OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

[BloodBought 1953]

Hey Blood Bought.
Nice to hear from you.
I think the name your chose for your Alt .. "Blood Bought"... is such a great witness for God's Mercy.

And "Lucky Repentance".....is that like The Cosmic Lottery?
Isn't that hyper calvinism, or something like .????
Isn't that where (they teach) that God rolls the heavenly dice before you are born and if your number is up, you burn in hell, and if your number is "Lucky", you get to go to heaven, and no free will is involved?

There is a forum that is full of these type Mods..

Christianforums.com

The forum is very good, but the Mods, nearly all of them are hyper calvinist to the extreme.
And how do you recognize these types, Reader?
Well, they give God credit for the Devil's work. Is what they do.
For example......"murder, rape, incest, lust, hatred, war, robbery, child porn, sex slavery industry.....all of this, these "believers" will tell you that God caused because He causes it all, "the evil and the good".
And of course they have no use for Free Will........

Always good to enjoy your Wisdom and Insights and Passion For The Things Of God,Behold.....I used to spend Considerable time at “ ChristianForums”....There have been so many, but if memory serves me , I think it’s one of many I got thrown out of ! Lol.....ring a bell for you? It seems that some Forums all full of Mods that don't really Believe the Songs That They mindlessly and hypocritically sing many Sunday’s —- “Nothing But The Blood”...
Isn’t it strange that one could get in trouble for using that Song as an anchor for one’s Faith? Isn’t it sad ?
There are many weak , confused and even silly posters here , but I find the Mods here to be pretty cool.......MUCH Better than what we have endured elsewhere, right Behold?

 

[justbyfaith]

You fraternize with people who deny indwelling sin and call out as false teachers those who preach repentance...

 

[Behold]

We can't redefine words to make our beliefs Biblical --- OSAS redefines "escaped" to mean "still trapped" in 2 Peter 2:22 in order to make impotent a verse which destroys OSAS:

"For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning."​

You're either escaped from the enemy or not, just like a man is either alive or not and a woman is either pregnant or not.

"Dr" Charles Stanley promotes the idea of THREE spiritual states of men: saved, lost, and "carnal Christian", but Jesus clearly taught only TWO options: "...he that is not with Me is against Me, and he that gathereth not with Me scattereth abroad." Saints who turn back to a life of sin will be destroyed in the Lake of Fire.

IF C.Stanley is now preaching/teaching that a backslidden Christian is going to burn in the Lake of Fire , then Mr Stanley has become a Legalist and a Heretic.
If that is the case, then turn him off.
I know for a fact that he didnt teach this self righteous nonsense most of his Adult Teaching life, so, if he has fallen from Grace, which is why he would teach this carnal junk, then, that's too bad.....and very sad.

I use to be a Christian Radio Station Operator, and Stanley's sermons were a part of our Sunday Services.
Ive heard hundreds of hours of Stanley's stuff, and he never preached the Devil's Gospels of self saving.
Maybe age has tricked his mind, or something similar, as he's up there...

Here is the thing..
God, Christ and the Holy Spirit, are in every believer. They are SEALED in us, and we are 'ONE" with God and Christ...
So, if a born again person were to go to the Lake of Fire, then God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, would also.
Understand?
If you don't then think on that until you do...
Maybe you should take a pen, paper, envelope, and stamp, and write Mr Stanley and point this out, as perhaps you could redirect him to again teach the Grace of God, vs, Cross Rejecting Heresy.

Now notice carefully,....

You can follow Jesus, and be a disciple, and burn in the lake of Fire.
You can deal with Street Orphans, for 60 yrs, for the cause of Christ, and die and burn in the lake of fire.
You can escape the pollutions of this world, and die and burn in the lake of fire.
But what you can't do, is be born again, and go to hell.
So, mark it down, Phonemann777.

Here is what Jesus said...

"you must endure to the end to stay saved", = NOPE

"you must be water baptized, sprinkled and confirmed to stay saved", = NOPE

"you must never backslide to stay saved", = NOPE

"you must take communion and do penance to stay saved" = NOPE


So, what did he say then, Phonemann777?

