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[ReChoired]

Revelation 12:12

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.​

•“Therefore” – For all that which went before, or because of the things previously described, the conclusion is reached.

•“Rejoice” – Jesus Christ was victorious at the cross; see Psa. 9:2,14, 24:1-10.

•“ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them” – Unfallen beings of the unfallen worlds (thy will be done in heaven; Mat. 6:10; Luk. 11:2), see; 1 Ki. 22:19; 2 Chr. 18:18; Job. 1:6, 2:1; 38:4-7; Isa. 13:5; Dan. 7:9-10; Mat. 18:11-13; Luk. 15:4-7; Jhn. 14;1-4; Rom. 9:29; Eph. 1:10; Heb. 1:2, 11:3, 12:1; Jam. 5:4; Rev. 5:3-4,13, 19:4-6,19.

•See also the "thrones" - Dan. 7:9; Mat. 19:28; Col. 1:16; Rev. 4:4, 11:16, 20:4; "dominions" - Job. 25:2; Psa. 103:22, 114:2, 145:13; Dan. 4:3,34, 6:26; Mic. 4:8 (Gen. 1:26,28; Psa. 8:6 72:8; Dan. 7:27; Zec. 9:10; 1 Pet. 4:11, 5:11; Jud. 1:25; Rev. 1:6); Eph. 1:20-21; Col. 1:16; Jud. 1:8; "principalities" - Rom. 8:38; Eph. 1:20-21, 3:10, 6:12; Col. 1:16, 2:15, Tit. 3:1; "powers" - Eph. 1:20-21, 3:10, 6:12; Col. 1:16; Tit. 3;1; 1 Pet. 3:22; "rulers of" - Eph. 6:12; "above" - Col. 3:1-2; "all that are in" - Eph. 1:10, 3:15; Rev. 5:3-4,13, 19:5-6; see also "Kingdom of God", "kingdom of heaven", "throne of God", "Lord of hosts", "sabaoth", “angels”, “seraphims”, “cherubims“, “elders/ancients”, “living creatures/beasts”, etc.

For more on the Heavenly beings, see “Michael the archangel [03] - The word “angel” as defined and used” - http://sdamaranathachurch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Michael-the-archangel-03-The-word-“angel”-as-defined-and-used.pdf​

•“Woe” – Terrible sadness and judgment (Pro. 23:29); see also Rev. 8:13, 9:12, 11:14, and “for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time” Rev. 12:12; Mat. 18:7; Mar. 13:17; Luk. 17:1, 21:23, and also Ecc. 4:10.

•“to the inhabiters” – Those who live or dwell in an area; see Rev. 8:13, 11:10, 17:2,8.

•“of the earth” – The people of the dry land (Gen. 1:9-10) see also Rev. 8:13, 11:10, 17:2,5,8, also see Rev. 3:10, 6:8, 7:1-3, 8:7, 9:1,3-4, 11:10, 13:8,11-14, 16:14.

•“and of the sea” – A gathering together of many waters (Gen. 1:10), also those of the islands, see Rev. 7:1-3, 8:8-9, 13:1.

•“for” – The reason, or the cause (be-cause) of the “woe” to “the inhabiters of the earth, and the sea”, Rev. 12:12.

•“the devil is come down unto you” – Fallen down (again; Luk. 10:18), being defeated at Calvary, see notes on Rev. 12:10.

•“having great wrath” – Anger, Fury (Jer. 21:5; Dan. 2:12), see Pro. 19:19, 21:19, 22:24, 29:22; Ecc. 7:9; Dan. 11:44; Act. 19:28; Mat. 5:22; Heb. 11:27.

•“because he knoweth that he hath but a short time” – Angels (unfallen or fallen) study God’s prophecies (Dan. 10:21; Mat. 4:6; Luk. 4:10) and Satan knew from Daniel’s prophecies, see Dan. 7:25, 8:13,14,26, 11:33, 12:7,11-13; Rev. 9:13-15.

 

[quietthinker]

Your love for lies exceeds your love for Scripture. -- The religious leaders in Jesus time had their ideas of how the Messiah would appear, but it wasn't SCRIPTURAL, and neither are your ideas. START with Scripture and then arrive to your doctrines. Not the other way around!

Bobby Jo

sorry BJ, your argument is not persuasive in light of the evidence.

 

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Revelation 12:13

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.​

•“And when” – Time statement, A.D. 31., see notes on “Now is come salvation”.

