Postmillenial Partial Preterism...What is it? A Victorious View of the Gospel.

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The wicked soldiers and rulers destroying Jerusalem, like Nero. and committing the abomination that makes desolate, the temple destruction, follow that outline in Rev.12
(Nero) The Fulfillment Of Daniel 9:27 Below In Abominations And Desolation, "Not A Chance"

(Nero) Died Long Ago, The Figure Seen Below Will Be Present On Earth To The (Consummation) "The Ultimate End"

Your claim is in "Error", as you disregard the very clear scripture below

Daniel 9:24-27 represents a "Future" human man, that will cause "Abomination & Desolation" up to the very end "Consummation"

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation


1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signaturespecifically : the consummating of a marriage

2: the ultimate end : FINISH

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 
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Either the sun is blackened or it's not. Either it happens in a literal visable way, or it means something other than that. I say it means that. Apparently you say it does not. On my side, that's what it says happens, in the same way I would say, the hot dog fell off the table.

Is the language meant to be understand that way? Or something more esoteric?

Let me ask you . . . do you consider the Revelation to be an example of Hebrew Apocalyptic writting?

Much love!
I agree, it means exactly what is said literally, our literal sun and moon will be affected

Preterist symbolize to allow for their teaching to fit, because scripture shows the events are future

Preterist claim Matthew 24:29-31 as seen below isnt the future second coming of Jesus Christ, now that's a bunch of "Malarkey"

Matthew 24:29-31KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 

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The premillenial system I was first taught says; we lose down here, but then we win in the future.
Christians ha e been given eternal life, not only is that winning heaven, but it also gives us love, peace faith, hope, life in the full down here. I consider it a win - win situation in heaven and in earth, even though we must still contend with sin and live in a fallen world.
Mt24;
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Now The sun, moon and stars have had many meanings. In ancient civilizations, they were seen as the gods and goddesses. In the Bible, stars are symbolic for angels. The sun, moon and stars had a sense of permanence and so people likened them to God or angels. In Joseph's dream, he saw the sun, moon and eleven stars. Jacob understood that to mean his family were to bow down to Joseph. The sun, moon and stars in Rev. 12 describes a women (Israel) and the twelve tribes. Out of comes a child (Jesus). Catholics would say the women is Mary. The scripture may have multiple meanings - symbolic and literal as well. The point is symbolism evolves. What the stars meant to ancient civilizations mean something different today. Joseph's stars were his brothers. But in other scriptures they are angels. And sometimes they means stars. In Revelation, they fall from the sky. Too big to do that so it could be a meteor shower. The sum and moon not giving its light could be the result of the entire middle East at war and burning, smoke blocking out the sun, moon and stars light. And we have seen blood moons, they are orange/redish.
The wise men followed a star to Bethlehem. Was that symbolic? No, it wasn't a dream or prophetic vision it was a light in the sky. It probably was an angel or a planet because it moved through the sky. Jupiter does that every year and rests inside Virgo. And on rare occasions, Virgo has a crown of 12 stars around her head, clothed in the sun and the moon at her feet. So that is a literal rare constellation alignment.
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
The resurrection (rapture)

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood
A literal worldwide earthquake will happen that levels every building on the planet. Hid shakes the world and "the earth moves out if her place"
It is He who shakes the earth from its place, And its pillars tremble;" Job 9:6
Think about if a super volcanic eruption occurred. How well would you see the sun, moon or stars in that part of the world? Rev. 8:7
Smoke would block them out. describes 1/3 of the planet on fire, trees, grass, etc.

And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Meteor shower or missiles. These explanations could not be in the Bible, they did not have that knowledge.

And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
A nuclear bomb looks exactly like the clouds roll up like a scroll. A mushroom cloud it's called.
Again a worldwide earthquake is combined with this other eventm

And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Now they fear the Lord. When did that happen in history.

7 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Well, any believers left behind who survive.
 
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Did you ever get back to this?

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What if it's not? What if it is? What would God say if He wanted to describe the exact scenario being described?

Much love!

Just a reminder . . . not to tell you what to do . . . post with all those fonts and colors and bold and big text I skim right past. Too hard on the eyes.
Yeah marks I noticed that in your signature with the Greek letters you use 3 different colors so can't bother you that much if you use 3 different colors in your own signature sounds a little bit like an excuse not to deal with the material offered to say you skim right past it and then keep saying your own thing so I don't know I think you could when you go to respond to those posts you could change the font color in your response as you go line by line if you would like to
 

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Yeah marks I noticed that in your signature with the Greek letters you use 3 different colors so can't bother you that much if you use 3 different colors in your own signature sounds a little bit like an excuse not to deal with the material offered to say you skim right past it and then keep saying your own thing so I don't know I think you could when you go to respond to those posts you could change the font color in your response as you go line by line if you would like to
Gee, I forget I have a signature here, I have sigs turned off. Anyway, I think I remember what I did. Do you really think it's like your posts? No matter.