He was very specific.
He said, if you want to go to heaven, then you must be " BORN AGAIN"

And why did He only say that, READER ???
Its because this is the one thing, that you can't do for yourself.
So, Christ is showing you that to gain heaven, to gain eternal life, God has to do something for YOU.

You must be "BORN AGAIN".. By GOD.

And if you are, you are going to heaven as surely as The Christ that is in you, is going to get you there.
And if you are not yet born again, then this is your life....... John 3:36

 

[justbyfaith]

So, if a born again person were to go to the Lake of Fire, then God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, would also.

See Psalms 139:8.

God is definitely present in hell; for He is Omnipresent.

"you must endure to the end to stay saved", = NOPE

Actually, see Matthew 10:22, Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 3:14.

Of course it is not by self-effort that we endure to the end.

We endure to the end because we have been sealed by the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13-14, Ephesians 4:30, 2 Corinthians 1:22, 2 Corinthians 5:5) and His motivation within us motivates us to continue in His goodness (see Romans 11:20-22) throughout our days (1 John 3:6, 1 John 2:17)..

 

[Behold]

And yes these charlatans must be avoided lest some weak in faith will be led astray by them.

APAK

Its a shame that the reality is, that a New Believer, a Baby Christian, can't find one "christian" Forum, on this earth, where they can go and not be faith destroyed by heretics.
It should not be so, but that is the case.
It would seem to me, that an Owner of a Christian forum, and Mods, would have as JOB 1, the KNOWLEDGE that Believer's have to be protected from heretics.....but instead....>"christian" forums are really just "park and preach" gateways, where the Mods sort of sit and wait for it to become too intense, then they run in and ban someone.
But that solves nothing.

Here is how you resolve 99% of the Devil's accomplishments, using a "christian" forum.

You simple state in the TOS that you may not discuss..

1. Lose your Salvation

2. God chooses some for Heaven, but not all.

And then you enforce it.

See, just get RID of those 2 Heretical TREASURES, and all Christian Forums potentially become a God honoring Place to be.

Will this ever happen?
Nope.
And the Devil loves this fact.

 

[justbyfaith]

You simple state in the TOS that you may not discuss..

1. Lose your Salvation

Except that a case can be made for this in holy scripture (not that I agree with it; for I know the scriptures that promise eternal security).

God is not afraid of dissenting doctrines; He can most certainly deal with them using the word.

He is most certainly able to place His people in strategic places so that sound doctrine may prevail on all the message boards.

Of course, it becomes difficult when moderators (I'm not saying on this message board) ban you or delete your posts or else discipline you for preaching the truth. It has most certainly happened to me before, on other boards. I'm thankful that we are not banned for the content of our message here.

Because if you start with the idea of losing your salvation and Limited Atonement, where does it end?

You have effectively destroyed that person's right to freedom of speech.

 

[101G]

Its a shame that the reality is, that a New Believer, a Baby Christian, can't find one "christian" Forum, on this earth, where they can go and not be faith destroyed by heretics.

why don't you Go to God and be made free, instead of running to man to protect you? listen, Matthew 16:18 "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

you denied the Faith, "and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." why put your FAITH in a TOS of a as you say, "christian" forum".

your Faith in Christ, nothing should prevail. because, Isaiah 54:17 "No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD."

now unless your foundation is built on sand, then nothing should prevail or "OVERCOME" you, if you have the GREATER one in you.

see, if you're FREE in Christ JESUS, then the things of the world matter not.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[APAK]

Its a shame that the reality is, that a New Believer, a Baby Christian, can't find one "christian" Forum, on this earth, where they can go and not be faith destroyed by heretics.
It should not be so, but that is the case.
It would seem to me, that an Owner of a Christian forum, and Mods, would have as JOB 1, the KNOWLEDGE that Believer's have to be protected from heretics.....but instead....>"christian" forums are really just "park and preach" gateways, where the Mods sort of sit and wait for it to become too intense, then they run in and ban someone.
But that solves nothing.

Here is how you resolve 99% of the Devil's accomplishments, using a "christian" forum.

You simple state in the TOS that you may not discuss..

1. Lose your Salvation

2. God chooses some for Heaven, but not all.

And then you enforce it.

See, just get RID of those 2 Heretical TREASURES, and all Christian Forums potentially become a God honoring Place to be.

