Eternally Grateful
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Says the one who does nothing but attack a group of people he does not understamdName calling is for those who are desperate and losing!
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Says the one who does nothing but attack a group of people he does not understamdName calling is for those who are desperate and losing!
Do you always stay on topic or are you just being a hypocrite?If you try to get saved by works, your night a christian, your trying to earn salvation by your deeds
the topic is osas. Not what a christian does after he is saved,
NopeSome, absolutely! The OP quote proves OSAS is a license to sin.
You're attacking me, as if you didn't notice.Says the one who does nothing but attack a group of people he does not understamd
Your the one not on topic everytime you bring up works and osas.Do you always stay on topic or are you just being a hypocrite?
Nope,You're attacking me, as if you didn't notice.
I don't know any genuine believers who teach that OSAS is a license to sin. Do you believe that everyone in the NOSAS camp is going to heaven?Some, absolutely! The OP quote proves OSAS is a license to sin.
You're the one spewing hate. I'm challenging the OSAS myth!Nope
the op proves the op has no understanding of OSAS is is on a tirade of hate against something he does not know
What lies? Or did YOU just lie?Nope,
I am staying the truth and attacking your lies against my faith
Your challenge has been met, disproven, and put to rest.You're the one spewing hate. I'm challenging the OSAS myth!
Here you go with your strawman againWhat lies? Or did YOU just lie?
He is on the run, he has resorted to nonsensical attacks, I think we have shown his true selfI don't know any genuine believers who teach that OSAS is a license to sin. Do you believe that everyone in the NOSAS camp is going to heaven?
I guard myself against anyone who claims to be a genuine believer and says we can live anyway we want and we remain saved because it's hard for me to imagine a truly genuine Christian believing such nonsense.I don't know any genuine believers who teach that OSAS is a license to sin.
You do know there is this new Osas running around these days, right? Calvin himself (the author of the original Osas teaching) would firmly resist it. And he should!true OSAS
The question is, can a true believer stop believing? Settle that and you've settled the Osas debate. What matters is that you do what the Bible tells us to do—keep believing.The school of thought that teaches we can lose our salvation never consider the challenge to prove it.
Not taking scripture out of context "proof". Proving with scripture that states every change that occurred in the repentant sinner is reversed in them by God. That they then return to their former sinner state.
Dear anti- eternal salvation proponents, proceed to meet the challenge.
Exact scripture only please.
How does the corporate body of gentiles do this? ↓↓The Jews were in the olive tree to begin with because they were the "natural branches" and not because they were all saved. (vs. 19-21) Because of their unbelief and hard hearts God removed His gracious hand from them as a people overall and broke them off from His goodness (but only for a time after which they will be restored - Romans 11:24-26). We Gentiles have now been grafted into God's goodness and are the recipients of His blessings. Paul's warning is that we should not become arrogant because we might lose the goodness and blessings of God just like the Israelites lost the goodness and blessings of God, but this doesn't speak of losing salvation.
Professing Christians who are Gentiles are corporately in outward covenant with Christ so, it would appear that Romans 11 is speaking about the question of collective ecclesiology and not individual soteriology. I see the warning to this collective body, which is corporately joined to Christ and is in a covenant relationship, but how could this mean that every individual in it is in saving union with Christ? Hence the "cut off." Union with Christ applies to the elect, and only for the elect are, "the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable." (verse 29) But since non-elect covenant members are mixed in, Christ clearly appears to have non-elect branches and while they may be joined outwardly in covenant with Christ, since they have professed faith in Jesus, the faith of some of them is spurious.
Okay, fair enough. Let's return to the topic.No we're not. "Stick to the topic dude".
Practice what you preach.
Paul's analogy is making a point about Israel taken as a whole, and as it is with all generalities, what is true of the group is not necessarily true of each and every member of the group. He is making the same point about The Gentile nations, taken as a whole.How does the corporate body of gentiles do this? ↓↓
...you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. Romans 11:20
...kindness to you, if you continue in His kindness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. Romans 11:22
I know that Wikipedia classifies "perseverance of the saints" as OSAS, but it isn't.You do know there is this new Osas running around these days, right? Calvin himself (the author of the original Osas teaching) would firmly resist it. And he should!