No not all of the time. But "pray unceasingly" and that I do A LOT, means I don't want to go looking for it every 15 minutes and then take it off again.
That part is just practicality
Please Argue with me about Head Coverings
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That part is just practicality
Hidden In Him
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Y'all are making my head feel so super dishonored right now. Cut it out.
Go cover your head, LoL!
Agreed, but now what happens now that society no longer observes the custom? You're not particularly egregious with it as I recall. It looked more like just a scarf type thing; an ornamentation. But look at how Muslim women are looked at now in our society in the West. I can rarely even get them to make eye-contact because they are so used to being frowned upon I believe.
Head coverings in our society today make one look weird and abnormal instead of normal and proper and godly, which changes matters somewhat.
@Mayflower Well, one year at Halloween I posted a video about carving pumpkins...(my wife's favorite flavor, by the way)...and....
Someone objected to the video about carving pumpkins because... the lady doing the carving had some tattoos....
(You can't win, right?)
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I understand your historical interpretation, but do you understand the actual outright purpose of the covering in spiritual terms?
I understand your historical interpretation, but do you understand the actual outright purpose of the covering in spiritual terms?
Hidden In Him
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It goes back to a proper understanding of marriage, and that the husband is to reflect Christ to his wife, while the wife is to reflect the church to her husband. The head covering was an outward symbol and reminder of this agreement, whereby she was publicly pronouncing by wearing it that she was under the authority of her husband, just as he was under the authority of Christ, and Christ under God.
Lambano
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Au contraire, katakalupto is verb, indicating the act of covering, not the covering itself.
But let's approach this from 1 Corinthians 11:2 in which Paul refers to these instructions as a paradosis, a tradition. A tradition, not a command. Judge for yourself, says verse 13. (Why is this verse here?) Jesus was pretty adamant about not turning traditions into commandments. But again, it's a matter of conscience, and if your conscience says wear a hat, make it a pretty one.
[Okay, maybe a baseball hat would be more practical for non-church situations.]
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Waiting on him
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Waiting on him
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1 Corinthians 9:5 KJV
[5] Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
I can put a mask on my head. I have one of those.
(okay y'all. I put my two cents in and joked a little bit, I'll just read along. I honestly don't know too much to post about it. I don't believe God looks at the outward appearance of a man though, but he looks at the heart (1 Samuel 16:7)@FluffyYellowDuck I suppose an (oblique) analogy would be, if say (hypothetically) your son wore ear studs and some hypertraditionalist tried to tell him that all the women can wear earrings in church but not any men, then the idea of an earring rack for the men at the back of the church would just be totally impractical....
Right, and not to shame him by throwing her own glory before God, and mans glory, which is the woman.
The man is the glory of God, but woman came of the man.
so we also believe that the woman who covers her hair, her glory, before coming to the throne, she willingly does what the fallen angels did not.
Hidden In Him
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I can put a mask on my head. I have one of those.
Reminds me of the terrible extremes some people have gone to to avoid covid.
Waiting on him
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Rebecca placed her veil apon seeing Isaac it was her suggestion that he would be her covering, her head. So he took her into Sarah’s tent and consummated the marriage.
I do like the point about willingness and humility; this begins in the heart...
I guess it would be hard to take this practical analogy too far today....
@Mayflower Thanks for the 'like'; I guess @FluffyYellowDuck 's comment also ties in with your Psalm 111 post on the other thread about the fear of the Lord.
Aunty Jane
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To my understanding, Paul’s argument on the need for a head covering is based on the principle of theocratic headship, which he stated at 1 Corinthians 11:3: “The head of every man is the Christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man; in turn the head of the Christ is God.” So the head covering becomes necessary for a woman when she is performing some function or duty that normally should be performed by her husband or by a dedicated Christian brother, and that she is performing in a temporary way or due to special circumstances. It shows that she is not usurping his headship.
The important thing is not the head covering in itself, but the heart attitude and proper theocratic conscience of the woman wearing it. She appreciates that this is God’s arrangement, and wears the head covering primarily out of respect for God and His arrangement of things as far as the sexes are concerned. God has assigned the man his role as family head, but this is headship and should not be confused with dictatorship. It only means that he has responsibilities towards his wife and family members under his roof.....it is not a position of power, though some have seen it this way.
In Genesis the woman was created as a "complement" of the man....meaning that the two made up a partnership, neither of which was balanced without the other.
A woman can have a good conscience in this matter only if, besides wearing the head covering at the appropriate time, she has a wholesome respect for the one whose headship is being honored by it.
My 2c worth....
The important thing is not the head covering in itself, but the heart attitude and proper theocratic conscience of the woman wearing it. She appreciates that this is God’s arrangement, and wears the head covering primarily out of respect for God and His arrangement of things as far as the sexes are concerned. God has assigned the man his role as family head, but this is headship and should not be confused with dictatorship. It only means that he has responsibilities towards his wife and family members under his roof.....it is not a position of power, though some have seen it this way.
In Genesis the woman was created as a "complement" of the man....meaning that the two made up a partnership, neither of which was balanced without the other.
A woman can have a good conscience in this matter only if, besides wearing the head covering at the appropriate time, she has a wholesome respect for the one whose headship is being honored by it.
My 2c worth....
Hidden In Him
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Well, I think the glory comes through the act of submission; that each is freely willing to submit, and so honor the one above him or her by doing so.
Well again, this seems to be suggesting that the woman's glory is her hair, whereas I think Paul was saying it was her submission. Under the above definition, all women would be responsible to hide their hair, i.e their glory.
What you are actually getting into with that teaching is that the beauty of women should be something they don't seek to flaunt, which is a separate thing, IMO; separate teaching. It is well-supported in scripture, however.
Hidden In Him
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You know, if "the appropriate time" here were during church services only, I really wouldn't have a problem with the custom being preserved. It's outside the church where I think we'd look too much like freaks.