Will this ever happen?
Nope.
And the Devil loves this fact.

Yes, these two things will go a long way to curb heresy in true Christianity.

You cut to the chase with confidence. It must be a trait or gift from above. So please keep on preaching.

I also will bring my views to you if I do not agree, as a brother in Christ.

Bless you,

APAK

 

[Behold]

Always good to enjoy your Wisdom and Insights and Passion For The Things Of God,Behold.....I used to spend Considerable time at “ ChristianForums”....There have been so many, but if memory serves me , I think it’s one of many I got thrown out of ! Lol.....ring a bell for you? It seems that some Forums all full of Mods that don't really Believe the Songs That They mindlessly and hypocritically sing many Sunday’s —- “Nothing But The Blood”...
Isn’t it strange that one could get in trouble for using that Song as an anchor for one’s Faith? Isn’t it sad ?
There are many weak , confused and even silly posters here , but I find the Mods here to be pretty cool.......MUCH Better than what we have endured elsewhere, right Behold?

This Forum's Mods ....I have found the majority of them to be patient, considerate, helpful.
Recently my "other" Macbook Pro died and so there goes my password to this site.
I was not able to get the "password reset link" to work, so, the Mod's here helped me with this, so that i could begin again to do what i do.

Recently i ran into a wall here, when teaching about the "cult of Mary".
I showed photos of the Pope kissing and worshiping plastic Mary's.
I taught directly from Catholic Doctrine, regarding this term "cult of Mary" that was Created by early Catholic Church Father's.
I rejected for 3 weeks, a very aggressive Catholic's typical heretical Catholic Ideas, and i denied them as truth, which impugn'd their Cult.
I ran into a wall for stating that the CC is a cult, as this rubs against the TOS here, that states that we are not allowed to call out a Cult.
So, that TOS point needs to be revised, but other then that, this place is not all about Hyper Calvinism, and its not every other Thread this is denying God's Grace.
So, thats GOOD.

 

[justbyfaith]

I also will bring my views to you if I do not agree, as a brother in Christ.

If anyone denies the Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ, they are not a brother in Christ and will die in their sins (John 8:24).

 

[ChristisGod]

This Forum's Mods ....I have found the majority of them to be patient, considerate, helpful.
Recently my "other" Macbook Pro died and so there goes my password to this site.
I was not able to get the "password reset link" to work, so, the Mod's here helped me with this, so that i could begin again to do what i do.

Recently i ran into a wall here, when teaching about the "cult of Mary".
I showed photos of the Pope kissing and worshiping plastic Mary's.
I taught directly from Catholic Doctrine, regarding this term "cult of Mary" that was Created by early Catholic Church Father's.
I rejected for 3 weeks, a very aggressive Catholic's typical heretical Catholic Ideas, and i denied them as truth, which impugn'd their Cult.
I ran into a wall for stating that the CC is a cult, as this rubs against the TOS here, that states that we are not allowed to call out a Cult.
So, that TOS point needs to be revised, but other then that, this place is not all about Hyper Calvinism, and its not every other Thread this is denying God's Grace.
So, thats GOOD.

First of all forums are not for those who are weak it is not like a physical church assembly where the flock is protected from false teachers with Pastors and Elders who oversee them.

Forums are designed for discussions of people with different beliefs, denominations, cultures, religions and are apologetic in nature. So if a person cannot defend their beliefs they should think twice about online forums and get plugged into a local church. Obviously with covid in 2020 that is difficult but there are solid online broadcasts from good pastors/teachers online to watch and learn from. I've been a moderator before on a forum 15-20 years ago but I don't like babysitting the behavior of others and policing them which is what happens most of the time.

hope this helps !!!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

This Forum's Mods ....I have found the majority of them to be patient, considerate, helpful.
Recently my "other" Macbook Pro died and so there goes my password to this site.
I was not able to get the "password reset link" to work, so, the Mod's here helped me with this, so that i could begin again to do what i do.