•“the dragon saw” – Understood, knowledge, experience; see Gen. 3:6-7.

•“that he was cast unto the earth” – Satan could no more access Heaven, for Jesus Christ wrested from him the “dominion”, see Mat. 28:18; Luk. 10:8; Jhn. 12:31.

•“he persecuted” – Beginning with the Sanhedrin, and Saul of Tarsis, Romans, Apostates, see Dan. 8:9-14, 11:33-35; Mat. 5:11,44, 10:23, 23:34, 24:21; Mar. 4:17; Luk. 21:12; Jhn. 15:20; Act. 4:29, 7:54-60, 8:1, 9:1, 11:19, 13:50; Rom. 8:35, 12:14; 2 Cor. 7:4, 11:24-28; Gal. 5:11, 6:12; 1 Tim. 1:13; 2 Tim. 3:12, 4:14; Rev. 2:10.

•“the woman which brought forth the man child” – God’s people ((OT) Israel or (NT) Christians), flock, church, a body, bone of the man’s (Adam; Gen. 2:23; 1 Cor. 15:44-46) bone and flesh of His flesh, and the city (Mat. 12:10-11) in which they reside (New Jerusalem); see Jer. 6:2; Isa. 54:5, 61:10, 62:5 ; Act. 7:38; 1 Cor. 6:17; 2 Cor. 11:2; Gal. 4:26; Eph. 5:23-32; Rev. 19:7, 21:2-3,9; see also Jesus as the “bridegroom” – Mat. 9:15, 25:1,5-6,10; Mar. 2:19-20; Luk. 5:34-35; Jhn. 2:9, 3:29; Rev. 18:23; Jer. 7:34, 16:9, 25:10, 33:11; Joe. 2:16 and Song of Solomon (entire); see also (unfaithful) Jer. 3:14,20; Hos. 1:2, 2:2, etc.

 

[quietthinker]

[14] Daniel's prophecy of the "two thousand and three hundred days" - 2,300 years encompassing the whole of the time from the start in the Persian-Median Kingdom, through Grecia, into Roman Kingdom, and it's divisions, the uprising of the little horn to power, its deadly wound, and the entering in of Christ Jesus into the Most Holy Place with the Father and the opening of the books in Heaven - Daniel 8:13,14,26; Revelation 9:15, 10:6, 14:6-7.

Could you please explain your understanding of the 2300 days prophecy ie, where you see it starting and finishing and why.

 

[quietthinker]

[16] Daniel's prophecy of the "a thousand two hundred and ninety days" - being 1,290 years, ending the same time as the 1,260 (Daniel 12:11)

[17] Daniel's prophecy of "the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days" - being 1,335 years, beginning the same time as the 1,290, and ending the same time as the 2,300 (Daniel 12:11; Revelation 14:13, "blessed")

These two also. If you could give some detail again on where they fit, as you see it

 

[Hobie]

Prophetic Chart from beginning unto the ending, Prophetic studies (Let's study! Feel free to comment on the charts, the scriptures cited, references, history)

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The End Of Time – Vance Ferrell (PDF)

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Here is another detailed one I came across...

https://spesda.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Prophetic-History-Chart-color.pdf

 

[quietthinker]

@ReChoired

Bless you bro..this kind of thread is much to heady and heavy for me.
I won't be following this thread very much

The detail is no quick fix Helen. Be patient and build slowly .....but surely. Process each step patiently and don't give up because it's unfamiliar or unheard of.
Would we expect less from a God who runs the Cosmos and its inhabitants? He has not done things in secret but revealed his intentions to us though we are poor in Spirit and slow to understand.

 

[ReChoired]

Could you please explain your understanding of the 2300 days prophecy ie, where you see it starting and finishing and why.

Malo! As soon as I am done with the Revelation 12 material (only 4 verses left to go), I can address your replies uso.

