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well first i don't let other ppl define what is law and what is not; imo keeping the law does not mean "you have to do what _____ says." And so on. Tbh i think we are dealing with more than one definition of "Law" here...
perfectly, from birth, sure, but that does not disallow that someone could come to that state after maturing, in grace. i know ppl that have not overtly sinned in a long time, for instance. I suspect this attitude is often a reaction to some lawlessness that you (one) want to continue to participate in, and don't want to admit to being hurtful to others, or at least as often some activity that has been deemed "sin" by some body that you (the common you here; i doubt you sin much tbh) do not feel is sinful at all? Which might very well be the case?
i will counsel that to follow Christ i must keep the law, yes. Not a jot or tittle removed. But over that i would apply grace, meaning i am not "under the law," i am not relying on the law to protect me if you sin against me, iow.
Ah yes, my wife gets after me for that. When the speed limit is posted at 65MPH I have set my cruise control or my foot so that I do not exceed that by even 1MPH. She favors the idea that most cops won't pull you over if you don't exceed it by more than 5MPH and wants to go that much over the limit. Over the years she really has not moved much closer to my take on it, as she still holds onto that little bit of excess. My best response to her arguments is that when I married her she had never driven a car. I had to teach her so she could get her first driver's license and as her teacher I should be obeyed. Of course things are never so simple as that, are they?
Absolutely, and some cops used to [still do?] pull you over for going too slow when your inhibited the regular flow of traffic even if you were going right at the speed limit. Hmmm?
We all sin as I said, it not just the physical its even in thought, and anyone who claims to not sin has sinned because that is a lie, so we just live with Grace, like a child that poohs there nappy, you dont beat them up because they do, or when they put there hand in teh flame after you told them its not a good thing to do, there will be a day,
ya, but of course he won't be there to pay your next ticket though i guess lol.
i suggest that perspective is being taken advantage of there; "all" allows ppl to assume "all at once."
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Cool, a sinner just like teh rest of us. Lets leave it at that. These law things can go on forever.
i agree that once the foundation is laid, no need to dwell on it, yes. Unfortunately the relationship of grace to sin to law seems to have been extremely damaged by preachers handing out OSAS on a cookie and Get out of Jail Free Jesus cards imo.
Actually grace is built on sin, untill Moses there was no law, Love has always being in existence, and it is when you are "in Christ", that it all comes into none effect.
isn't that what i said?
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and the earth became void, and without form
The fruit of repentance is works, but repentance is really just changing one's mind and will away from sin and toward obedience to God. Paul's appeals to repentance were given to people steeped in idolatrous and immoral practices, much like modern peoples. Paul's preaching on salvation through faith alone was directed primarily at Jews who were insistent upon observation of the law. If you look closely at the book of acts you'll find that the early church council in Jerusalem issued letters to the churches in response to this division stating that all they expected of the gentile churches was that they obstain from sexual immorality and meats sacrificed to idols, the former of which remains problematic to this day. Repentance, like sanctification, is a work of the Holy Spirit in that it is only the Holy Spirit that brings conviction of sin, and obedience to God is contrary to our fallen nature (we are at enmity with God until we surrender to His will.)
I think you might reconsider your view if you understood that there are 3 forms of repentance: 1) change of mind, 2) change of heart/soul, and 3) change of behavior. The one that faith along leaves out and which leads you away from OSAS is the change of heart. If you believe the gospel, you have changed your mind but not your heart. The way you change your heart is first, realize that you are still a sinner at heart and that you have to turn from your sin natured heart and sin guilty conscience when you were "lord" of your life (Ro 12:1, 2Cor 10:5, Col 3:9-10, Eph 4:24) and turn to letting God be Lord of your life. You see, we believe He is Savior, we also need to trust Him as Lord to do His work in us through regeneration of the Holy Ghost (Titus 3:5).
This is called justification. Then He will begin to guide you as you already understand it into faithfulness to Him.
What you are describing is repentance to yourself, michael. Do you see that? You are committing to yourself to change. What that amounts to is saying that you can save yourself. No, you have to repent to God because you can't turn from sin and be obedient to God in your own power. It can't be one of these things where God "gives" you repentance and there is no interaction or cooperation with God necessary to accomplish it.
You mean like we are, no? Were you not a sinner and idolatrous? No, we all need to repent, turn our hearts around from self to God through Christ.
i would be rebounding to the same ppl that i confessed my sin to, and neither of these is God wadr.
