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  1. farouk

    farouk Well-Known Member

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    It's a basic truth of John chapter 3, isn't it?
     
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  2. marks

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    While I know these things happen, I prefer to not let details into my mind.

    I've learned that I need to keep strict control of what enters my mind.

    Much love!
     
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  3. Lady Crosstalk

    Lady Crosstalk Well-Known Member

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    I'm so sorry that happened to you, Marks. But I am sincerely glad that the Lord is taking it all on Himself and healing you. As you have noted a spiritual AND physical healing must take place when one has suffered childhood abuse.
     
  4. Lady Crosstalk

    Lady Crosstalk Well-Known Member

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    It is wise advice for all. Children today are often victimized by what they see on television.
     
  5. marks

    marks Well-Known Member

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    I don't watch much in the way of TV, only recorded media.

    Scientists say that the brain stores memories all the same way, whether real or contrived. Violence, terror, monsters, whatever, the brain takes it all in as real life. That's what they say anyway.

    Much love!
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    To be honest, the physical healing progresses with agonizing slowness. But the Spiritual, well, what can I say, this is what overcomes, even our faith. Trusting Jesus in this moment causes my life to be a beautiful and wondrous thing.

    And while this life experience has been very difficult to say the least, what I've learned, I believe I have an understanding of the flesh and how it functions, what the corruption of the flesh is, how it is so deceitful, and how we can - nuts and bolts stuff - control it. How the new creation has nothing to do with the old, only that we live in that old body - for now.

    How we have the tools from God to live in triumph at all times, regardless of who or what or when.

    Much love!
     
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    Yeah.
    I was kinda wishing I had never read it.
    It'll take some time to get the pix out of my head.
     
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    GodsGrace Well-Known Member

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    It's OK.
    My point was that we're born again one time and have the experience once.
    If we fall away, we could come back to God..we do hear about these stories also.
     
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  9. marks

    marks Well-Known Member

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    Best to keep those things out.

    I find many people want to share with me details of terrible things, as if we need to know them, and maybe some do, but the way my mind works? I tend to remember every evil and terrible things that gets put in there.

    I think we need to conserve whatever innocence we have remaining.

    Much love!
     
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    AMEN!!
     
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    Thank you for the greetings Grailhunter.
    No I don’t know of anyone with these problems, if I knew of a child that was getting molested I’d report it to the authorities and have the molester arrested.
     
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  12. Lady Crosstalk

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    If it was a complete and genuine conversion, they will come back (with much grief over their sin and with the knowledge that they have grieved the Holy Spirit).
     
  13. Lady Crosstalk

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    In my work with women who were abused as children, I "saw" enough of that nightmare through their eyes, that I never want to volunteer to hear of any more. Surely the Lord is coming to put an end to the outrage of child abuse. I pray that it will be soon.
     
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    One other thing I'll add to what I was saying . . . I remain absolutely convinced that God has limited my life to what is needful for me to know God, and to have the most abundant and fruitful life possible.

    Much love!
     
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    @marks, sorry to hear what happened to you, truly sorry brother, you are a strong man, God be with you and watch over you.
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    Thank you!

    But I'm not very strong. But Jesus is very strong in me.

    Much love!
     
  17. justbyfaith

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    That would be the general fruit of the teacher...not a mess-up here or there. You who are contending for the idea that we all sin from time to time are certainly quick to judge when someone makes a one-time blunder. I said to you that I was referring to a general attitude among people of a certain opinion, that they tend to go to other translations because of itching ears. Now I did not, say, "you, Lady Crosstalk", though I did say you. That was a slip-up in communication on my part. I was not referring to you in particular, pointing the finger at you. But it was more of a general statement that carried over into my estimation of you; because I know that there are those who go to other translations because of itching ears: and in the heat of the moment I applied that to you. So, if it is not true of you, then I apologize. But I truly did mean it only as a general statement.

    Now there is a certain type of person, who thinks it is their job to identify false teachers, and who will jump at the first sign of any kind of sinful behaviour in a teacher's life. Usually these are the same people who excuse sin in their own lives and in the lives of anyone who is not a teacher of God's word, via the false doctrine of the inevitability of sin. So the hypocrisy is readily apparent, in that they immediately point the finger at the first fault of a teacher, while excusing their own sins and the sins of those who are not teachers through their doctrine.

    And yet, in the same breath that you say that I am not Christ-like over the "maligning of you", you exhibit the same un-Christ-like behaviour in maligning me (by saying that my behaviour is un-Christ-like; and that therefore I must be a false teacher because I am bearing bad fruit).

