Pictures of Christ 2 returns...

[Douggg]

That's wrong.

Prophecy that Christian saints would be killed during the Great Tribulation:

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

The Great Tribulation is Satan's wrath which targets Christians:

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath , because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed , which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


The Christian saints killed during Satan's wrathful Great Tribulation:

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them : and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.


The Christian saints killed during Satan's wrathful Great Tribulation are resurrected:

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God , and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.






Did you miss this one?

Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

That is not the great tribulation. The great tribulation will affect all who live on the earth.

 

[Douggg]

The Christian saints killed during Satan's wrathful Great Tribulation are resurrected:

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God , and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

You don't show the resurrection of the martyred great tribulation saints on your chart.

 

[ewq1938]

You don't show the resurrection of the martyred great tribulation saints on your chart.

I already addressed this.

 

[ewq1938]

That is not the great tribulation.

Yes it is.

The great tribulation will affect all who live on the earth.

Everyone knows that.

 

[Douggg]

 

[rebuilder 454]

Revelation 20:
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Ok, you know where that timing came from???
A modern English translation, that is worded "...and they came to life and ...."
THAT IS NOT IN THE GREEK.

You and others attempt to make the timing of a resurrection of a few martyrs between the second coming ( end of the 7 yr trib, and premil).
It is not there at all.
Rev 20 IS POINTING TO THE MARTYRS PREVIOSLY RESURRECTED DURING THE TRIB.

Your model has them without bodies, in heaven, DURING THE TRIB , AND DURING THE MARRIAGE SUPPER.

THERE ARE NO DISEMBODIED SAINTS AT THE MARRIGE SUPPER.

Your model does not understand the timing.

 

[rebuilder 454]

That's Pretrib. It is not biblical since the bible places the rapture after the trib has ended and all endtimes tribulation passages has the church being persecuted and killed in the trib.

Post a verse stating a postrib rapture.
Just one if you can find it.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Revelation 20:
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Now look at the rest of it.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

See that?
That" first resurrection" is ALL THE SAINTS

" They" shall be priests of God. ( all the saints)
"They" shall reign with him a thousand years. ( all the saints)
"He who has part" ( all the saints)

 

[Douggg]

Rev 20 IS POINTING TO THE MARTYRS PREVIOSLY RESURRECTED DURING THE TRIB.

No, the resurrection of the great tribulation martyrs is called the first resurrection in Revelation 20:5 - of the millennium period.

 

[rebuilder 454]

No, the resurrection of the great tribulation martyrs is called the first resurrection in Revelation 20:5 - of the millennium period.

Nope.
It will not fly.
Read verse 6.
Under your model only the martyrs are priests, and reign.
Plus you have disembodied spirits eating at the wedding supper.
It Can not happen.

 

[A Watchman]

Hi Watchman, did you make the timeline/chart/table ?

The chart has all of the time framed events in the second half. I don't think that is correct.

Also, the chart does not show the time, times, half time expressions.

Here is the chart/table I made of all 15 end times time expressions in the bible.

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Yes, it's part of a larger and more detailed chart. It actually does show the 3.5 times in referencing the scriptures for one line that covers all the same thing. Daniel 7:25 and Daniel 12:5-11 are in the yellow line of 42 months representing the wrath of the Dragon and hour of temptation. Revelation 12:14 wasn't written due to space, but I added it.

This thread being about two pictures of Christ's return, your chart only shows one return at the end. How would you explain the distinctly different depictions? When Yeshua returns in the time you have noted, it's from heaven with His wife following the marriage to Armageddon after the wrath of God is completed. His clothing displays the evidence of Him treading the winepress of the wrath of God.

Isaiah 63:1-6 – "Who [is] this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this [that is] glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save. Wherefore [art thou] red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat? I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people [there was] none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment. For the day of vengeance [is] in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come. And I looked, and [there was] none to help; and I wondered that [there was] none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me. And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth."

He returns before Armageddon as well, to tread the winepress of the wrath of God alone. He's also the only one who could break the seals and open the scroll after which the trumpet, thunder, and bowl judgements of God take place. This is the wrath of God beginning the day of the Lord. But He doesn't just come for that purpose, He must first remove His bride from the earth, the destination of His wrath, and save His faithful remnant of Israel out of the unparalleled time of Jacob's trouble in Judea.

They are then protected in the wilderness for 1,260 days, or 3.5 times. The whole 70th week is appointed for them and ends when they leave the wilderness into the promised land under Yeshua's reign from Jerusalem. That all happens at Armageddon at the end of the week, so 1,260 days before the end of the week is the middle of the week when He saves them. Meaning His return where He steps on the Mount of Olives and splits it so they can flee through it from the Dragon's flood is in the middle of the week too. That's also when He saves His bride.