 

[ReChoired]

Here is another detailed one I came across...

https://spesda.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Prophetic-History-Chart-color.pdf

Nice simple chart - pretty good, needs a little more study in some areas for polishing. I like the general overall perspective it gives and is basically right in what it is trying to convey, yet there are some details that I might discuss with you (as I differ) about though, such as

[1] the specifically listed '10 kingdoms' of Daniel 7,
[2] the specifically listed '3 uprooted',
[3] the '1929' and 'healing',
[4] 'beast in power 15 days',
[5] 'Egypt and Assyria' (I assume those are listed as the first 'two', if so, I differ)
[6] 'silence in heaven 7 1/2 days'
[7] a few things I would have to ask you about, such as the 'paganism followed by papacy' (is this tied to your understanding of 'the daily', if so, I differ, if not leave as is), 'seven kingdoms' (for instance do you start with Egypt, and if so, I differ), and also the position of the chart on the 7 churches, 7 seals and 7 trumpets (especially on the latter).​

Other than those (as least as I could read, my eyes are bad) it seems like the 'standard Seventh-day Adventist evangelistic & prophetic' material (and having served with AFmin for about 9 years, I can spot such right away), which is to say is close enough overall, but should be reconsidered in those areas above. Let me know if you would like to hear what I may share on those points as I differ with all of them, based upon deeper prayerful study of Scripture and the Spirit of Prophecy. As a quick for instance, the 10 kingdoms, if one considers the pioneer list unto adventists and millerites, there are at least '4' differing lists, if not a few more, as at least one listing even includes the Huns (I do not, and know that your list does not either, but just for demonstration of the point).

 

[ReChoired]

These two also. If you could give some detail again on where they fit, as you see it

Can do, but first let me finish the Revelation 12 material. Just a few more verses. Do not want to separate that study with too many things in between.

 

[ReChoired]

Revelation 12:14

Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.​

•“And to the woman were given” – Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning., see Jam. 1:17.

•“two wings” – New areas opened up to the “east” and “west” and the word of God spread (Isa. 40:31), and as the woman is like unto a body of water also, when persecution came, the many peoples spread out like wings (Deut. 32:11) from the central body but were protected by God, see Exo. 19:4; Psa. 17:8, 36:7, 61:4, 63:7, 91:4.

•“of a great eagle” – Exalted, flying above all, dwelling among the high cliffs, among the munitions of rocks (Jer. 49:16); see Deut. 32:11; Job. 39:27; Pro. 23:5

•“that she might fly” – Run or flee for fear, from persecution, escape to save the life as Elijah did in the days of Jezebel (1 Ki. 19:3-8; Pro. 21:9,19, 25:24) or as Moses unto a wilderness with 7 sisters (Exo. 2:11-22), see 2 Sam. 15:14; 2 Ki. 9:3; Jer. 6:1, 48:6,9; Amo. 7:12-13; Mat. 2:13, 10:23, 24:26; Mar. 13:14; Luk. 21:21; Jhn. 10:5; Act. 7:29, 8:1,4-5,25,40, 9:2, 14:6, etc.; Heb. 11:34; Rev. 12:14.

•“into the wilderness” – A place of little waters, or population, a place of desolation, obscurity; see Gen. 1:9-10; Psa. 63:1, 107:33; Pro. 21:19; Isa. 14:17, 41:18; Jer. 50:12-13, 51:43; Eze. 19:13; Hos. 2:3,14, 13:5; Zep. 2:13; Mat. 15:33; Mar. 8:4; Luk. 5:16; Jhn. 11:54; 2 Cor. 11:26; Rev. 12:6,14,16; Rev. 12:6,14, 17:3; (see also Moses, Exo. 16:1-3,10,14; Psa. 68:7, 78:15,17,19,40,52, 95:8, 102:6, 106:14,26, 107:4, 136:16; Jhn. 3:14, 6:49; Act. 7:30,36,38,42,44, 13:18; 1 Cor. 10:5; Heb. 3:8,17 ); the opposite of which is waters, a place of dense population and many cities; see Gen. 1:10; Psa. 65:7, 107:35; Isa. 17:12-13; Jer. 51:42; Rev. 13:1, 17:15.

•“into her place” – The wilderness experience; see Psa. 68:10; Isa. 64:4; Jon. 4:6,8; 1 Cor. 2:9; Heb. 11:16; see also (Jesus) Mat. 4:1; Mar. 1:12-13; Luk. 4:1; Jhn. 14:1-18; (John the Baptist) Mat. 3:1,3, 11:7; Mar. 1:3-4 Luk. 3:2,4, 7:24; Jhn. 1:23.

•“where she is nourished” – Fed of God, through His word, and by the people dwelling in the ‘wilderness’; see Exo. 16:32; Deut. 8:3; Psa. 81:16; Hos. 11:4; Joe. 2:26; Mat. 4:4, 6:26, 25:37; Luk. 4:4, 12:24; Jhn. 6:57; 1 Cor. 10:1-5,11; Rev. 12:14 (“nourished”, see also Act. 12:20; Jam. 5:5; “brought up”, Luk. 4:16).