    People prayed. I was one of them. Also, it was very likely determined to be unconsitutional.

    Okay, now, I may be off-base to expect that people would take all of my posts into account when estimating what I believe in.

    I consider that I have laid a foundation in other posts within the past 5 months wherein I have taught on what I believe 1 John 3:9 really teaches. But since some of you may have missed what I said on the subject, I will repeat it here, just so you can get a more accurate account of what I believe in; and what I mean when I say certain things.

    Of course, when I say such things as what John said in 1 John 3:9, I am taken literally and am called to the carpet for my statements. When he says it, it is interpreted by the hearer as saying something other than what he actually said.

    I even do this; and have interpreted 1 John 3:9 as being a statement of hyperbole (exaggeration to make a point).

    So, when I say that we, as believers, do not sin; or that we cannot sin, I am also using hyperbole.

    The point that I (and John) would make by this statement is that when we repent and turn to Christ in faith, there is a 180-degree turn that is made from walking towards sin, death, and hell, towards righteousness, life, and heaven.

    We are not walking in the same direction any more; our lives have changed. I hold that 1 John 3:9 is saying exactly the same thing as 2 Corinthians 5:17.

    We are headed towards a new country, RIGHTEOUSNESS, and away from the old country, SIN.

    Now when we cross the boundary into the new country, we have left the old country.

    And I consider that the immediate result does not necessarily have to be physical death.

    Even once we have crossed the boundary into the new country, I consider that our righteousness will continue to increase.

    Pro 4:18, But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

    I consider that the moment we begin to head towards the new country, we are justified before the Lord; for we have made that 180-degree turn. We may still mess up from time to time; because we have not yet left the old country: nevertheless our direction has changed and this is what the Lord sees.

    There is a second benefit (2 Corinthians 1:15) awaiting those who are headed toward the new country, the moment they cross the boundary from the old country into the new. I do not believe that this second benefit = physical death.

    Some people give me the impression that in our quest for sanctification, the goal is to physically die.

    Because if you were to ever reach the goal of entire sanctification, in their estimation that means the Lord will immediately take you home.
     
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  18. Lady Crosstalk

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    That's good to know. I accept your apology. I made the false teacher statement about John Calvin. He was a murderer--I don't care how much his followers deny it.

    That wouldn't be me as I am always dismayed when I see the fall of mega church pastors because it gives fuel to the unbelievers to say, "See, see, all Christians are a bunch of hypocrites."

    That wouldn't be me either. If the sin in a church leader wasn't grossly obvious, how would any of us know about it? In the case of a certain mega church pastor, who I won't name, almost ANY MAN IN HIS CHURCH was likely much more obedient than he apparently was, while in the pulpit. Gambling trips to Las Vegas, fleecing the church out of millions upon millions, financial irregularities because he absolutely controlled the church's money and record of expenditures, making sexual advances on female staff members--the list goes on and on. There are definite New Testament criteria (see Titus and 1 Timothy) for the moral fiber of those who would lead a church--and he didn't meet any of them. But, he was good at making people laugh.



    I SAID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING connecting your un-Christ-like behavior with being a false teacher. You are mistaken. I was merely pointing out that you are not as sinless as you pretend to be. It was not "maligning" you at all--I was referring to an obvious moral fault of yours. Insinuating something about my character that you obviously could not know, is called slander. A moral failing to which I was pointing.



    Even though I am a Canadian, I pray regularly for the U.S. I pray for a great revival in N. America.
     
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    Sorry, I got your words mixed up. You may have indeed been talking about John Calvin; but it appeared that you were talking about me.

    You wrote:

    And in the very next post, you wrote:

    In your second post, I simply failed to see the quote of what you were responding to; and assumed that there was a continuity in what you were posting.

    In any case, your comment about John Calvin spilled over to include me because of how close these things were in context to each other.
     
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    justbyfaith Well-Known Member

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    Also, I do not pretend to be sinless. I will be the first one to call myself the chief of sinners to you.

    This may be a paradox in the word of the Lord; that it is a trustworthy saying to call ourselves the chief of sinners (1 Timothy 1:15): while at the same time the Lord promises that He will sanctify you wholly (1 Thess. 5:23-24 (kjv)).

    It can be hard to wrap your mind around.

    But I consider that the closer you get to Jesus in your walk with Him, the more aware you become of what is sinful within you.

    So it is a kind of paradox that the more holy I become, the less holy I will think myself to be.

    And if I think myself more holy, does that not mean that I am in all reality the less holy?

    So then, if I realize this, I will think myself less holy for that I am aware (as was Job) of the righteousness that the Lord has placed within me.
     
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