Make it an excuse, and ignore what I write, you are your own person.

Like I said, I'm not trying to control what you do . . . only telling you about me.

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Yeah marks I noticed that in your signature with the Greek letters you use 3 different colors so can't bother you that much if you use 3 different colors in your own signature sounds a little bit like an excuse not to deal with the material offered to say you skim right past it and then keep saying your own thing so I don't know I think you could when you go to respond to those posts you could change the font color in your response as you go line by line if you would like to
So . . . what would God say if in fact this were what He wanted to say?

Much love!
 

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A literal worldwide earthquake will happen that levels every building on the planet. Hid shakes the world and "the earth moves out if her place"
It is He who shakes the earth from its place, And its pillars tremble;" Job 9:6
Think about if a super volcanic eruption occurred. How well would you see the sun, moon or stars in that part of the world? Rev. 8:7
Smoke would block them out. describes 1/3 of the planet on fire, trees, grass, etc.
Or a large celestial body that passes between the sun and the earth during a lunar eclipse? For instance? The right size and distance, it would eclipse the sun, giving us a blackened sun, and blood red moon. Tidal effects could cause the worldwide earthquake, subsequent meteor showers would accound for a lot as well. And if it actually fell to the earth, what, something like a burning mountain cast into the sea?

I have no problem at all conceiving literal fulfillments. I think maybe some people read these things, and think to themself, "Oh that's ridiculous! It HAS to mean something else!"

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Notice the premill guys strain to try and force hyper literal fulfillments where none are available. Not one interacts with what was posted as if ignoring it will change what is posted.
 

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Either the sun is blackened or it's not. Either it happens in a literal visable way, or it means something other than that. I say it means that. Apparently you say it does not. On my side, that's what it says happens, in the same way I would say, the hot dog fell off the table.

Is the language meant to be understand that way? Or something more esoteric?

Let me ask you . . . do you consider the Revelation to be an example of Hebrew Apocalyptic writting?

Much love!
Scripture gives several examples of God coming in judgment,where He personally did not come to earth in a bodily form.
It was a literal coming to earth in judgment.
The same exact language was used then as it is in Mt.24. rev6
I have posted those verses. If you decide to skim over them and have no concern for how God has used the language that is between you and God.
I have posted those verses. you can examine them.
For someone who claims to.desire plain literal understanding,you change most of the words.
A star falling to earth, is a meteor,or shooting star.
that is not going to cause men to be terrified,we used to go outside as kids and watch those for fun.
The language of the moon turning to blood, you say it has a temporary color change to red?
The heaven rolling up like a scroll, you offer an excuse and not any viable explanation.
Trying to suggest an atomic bomb is foolish as the exact language was used in the day of isa.
Same exact language. Your attempt to force your literal ideas fails and it turns out the partial preterist remains consistently literal.
 
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[Or a large celestial body that passes between the sun and the earth during a lunar eclipse? For instance? The right size and distance, it would eclipse the sun, giving us a blackened sun, and blood red moon. Tidal effects could cause the worldwide earthquake, subsequent meteor showers would accound for a lot as well. And if it actually fell to the earth, what, something like a burning mountain cast into the sea?

I have no problem at all conceiving literal fulfillments. I think maybe some people read these things, and think to themself, "Oh that's ridiculous! It HAS to mean something else!"]


The fact is there were some literal fulfillments, most were not literally fulfilled,that is false.
It was answered on page 3 of this thread but you skipped past it
 

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Christians ha e been given eternal life, not only is that winning heaven, but it also gives us love, peace faith, hope, life in the full down here. I consider it a win - win situation in heaven and in earth, even though we must still contend with sin and live in a fallen world.

Now The sun, moon and stars have had many meanings. In ancient civilizations, they were seen as the gods and goddesses. In the Bible, stars are symbolic for angels. The sun, moon and stars had a sense of permanence and so people likened them to God or angels. In Joseph's dream, he saw the sun, moon and eleven stars. Jacob understood that to mean his family were to bow down to Joseph. The sun, moon and stars in Rev. 12 describes a women (Israel) and the twelve tribes. Out of comes a child (Jesus). Catholics would say the women is Mary. The scripture may have multiple meanings - symbolic and literal as well. The point is symbolism evolves. What the stars meant to ancient civilizations mean something different today. Joseph's stars were his brothers. But in other scriptures they are angels. And sometimes they means stars. In Revelation, they fall from the sky. Too big to do that so it could be a meteor shower. The sum and moon not giving its light could be the result of the entire middle East at war and burning, smoke blocking out the sun, moon and stars light. And we have seen blood moons, they are orange/redish.
The wise men followed a star to Bethlehem. Was that symbolic? No, it wasn't a dream or prophetic vision it was a light in the sky. It probably was an angel or a planet because it moved through the sky. Jupiter does that every year and rests inside Virgo. And on rare occasions, Virgo has a crown of 12 stars around her head, clothed in the sun and the moon at her feet. So that is a literal rare constellation alignment.