So I don't understand why you separated Revelation 12:6 in the first half of the week and Revelation 12:14 in the second half. Your comments for these add what is not in scripture. You interpret the below as Israel being fed the Word of God in the first half.

Revelation 12:6 – "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days."

She is fed in the wilderness, but that's not where Israel goes until she is taken there out of the Dragon's persecution of her that begins at the abomination of desolation when Yeshua warns to run to the mountains in they are in Judea. It's also where John sees her protected from the Dragon for the 3.5 times. It also doesn't say what she is fed, but given her sudden and unprepared fleeing, and verse 14 speaking of her nourishment, it would seem more logical for this to be mortal sustenance.

You have Revelation 12:14 as Satan's persecution, but the 3.5 times is explicitly apart from Satan's persecution after she had been in it and was saved out of it by fleeing in a second Exodus.

Revelation 12:14 – "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."

I'm not sure why you have these split into the two halves, but your chart doesn't seem correct to me based on my understanding of scripture.

Also, the 1,290 days begins with the abomination of desolation, which is also the beginning of the Beast's reign. Since the abomination of desolation is in the midst of the week, yet is part of the 70th week, it should be about 30 days before the exact middle, ending at the end of the week. This keeps the abomination of desolation in the midst of the week and allows for the Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:5-11, Revelation 13:5-7 persecution starting at the abomination of desolation as well as the 1,260 day protection from the Dragon after that unparalleled time of Jacob's trouble in Judea, all remaining in the 70th week. My chart shows this 30 days prior to the exact middle and 30 days prior to the exact end with 1,230 days in the middle representing the second phase of the great tribulation, when the Dragon's power through his Beast spreads from Judea through the whole world, the great tribulation those foolish virgins shut out of the marriage, Matthew 25:1-13, will be cast into. Revelation 2:22

 

[A Watchman]

I agree. It is best not to use the term "tribulation". Use either 70th week or 7 years instead.

There is also no indication in scripture that the coming of the Lord and our gathering to him occurs prior to the 70th week or 7 years. In fact, both Yeshua and Paul agree on the sequence of these two events beginning.

Matthew 24:15-16, 21-22, 29-31 – "[Tribulation of those days] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: ... For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. [Tribulation of those days] ... Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

Yeshua clearly indicates the unparalleled time of Jacob's trouble in Judea, the first phase of the Dragon's wrath on God's people (great tribulation), is cut short by His coming at the sixth seal. This means technically and objectively according to scripture the abomination of desolation and the start of the great tribulation is before Christ's return. This doesn't cover all aspects expounded on in other scripture, but the resurrection of 1 Corinthians 15 and catching up of 1 Thessalonians 4 are both events that lead to the gathering of the elect from one end of heaven to the other to meet the Lord in the air over Jerusalem. This is where He returns to save His people out of the unparalleled time of Jacob's trouble in Judea. He does so by returning as He left, Acts 1:9-11, standing on the Mount of Olives and splitting it for them to flee Judea into the wilderness and then swallowing the Dragon's army that goes after them, just like the Exodus only with the earth instead of the sea this time. But Yeshua's not the only one explicit about this.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-5 – "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. [Abomination of desolation] Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?"

Note that this is addressed to the church in Thessalonica, the church. The coming of the Lord and our gathering to Him on the day of Christ is explicitly preceded by apostasy, falling away, and the abomination of desolation. These two things are tied together because just as Israel played the harlot in her past, going after false gods, they are presented with another false god who has emerged out of almost 3.5 years of deception leading Israel to believe he was their Messiah. Not in the way Christians view the Messiah, as God, but in the way the Orthodox Jews look at the Messiah, as a man from the line of David who is not God.

So we have two witnesses in scripture written very plainly that what most everyone agrees happens in the midst of the week according to Daniel 9:27, the abomination of desolation, is also the time immediately after that Yeshua returns in glory, catches up His faithful bride, saves Israel into the wilderness out of Judea, and begins treading the winepress of the wrath of God after the 7th seal has been broken, one seal after the sixth when He arrived.

So in my mind using the 70th week or 7 years as a post-script to the rapture, whether you call it tribulation or not, is not consistent with scripture. Now that is the objective view, but each Christian around the world has a subjective view of this time as well because if you're not in Judea, then chances are you will never experience the great tribulation because the Dragon hasn't focused outside of Judea until the woman is protected from him.

Revelation 12:17 – "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Even that is going to take some time to implement globally, though most of the world will accommodate and be made drunk on the wine of the wrath of the Dragon and fornication with the Beast.