Recently i ran into a wall here, when teaching about the "cult of Mary".
I showed photos of the Pope kissing and worshiping plastic Mary's.
I taught directly from Catholic Doctrine, regarding this term "cult of Mary" that was Created by early Catholic Church Father's.
I rejected for 3 weeks, a very aggressive Catholic's typical heretical Catholic Ideas, and i denied them as truth, which impugn'd their Cult.
I ran into a wall for stating that the CC is a cult, as this rubs against the TOS here, that states that we are not allowed to call out a Cult.
So, that TOS point needs to be revised, but other then that, this place is not all about Hyper Calvinism, and its not every other Thread this is denying God's Grace.
So, thats GOOD.

My “ take” on the Catholic Church is that I know and love many Catholics ...it’s their Doctrine that I loathe . It contains so many obvious Additions to Paul’s Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing That all that adhere to it are “ Fallen From Grace”—- they do not know what that means and are oblivious to it anyway. Intelligent Bible teachers disagree as to what ‘ falling from Grace” entails . Does it mean walking a crippled Walk Of Faith it does it mean that one is Damned ? Beats me. Why gamble though? Don’t ADD to the Gospel! It’s Nothing But The Blood for Salvation....

 

[marks]

You have effectively destroyed that person's right to freedom of speech.

Not everyone is supposed to be teachers. Freedom of speech is something we talk about as what we like to do in this country, but we don't have an individual "right" to be teachers of God's Word.

Much love!

 

[marks]

If anyone denies the Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ, they are not a brother in Christ and will die in their sins (John 8:24).

You don't think that we can be saved even with limited understanding? Won't God receive all who come to Him in sincerity, even if they don't get everything right? Can't He then go on to instruct them?

Much love!

 

[ChristisGod]

You don't think that we can be saved even with limited understanding? Won't God receive all who come to Him in sincerity, even if they don't get everything right? Can't He then go on to instruct them?

Much love!

can the JW's jesus save them since he is a created being and not God ?

 

[marks]

can the JW's jesus save them since he is a created being and not God ?

Only Jesus saves, of course.

You can't cut down a piece of a tree, carve it, cover it in gold, and say, Teach me! Save me!

But you can look at that tree . . . look at the night sky, and see the stars, and know, know in your heart Someone made all of that! And to the One Who made all that, I want You!

Will God cast them aside?

Much love!!

 

[ChristisGod]

Only Jesus saves, of course.

You can't cut down a piece of a tree, carve it, cover it in gold, and say, Teach me! Save me!

But you can look at that tree . . . look at the night sky, and see the stars, and know, know in your heart Someone made all of that! And to the One Who made all that, I want You!

Will God cast them aside?

Much love!!

then it sounds like a person can believe whatever they want about jesus and be saved, it doesn't matter one bit that He is God or not.

 

[marks]

can the JW's jesus save them since he is a created being and not God ?

I think Mormans and Jehovah's Witness's and all the rest can be born again, have been born again, from incomplete and sometimes erroneous ideas, and sometimes quickly, and sometimes slowly, change their understandings.

I think you gave a list of what you consider the essentials for salvation, does anyone really hit all these bars when they first confess their sin? Does someone have to be able to identify and define the Hypostatic Union to be saved? Or is it, All who call upon the Name of the Lord?

Hm. I just realized this is the newest OSAS thread.

Just the same, I do love you, and hope that in some way I can be conveying a gift to you!

Mark

 

[marks]

then it sounds like a person can believe whatever they want about jesus and be saved, it doesn't matter one bit that He is God or not.

That's not what I said. Those are your words, please do not ascribe them to me.

Much love!

 

[ChristisGod]

I think Mormans and Jehovah's Witness's and all the rest can be born again, have been born again, from incomplete and sometimes erroneous ideas, and sometimes quickly, and sometimes slowly, change their understandings.

I think you gave a list of what you consider the essentials for salvation, does anyone really hit all these bars when they first confess their sin? Does someone have to be able to identify and define the Hypostatic Union to be saved? Or is it, All who call upon the Name of the Lord?

Hm. I just realized this is the newest OSAS thread.

Just the same, I do love you, and hope that in some way I can be conveying a gift to you!

Mark

Matthew 7:21 - what Lord are you talking about, you should heed Jesus words.

He will be telling many that I never knew you !

what on earth are ALL the warning in the bible concerning false christs and false teachers for ?

if what you say is true then so is universalism since you can believe whatever you want about jesus and be saved.

instead of all dogs go to heaven, its all cults go to heaven

I've heard it all now.