The resurrection (rapture)


A literal worldwide earthquake will happen that levels every building on the planet. Hid shakes the world and "the earth moves out if her place"
It is He who shakes the earth from its place, And its pillars tremble;" Job 9:6
Think about if a super volcanic eruption occurred. How well would you see the sun, moon or stars in that part of the world? Rev. 8:7
Smoke would block them out. describes 1/3 of the planet on fire, trees, grass, etc.


Meteor shower or missiles. These explanations could not be in the Bible, they did not have that knowledge.


A nuclear bomb looks exactly like the clouds roll up like a scroll. A mushroom cloud it's called.
Again a worldwide earthquake is combined with this other eventm


Now they fear the Lord. When did that happen in history.


Well, any believers left behind who survive.

We are not speaking of the pagan use of Sun,moon, and stars,but rather the biblical uses.
The heaven rolling up like a scroll is not an atomic bomb.
The exact language was used by Isa.,,,lol they had no nuclear weapons.
This is go avoid the biblical text.
Stars means stars...
it does not say volcanic eruptions.
The explanations offered by postenialism,does not change the language,look to pagans,atom bombs,eclipses,volcanoes, but rather lets scripture speak for itself.
 
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So . . . what would God say if in fact this were what He wanted to say?

Much love!
God says all He wants to say. He reveals Himself in at least 8 different forms of speech.
We must search it out, not .skim past it.
 

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Or a large celestial body that passes between the sun and the earth during a lunar eclipse?
I have no problem at all conceiving literal fulfillments. ]

We are not to conceive or invent things in our imagination, but rather compare scripture with scripture.
 

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I agree, it means exactly what is said literally, our literal sun and moon will be affected

Preterist symbolize to allow for their teaching to fit, because scripture shows the events are future

Preterist claim Matthew 24:29-31 as seen below isnt the future second coming of Jesus Christ, now that's a bunch of "Malarkey"

Matthew 24:29-31KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
I have shown 5 times were God used this language to show judgments. you have mot mentioned any of these scriptures because they do not fit in your world.
 
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We are not speaking of the pagan use of Sun,moon, and stars,but rather the biblical uses.
The heaven rolling up like a scroll is not an atomic bomb.
The exact language was used by Isa.,,,lol they had no nuclear weapons.
This is go avoid the biblical text.
Stars means stars...
it does not say volcanic eruptions.
The explanations offered by postenialism,does not change the language,look to pagans,atom bombs,eclipses,volcanoes, but rather lets scripture speak for itself.
"For a fire is kindled in mine anger,
And burneth unto the lowest Sheol,
And devoureth the earth with its increase,
And setteth on fire the foundations of the mountains." Deut. 32:22
That sure sounds like a volcanic eruption.
"And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: ..." Rev. 8:8
Volcanic eruption.
This is scripture, not paganism.
You and Marty are distorting, warping scriptures like hacks. Pagans wouldn't even do that. I think I had enough of this alternate universe. Beam me down Scotty.
 

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Hey Ron you're welcome to try and show where I've Disordered anything " "one of my posts directly and go over line by line and we'll see who's using scripture correctly and who's not
 

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I will continue to develop Matthew 24 and Luke 21 biblically and we will also look at Daniel 9 biblically
 

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I have shown 5 times were God used this language to show judgments. you have mot mentioned any of these scriptures because they do not fit in your world.
(Matthew) 24:29-30 represents signs surrounding the "Future" second coming of Jesus Christ

Preterisms claim this represents Gods Judgement on Jerusalem, disregarding the second coming seen is "Laughable"

(Matthew) 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
 

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Hey Ron you're welcome to try and show where I've Disordered anything " "one of my posts directly and go over line by line and we'll see who's using scripture correctly and who's not
No, you implied my ideas were pagan, you laughed at them and then I showed scripture proving that God will use volcanic eruptions as part of His Judgement, among other physical cataclysmic events.
Start with the line by line interpretation for
Deut. 32:22. & Rev. 8:8 particularly where it mentions mountains???
 
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No, you implied my ideas were pagan, you laughed at them and then I showed scripture proving that God will use volcanic eruptions as part of His Judgement, among other physical cataclysmic events.
Start with the line by line interpretation for
Deut. 32:22. & Rev. 8:8 particularly where it mentions mountains???
of course i will.
will you go over my posts on.page 3 line by line.
i will show hour references to.pagan gods at no extra charge