•“for a time, and times, and half a time” – A section of 2,300 years (Dan. 8:13-14,26; Rev. 9:13-15), which is 1,260 years (a day for a year*; Num. 14:34; Eze. 4:6), from A.D. 538 unto A.D. 1798: “until a time and times and the dividing of time”, Dan. 7:25; “for a time, times, and an half”, Dan. 12:7; “forty and two months”, Rev. 11:2; “a thousand two hundred and threescore days”, Rev. 11:3; “a thousand two hundred and threescore days”, Rev. 12:6; “for a time, and times, and half a time”, Rev. 12:14; “forty and two months”, Rev. 13:5; see also, “many days”, Dan. 11:33; see also “Gentiles”, Rev. 11:2; “until the times of the Gentiles”, Luk. 21:24; see also, “Who is this that cometh out of the wilderness”, Son. 3:6, 8:5.

•* (day-year) - 20 Reasons To Apply The Day For A Year Principle In Prophecy – Secrets Unsealed – Stephen Bohr (PDF)​

•“from the face of” – The countenance, that which is exposed to the world, or that which expresses the hidden character of the heart (Gen. 4:5-6, 31:2,5; Neh. 2:3; Pro. 15:13; Isa. 3:9; Eze. 27:35; Dan. 1:13, 5:6,9-10, 7:28; Luk. 9:29), and thus the peoples or nations (serpent is a ‘beast’) who expressed the will/heart of satan towards God’s people; see Gen. 35:7; Exo. 2:15; Deut. 28:50; Psa. 10:4; Isa. 16:4; Dan. 7:21,25, 8:10-14,23, 11:33-35,44.

•“the serpent” – Venomous and subtil beast, the devil; Gen. 3:1-2,4,13,14; Psa. 58:4, 140:3; Pro. 23:32; Ecc. 10:11; Isa. 27:1; Mic. 7:17; Luk. 11:11,13; 2 Cor. 11:3; Rev. 12:14-15, 20:2.

 

[ReChoired]

Revelation 12:15

Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.​

•“And the serpent cast out of his mouth” – In the heart of satan is murder (Jhn. 8:44) and expresses this by his ‘mouth’, see Job. 5:15, 41:19-21; Psa. 10:7, 17:10, 50:19, 59:7, 69:15; Pro. 10:6,11, 15:28; Isa. 57:4; Jer. 9:8, 23:16; Mat. 12:34, 15:11,18-20; Luk. 6:45, 19:22; Eph. 4:29; Col. 3:8; Rev. 16:13.

•“water as a flood” – Peoples of the nations that served the devil, and issued forth at his command, see 2 Sam. 22:5; Psa. 18:3-4, 32:6, 89:9-10, 93:3-4, 98:7-9, 124:1-5; Son. 8:7; Isa. 8:7, 17:12-13, 28:2, 59:19; Jer. 46:8, 47:2, 51:13; Eze. 31:15; Dan. 9:26, 11:22; Amo. 8:8, 9:5; Mat. 7:25,27; Jud. 1:13; Rev. 17:1,15.

•“after the woman” – God’s people ((OT) Israel or (NT) Christians), flock, church, a body, bone of the man’s (Adam; Gen. 2:23; 1 Cor. 15:44-46) bone and flesh of His flesh, and the city (Mat. 12:10-11) in which they reside (New Jerusalem); see Jer. 6:2; Isa. 54:5, 61:10, 62:5 ; Act. 7:38; 1 Cor. 6:17; 2 Cor. 11:2; Gal. 4:26; Eph. 5:23-32; Rev. 19:7, 21:2-3,9; see also Jesus as the “bridegroom” – Mat. 9:15, 25:1,5-6,10; Mar. 2:19-20; Luk. 5:34-35; Jhn. 2:9, 3:29; Rev. 18:23; Jer. 7:34, 16:9, 25:10, 33:11; Joe. 2:16 and Song of Solomon (entire); see also (unfaithful) Jer. 3:14,20; Hos. 1:2, 2:2, etc.

•“that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood” – Overwhelm and drown (kill); but they could not, see Psa. 18:3-4, 32:6, 104:6-9; 124:1-5.

