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You used an example of faith, and then contradicted your own example.
What "protection" did those three men have against the furnace ? THey knew not whether God would protect them or not -
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they said even if we die, we will not deny God.
The viruses? Why worry? Oh, yes: "For lack of knowledge" >> even God's People Perish for this.
So gain knowledge. Do not remain without knowledge. Find out what the Jews did during the famous black plague in Europe, and their homes , their families , were spared. Find out what Linus Pauling got a Nobel Prize for. Find out what hospitals in New York, and clinics in Europe, and hospitals in western China, have published effective against viruses.
Trust Jesus . Follow Jesus, no matter where He leads.
Do Christians have a duty to obey the civil authorities?
Do Christians have a duty to care for others, particularly those who are vunerable?
There is a virus around that takes five (5) days for symptoms to develop, but surfing those five days one is infectious.
There is no over the counter test to determine whether one has the virus let alone whether one is infectious with it.
So it is highly irresponsible to carry on meeting in church, at sports events or even socially.
Your church will have the technology to do a service I've the internet.
Don't Panic buy, run off a'do you need help and contact number' leaflet and distribution to vunerable neighbours.
Arrange a help group through church for your vunerable members.
We are not in a situation like Daniel, no one is banning worship of God. Though any church that does continue to meet can expect to be closed because of its stupid ignoring of health and hygiene requirements.
What does this have to do with your own contradiction , after using an example of faith that was true ?
Since the so-called 'authorities' have not told people the truth, about sickness, health, etc , where will you turn to find the truth ?
May I suggest you investigate how Christians behaved during plagues that struck ancient Rome?
Yes.
And before then, in Egypt (Ekklesia of God).
And after then, in the USA and other countries.
oh, not the "worldly" brand of imitation Christians in Christendom, but the real ones, in Jesus, in Christendom or not.
As Christians we have a duty to obey the civil authorities. We only disobey when they order us to break God's laws.
We are not here to judge whether the government is telling the truth or not.
That is THE SAME MESSAGE the gestapo in nazi gemany told the soldiers when they slaughtered millions of innocents.
That is THE SAME MESSAGE the gestapo in rome told the soldiers when they slaughtered cities and towns full of even their own people.
No it what Paul wrote in Romans about obeying the authorities, giving respect and paying taxes.
Rather, in line with God's Word, find out HOW the true believers in the past, were not affected by the plagues, when that was so.
At other times, they were affected, due to their sin or lack of knowledge (is lack of knowledge a sin?) ....
Today, believers and unbelievers are perishing for lack of knowledge - for putting their trust in that which deceives them also.
You would think so, huh? But the way you put it, the way you defend the error of the politicians, is wrong, and is NOT God's direction anywhere.
The early Church was scattered due to persecution (they weren't fearless). Relief efforts were made for the famine victims in Jerusalem (they weren't impervious to suffering). Many martyrs died (although glorifying to Jesus, still untimely and unfortunate). Many Christians died from plagues, robbers, jihads, drunk drivers, accidents, etc...
Joseph, if you are going to tell people to risk their lives, you better tell them how, rather than just saying 'have faith'. God does not want us tempting Him either.
Online , free, pdf format: Foxes Book of Martyrs. (this is just for examples of true believers, in line with all the true believers in Scripture.....)
Since most people have not seen them, it is very awkward at best referring to them in a way that can be understood by the hearers, and then only if the hearers are willing (seeking God's Kingdom).
You got me there! ...but, I just meant many faithful men died due to persecution. Their faith, didn't necessarily protect them. Complicated I know, but the thousands under Nero, Domitian, Decius, Diocletion, Bloody Mary, Huegenots, Ottoman Empire... Some, I'm sure, would have preferred not to die (they weren't even asked to recant).I'm almost positive all the martyrs died.
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Agree, Jesus did.
Matt 22 "Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's."
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