Since the woman is protected for the last 1,260 days of the 1,290 days, there is only at most 30 days from the abomination of desolation to the return of Yeshua. Meaning that for 99% of Christians around the world, while the great tribulation has objectively begun, subjectively it has not affected any of those not in Judea yet. And because Yeshua's return both gathers the church and ends the first phase of the great tribulation in Judea, Christians will escape the hour of temptation, Revelation 3:10, while the unfaithful foolish virgins shut out of the marriage will be cast into great tribulation by being left behind. Revelation 2:22

This agrees with all of scripture and explains how the church escapes while they are also going through great tribulation, because only 50% of those calling themselves Christians have an actual relationship with Yeshua by His Spirit. Matthew 25:1-13 Many will give up their eternal inheritance for a bit of food to survive or to save their mortal lives, but in so doing they will lose their eternal lives. This is the importance of honest relationship with God and obedience to His command to love God and your neighbor as yourself, to pick up our cross and follow Him, dying to self to give to others as He died for us all to live with Him.

 

[Douggg]

Nope.
It will not fly.
Read verse 6.
Under your model only the martyrs are priests, and reign.
Plus you have disembodied spirits eating at the wedding supper.
It Can not happen.

Revelation 20:6 does not say that the great tribulation martyrs will be the only priests.

I don't where you are getting the idea that disembodied spirits eating at the wedding supper of the Lamb.

The birds of Revelation 19-17-18 are the ones doing the eating, Revelation 19:21 the fowls (birds) will be filled by eating the flesh of the all armies that gather to make war on Jesus and his army in Revelation 19:19.

 

[Douggg]

There is also no indication in scripture that the coming of the Lord and our gathering to him occurs prior to the 70th week or 7 years.

We don't know the day nor hour that the resurrection/rapture will take place. What Jesus told us to do is watch - be ready.

 

[Douggg]

This thread being about two pictures of Christ's return, your chart only shows one return at the end. How would you explain the distinctly different depictions?

The two pictures in the opening posts of this thread depicted the resurrection/rapture (picture 1)
and then Jesus's return later (picture 2). I agree with that concept.

So I don't understand why you separated Revelation 12:6 in the first half of the week and Revelation 12:14 in the second half. Your comments for these add what is not in scripture. You interpret the below as Israel being fed the Word of God in the first half.

The 1260 days of the two witnesses testimony of Revelation 11:3 will be in the first half. They will be warning the Jews not to trust in their King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah - the Antichrist.

The 1260 days of Revelation 12:6 has Israel being fed. Fed the Word of God by the two witnesses. In the wilderness is metaphoric for their state of being unsaved.

On my chart, I grouped (and color coded) all the like time expressions together.

 

[Douggg]

Since the abomination of desolation is in the midst of the week, yet is part of the 70th week, it should be about 30 days before the exact middle, ending at the end of the week

There is 1290 days and 1335 days associated with the abomination of desolation.

The end of the 7 years (the 70th week) is on day 2520 (7 x 360 days).

So subtract 1335 days from days 2520 to get day 1185 that the abomination of desolation will be set-up.

Then from day 1185, count forward 1290 days till something. We are not told anywhere specifically what that something is.

I conclude the something to be the sign of the Son of Man appearing in heaven, the sixth seal event. To happen on day 2475 (1185 + 1290). 45 days before Jesus returns.

Here is my chart of it. This is fairly easy to understand.

 

[A Watchman]

We don't know the day nor hour that the resurrection/rapture will take place. What Jesus told us to do is watch - be ready.

That doesn't speak to the year, season, or month. There are many signs that must come to pass before Yeshua returns, we must watch for those signs and be ready for sure.

 

[A Watchman]

The two pictures in the opening posts of this thread depicted the resurrection/rapture (picture 1)
and then Jesus's return later (picture 2). I agree with that concept.


The 1260 days of the two witnesses testimony of Revelation 11:3 will be in the first half. They will be warning the Jews not to trust in their King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah - the Antichrist.

The 1260 days of Revelation 12:6 has Israel being fed. Fed the Word of God by the two witnesses. In the wilderness is metaphoric for their state of being unsaved.

On my chart, I grouped (and color coded) all the like time expressions together.

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Yes, I'm just saying your chart doesn't indicate two, just the one at the end.

If the two witnesses die between the second and third woe that happen in the middle of the second half of the week, how could their ministry start at the beginning of the week if it's only 1,260 days? I agree they will be warning and giving their witness, but if they die in the midst of the second half, then they must arrive in the midst of the first half.

And if the two witnesses are feeding Israel the Word, which it doesn't say, and they don't arrive until the midst of the first half, then it doesn't fit to have them being fed from the start of the week. Furthermore, it is a subjective interpretation that being in the wilderness meaning their state of being unsaved. That's not what is suggested by the words.

Revelation 12:6, 14 – "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed [G5142 trepho] her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days. ... And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished [G5142 trepho] for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."