 

[ReChoired]

Revelation 12:16

Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.​

•“And the earth” – see notes on “into the wilderness”.

•“helped” – To succour, give relief or aide to, for Christ Jesus knows what it is like to be persecuted for righteousness; see Mat. 15:25; Mar. 9:22,24; Act. 16:9; 2 Cor. 6:2; Heb. 2:18.

•“the woman” – God’s people ((OT) Israel or (NT) Christians), flock, church, a body, bone of the man’s (Adam; Gen. 2:23; 1 Cor. 15:44-46) bone and flesh of His flesh, and the city (Mat. 12:10-11) in which they reside (New Jerusalem); see Jer. 6:2; Isa. 54:5, 61:10, 62:5 ; Act. 7:38; 1 Cor. 6:17; 2 Cor. 11:2; Gal. 4:26; Eph. 5:23-32; Rev. 19:7, 21:2-3,9; see also Jesus as the “bridegroom” – Mat. 9:15, 25:1,5-6,10; Mar. 2:19-20; Luk. 5:34-35; Jhn. 2:9, 3:29; Rev. 18:23; Jer. 7:34, 16:9, 25:10, 33:11; Joe. 2:16 and Song of Solomon (entire); see also (unfaithful) Jer. 3:14,20; Hos. 1:2, 2:2, etc.

•“and the earth opened her mouth” – see Gen. 4:11; Eze. 2:8.

•“and swallowed up the flood” – see Num. 13:32, 16:30,32, 26:10; Deut. 11:6; Job. 40:23; Psa. 55:15.

•“which the dragon cast out of his mouth” – see Mat. 12:34; Luk. 6:45.

 

[ReChoired]

Revelation 12:17

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.​

•“And the dragon was wroth with” – Satan is angry without a true cause, because the character of Christ Jesus reveals to himself that he is in the wrong, and so he persecutes; see Gen. 4:8,25; Mat. 5:22; 1 Jhn. 3:12.

•“the woman” – God’s people ((OT) Israel or (NT) Christians), flock, church, a body, bone of the man’s (Adam; Gen. 2:23; 1 Cor. 15:44-46) bone and flesh of His flesh, and the city (Mat. 12:10-11) in which they reside (New Jerusalem); see Jer. 6:2; Isa. 54:5, 61:10, 62:5 ; Act. 7:38; 1 Cor. 6:17; 2 Cor. 11:2; Gal. 4:26; Eph. 5:23-32; Rev. 19:7, 21:2-3,9; see also Jesus as the “bridegroom” – Mat. 9:15, 25:1,5-6,10; Mar. 2:19-20; Luk. 5:34-35; Jhn. 2:9, 3:29; Rev. 18:23; Jer. 7:34, 16:9, 25:10, 33:11; Joe. 2:16 and Song of Solomon (entire); see also (unfaithful) Jer. 3:14,20; Hos. 1:2, 2:2, etc.

•“and went to make war with” – The Great Controversy comes to a climax, see Dan. 9:26, 11:33-35,40-45; Luk. 14:31; Rev. 9:7,9, 13:7, 16:14,16, 19:18-19.

•“the remnant” – The final Faithful, that which remained true to God, whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of Life (Mar. 16:13; Rev. 3:2); see 2 Ki. 19:31; Ezr. 9:8; Isa. 1:9, 10:22, 37:32; Jer. 42:2; Eze. 14:22; Mic. 5:7-8, 7:18; Zep. 3:13; Rom. 9:8,27, 11:5; Phil. 4:3.

•“of her seed” – Jesus Christ, and all in Him; see Gen. 3:15; Rom. 9:8; Gal. 3:16.

•“which keep” – To have in the heart, to do them by love and faith; see Jhn. 14:15, 15:14; Exo. 15:26, 20:6; Deut. 7:9, 11:22, 13:18, 19:9, 27:10, 28:1,15, 30:8; Jos. 22:5; 1 Ki. 14:8; 1 Chr. 28:7; Neh. 10:29; Psa. 103:18, 111:10; 1 Jhn. 2:3,5, 3:22; Rev. 22:14.

•“the commandments of God” – Love; Love God and near-brother (Dan. 6:22); The Character of God in written transcript (stone (Exo. 33:12-23, 34:1-9, 20:5-6) and fleshy heart (Jer. 31:31-34; 2 Cor. 3:1-3)) see Exo. 20:1-17; Deut. 5:6-21, 6:1-5; Lev. 19:17-18; Ecc. 12:13-14; Mat. 5:1-7:27, 22:37; Mar. 12:30; Luk. 10:27, 11:42; Jhn. 8:42; 1 Jhn. 3:23.

