church). It says grace is your license that makes it so the warnings of scripture like Galatians 5:21 don't apply to you. You can just drive right on by in your unrepentant, willing, deliberate sin in eternal immunity from the damnation of the wicked. The old Osas was completely and totally opposed to this horrible teaching. The new Osas unabashedly proclaims it!
If this were true dear friend, than this would not be written in our Bibles:
"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" (1 Peter 5:8)
Now, “if Satan had nothing” on us, then there would be no need to be sober and vigilant, would there?
It’s our faith, not our deeds that overcomes the world, as we trust Christ and his power wins every time
It’s our faith in his faithActually, it is the faith of our Lord Jesus that overcome the world. We must be careful how we choose words and terms.
Consider these Scripture verses:
Romans 3:22.... by faith of Jesus Christ...
Likewise with Galatians 2:16, 3:22; and Revelation 14:12.
To God Be The Glory
People don't understand those passages because they don't know the whole counsel of scripture.
Scripture declares, "resist the devil and he will flee from you
How is the expression of love not obedience to God's commands?
The faith that justifies all by itself apart from works is the faith that obeys God. If it doesn't obey God, it is a fake, false faith that did not, and can not justify a person. The new Osas says that is not true. It says even dead faith justifies a person.
But you haven't explained this at all. You won't address it.....
But you haven't explained this at all. You won't address it.....
Not sure I follow you exactly, but it does sound like you believe the simple truth that the salvation of Christ is forever. Great!The problem is when one is told they are saved by believing something Jesus did to secure them so they can have heaven when they physically die. (But they may not be)
Instead of telling them to trust Jesus as who God through the prophets declared Him to be in order to be born from above; And then choose to follow Him.
One who was saved they knew it....they most likely came Alive at their new birth.....And honestly they can know when they are not walking in steps in light of the Faith of Jesus.
So if you really were saved why would you have to doubt? You knew it! And if ya want to continue to know you keep steps with the Spirit. It is knowledge that is the key. For eternal life is to know God and Jesus Christ who He sent.
3The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen for his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
You see...so the problem is not telling the once saved they are lost when they know they are protected by their shepherd.
The problem is filtering scriptures through OSAS....and holding this doctrine of beliefs instead of Trusting Jesus Christ allowing the Spirit to lead one into all truth.
For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.
It is Jesus that is the beginning and the end...not the scriptures filtered through Osas.
If you aren’t being sober and vigilant to begin with, you will not be able to resist the devil.
Explain to me how you saying grace makes it so you can sin willfully and not be damned with the wicked is different than Jude's 'license for immorality'.I will address this right now—- that ain’t me that Jude is talking about .