Of the six other times trepho is used it's the Father feeding the birds, whether or not we feed or give drink to the poor, where Yeshua grew up, Herod nourishing another country, and fulfilling the selfish desires of the heart to nourish it in wickedness.

This all speaks to the woman being taken to a place in the wilderness where God gives her sustenance to survive the 1,260 days she spends there having not prepared anything, like the birds that the Father provides for, and are we not much better than they?

As things move into the metaphorical they become easily manipulated to say what we want them to say. Yes there is plenty of symbolism in prophecy, but most of the time that is clearly defined elsewhere in prophecy and the more we take God at His Word, the less we inject our words/ideas into His. I prefer to stick as close to the meaning plainly written to arrive at my conclusions, always willing to set aside my error when corrected by the Word of God.

I think you should add your view of Christ's coming at the resurrection/rapture to your chart. Since you added the second one, it would be helpful to clarify you see a first one.

 

[A Watchman]

There is 1290 days and 1335 days associated with the abomination of desolation.

The end of the 7 years (the 70th week) is on day 2520 (7 x 360 days).

So subtract 1335 days from days 2520 to get day 1185 that the abomination of desolation will be set-up.

Then from day 1185, count forward 1290 days till something. We are not told anywhere specifically what that something is.

I conclude the something to be the sign of the Son of Man appearing in heaven, the sixth seal event. To happen on day 2475 (1185 + 1290). 45 days before Jesus returns.

Here is my chart of it. This is fairly easy to understand.

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Daniel 12:11 – "And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days."

I believe it's from the abomination of desolation that there is 1,290 days, providing the end point of the 70th week 1,290 days after the abomination of desolation. In Daniel 12:7 he's told that it's 3.5 times when the power of the holy people being scattered will be accomplished, starting from the abomination of desolation when that scattering begins. It is after he asks for clarification that the 1,290 days are introduced from the same abomination of desolation, showing 30 days from the end of his reign at the time of Yeshua's return, Revelation 19:20, and the end of the 1,260 days of Israel's protection in the wilderness, the end of the week. The 70th week is appointed to Israel and Jerusalem, it's that combination that defines the week's length and Jerusalem will be destroyed by the time of Yeshua's return and Israel will have 30 days left in the wilderness. He will rebuild Jerusalem over the ashes of the harlot city. Zechariah 14:9-11

Daniel 12:12-13 – "Blessed [is] he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. But go thou thy way till the end [be]: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days."

The blessing 45 days after the end of the 1,290 days is tied to Daniel standing in his lot a the end of the days, an extension of the 1,290 days for another 45.

Israel is still in the wilderness 1,260 days after being saved out of the unparalleled time of Jacob's trouble in Judea, which began at the abomination of desolation. The end of this period is the end of the 70th week when they exit the wilderness and enter into the promised land. 45 days later, with all of Israel having come into the land, Daniel will stand in his lot as will all the tribes of Israel in the land alloted to them under the King's ownership of the land as given in the Abrahamic Covenant. Genesis 15:18-21

I believe the blessing for those who wait those 45 days is tied to the blessing for those called to the marriage supper of the Lamb. The marriage is in heaven, but the wedding feast after is on the earth, where the bride and groom are presented to the guests.

Revelation 19:9 – "And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God."

So I think the 1,290 days is from the abomination of desolation to the end of the 70th week, allowing for Israel to be attacked by the Dragon, but also be protected from him for 1,260 days in the wilderness. They leave the wilderness into the promised land where the Messiah is reigning from Jerusalem and travel to the marriage supper where they meet their Messiah and His wife and enter into their inheritance in their King's land.

 

[Douggg]

Yes, I'm just saying your chart doesn't indicate two, just the one at the end.

That particular chart/table of mine does not have the resurrection/rapture event on it. That particular char/table is of the end times events have time frames attached to them. Here is again.

If the two witnesses die between the second and third woe that happen in the middle of the second half of the week, how could their ministry start at the beginning of the week if it's only 1,260 days? I agree they will be warning and giving their witness, but if they die in the midst of the second half, then they must arrive in the midst of the first half.

The two witnesses don't die between the second and third woe. What the second woe will be is revealed in Revelation 9.13-21. Speaking about the woes is then suspended (to resume in Revelation 11:14)....

Revelation 10 begins with John being given a little book to eat and begin to prophesy again. So fresh prophecies begin in Revelation 11 about the two witnesses and their activities that end in Revelation 11:13.

Then in Revelation 11:14, speaking about the woes resumes....

What the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth is revealed in Revelation 12:12, Satan cast down to earth resulting in him being angry knowing that his time is short (a time, times, half time).

Here is a chart of mine that covers everything I wrote above...