•“and have” – Possess as one’s own, held onto; see 1 Tim. 1:19, 3:9; Rev. 6:9.

•“the testimony of Jesus Christ” – God is love; The Spirit of Prophecy, and also the ‘witness’ of the life of Jesus in our life, see Psa. 19:7, 78:5, 132:12; Isa. 8:16,20; Jhn. 3:33; Act. 22:18; 1 Cor. 1:6, 2:1, 2 Tim. 1:8; Rev. 1:2,9, 6:9, 19:10.

Here is a study, for more information on the "testimony of Jesus Christ"

 

[Hobie]

Nice simple chart - pretty good, needs a little more study in some areas for polishing. I like the general overall perspective it gives and is basically right in what it is trying to convey, yet there are some details that I might discuss with you (as I differ) about though, such as

[1] the specifically listed '10 kingdoms' of Daniel 7,
[2] the specifically listed '3 uprooted',
[3] the '1929' and 'healing',
[4] 'beast in power 15 days',
[5] 'Egypt and Assyria' (I assume those are listed as the first 'two', if so, I differ)
[6] 'silence in heaven 7 1/2 days'
[7] a few things I would have to ask you about, such as the 'paganism followed by papacy' (is this tied to your understanding of 'the daily', if so, I differ, if not leave as is), 'seven kingdoms' (for instance do you start with Egypt, and if so, I differ), and also the position of the chart on the 7 churches, 7 seals and 7 trumpets (especially on the latter).​

Other than those (as least as I could read, my eyes are bad) it seems like the 'standard Seventh-day Adventist evangelistic & prophetic' material (and having served with AFmin for about 9 years, I can spot such right away), which is to say is close enough overall, but should be reconsidered in those areas above. Let me know if you would like to hear what I may share on those points as I differ with all of them, based upon deeper prayerful study of Scripture and the Spirit of Prophecy. As a quick for instance, the 10 kingdoms, if one considers the pioneer list unto adventists and millerites, there are at least '4' differing lists, if not a few more, as at least one listing even includes the Huns (I do not, and know that your list does not either, but just for demonstration of the point).

Lots of questions, but lets go through them as history gives us a hand...
1. The ten horns on this beast denote the ten kings that arose out of the Roman empire when it fell apart. Edward Gibbon says the ten kingdoms were: “The Alemanni, the Franks, the Burgundians, the Vandals, the Suevi, the Visigoths, the Saxons, the Ostrogoths, the Lombards and the Heruli
2. The three kingdoms that were plucked up to make way for the Papacy, were, 1. The Heruli, in 493. 2. The Vandals, in 534, and, 3. The Ostrogoths in 538. (Gibbon’s Decline and Fall.)
3. On February 11th, 1929, an historic treaty was signed between the Italian Government and the Vatican re-establishing the political power and diplomatic standing of the Catholic Church, or its temporal power it lost in 1798.
4. That is prophetic time from Revelation 17:12 "12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast."
5. I just did a study on that so we can go over that one.
6. That is also prophetic time from Revelation 8:1 "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour." That is when Christ leaves heaven to come to earth with His angels, notice it say 'about', so its basically 7 seven days.
7. Who rose up after the pagan Roman Empire declined, its pretty clear it was Papal Rome...Here is a good explanation on this...Identifying the Antichrist | Prophecy of Daniel | Religious and Political System

 

[ReChoired]

Lots of questions, but lets go through them as history gives us a hand...
1. The ten horns on this beast denote the ten kings that arose out of the Roman empire when it fell apart. Edward Gibbon says the ten kingdoms were: “The Alemanni, the Franks, the Burgundians, the Vandals, the Suevi, the Visigoths, the Saxons, the Ostrogoths, the Lombards and the Heruli
2. The three kingdoms that were plucked up to make way for the Papacy, were, 1. The Heruli, in 493. 2. The Vandals, in 534, and, 3. The Ostrogoths in 538. (Gibbon’s Decline and Fall.)
3. On February 11th, 1929, an historic treaty was signed between the Italian Government and the Vatican re-establishing the political power and diplomatic standing of the Catholic Church, or its temporal power it lost in 1798.
4. That is prophetic time from Revelation 17:12 "12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast."
5. I just did a study on that so we can go over that one. ...

I didn't have so many questions Hobie, as I already differed, but had a few questions in point 7. As much as I love AD and uso's Veith, Gill, etc. they need to restudy those points.

[1] Consider Seventh-day Adventist historian, Heidi Heiks ( The Source by Heidi Heiks - Home Page ) research in the matter of the 10 and 3 horns of Daniel 7 (Gibbon was an atheist, and sister White even commented on Gibbon, see below), even as sold by Secrets Unsealed (Stephen Bohr) and used by Amazing Facts Minstry in AFCOE session (see 508, 538, 1798, 1843 Source Book). Gibbon was simply in error historically. I have read all of Heiks books ((except his attack on Dennis Priebe's teaching, which Heiks rebuttal there, is foolishness) as well as the pioneer materials on this, as stated there are several positions) and have them on hand and can cite directly from them, which lists primary sources, and has endorsement from Gerhard Pfandl and William Shea, among others, etc.

"... Gibbon the skeptic, and many others whom God endowed with giant minds, and whom the world called great men, rallied under the banner of Satan and used the gifts of God for the perversion of truth and the destruction of the souls of men. ..." - {4T 519.3}​

Heidi Heiks even gives several lists on pages 27-28 AD 538 Source book of the various tribes of barbarians that existed at the time. The number "10" in scripture, represents the "wholeness", see Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 for example, and other examples may be given as well.

[2] Heidi Heiks places, [1] Vandals, [2] Visigoths, [3] Ostrogths as the three uprooted, and not the Heruli, see AD 538 Source book, pages 33-34 onward (I can cite directly if necessary), as the Heruli are historically dealt with in chapter 4. I do not cite Heiks as 'authority', but merely as another viewpoint which is easily reference-able, rather than cite a 'hundred' differing historical sources saying the same thing.

[3] 1929, did not heal the 'deadly wound' of the Papacy, since the deadly wound (1798) took away not merely political/state power, but persecuting power, and as Stephen Bohr of Secrets Unsealed, as others, have shown, and from simple Bible study, the wound to be completely healed needs to have the United States backing it, for it becomes the sword in the hand of first, see Revelation 13. 1929 was only in 'part', not in full, even as the healing was already begun in AD 1801, when another pope was crowned, 3ish years after 1798., just like Christ Jesus arose from the dead in so many days. Type to antitype. 1929 was in reference not to 1798, but to a later (than 1798) event, between 1860-1870:

"... In 1860, Italy occupied Romagna, which made up the eastern portion of the Papal States, thereby leaving Latium as the only one still under Papal control. Ten years later, even this – including the city of Rome – was to be annexed by the Italian state. For sixty years thereafter, a hostile relationship was to characterize dealings between Italy and the Papacy, with the Pope’s own status becoming unclear and often referred to as “the Roman Question.” ..." - Lateran Treaty (1929) Summary & Facts​

It only dealt with "Vatican city" proper, not the papacy as a whole.

[4] "One hour" in Revelation 17, is not dealing with day/year time, as no context therein requires it. Seventh-day Adventists, who love scripture, need to stop willy-nilly throwing that into every place where it is not warranted (like Revelation 9:13-15, etc). Context always determines such use, as it does in Daniel 7, 8, 9 and 12. The "one hour" in Revelation 17:12 is actually identified in Revelation 3:10, and is also connected directly to Revelation 8:1. It is not day/year timeframe given. The event is going to last a lot longer than 15 days, even from a simple type to antitype perspective, see Jacob/Israel (OT) for one example.

[5] Egypt and Assyria are not in the picture of Daniel or Revelation in the counting of the "seven" (Revelation 17). In short, detail as needful:

1. Babylon - Lion beast
2. Medo-Persia - Bear Beast
3. Greece - He-Goat Beast
4. Pagan Rome - Terrible Dreadful beast
5. Papal Rome (beast from the sea, Revelation 13) - Beast from the Sea, Man of Sin, etc
6. Atheistically led France, thus leading to global secular humanism, Beast of the Pit (Revelation 9-11)
7. Apostate Protestantism of the United States, beast of the earth (Revelation 13), 10 horns on it (United Nations, again 10 as whole)
8. Revived # 5 with the aid of the #7.​

This is not guesswork, but very specific in scripture. Again, detail as needful. I just summarized.

As for Egypt, they weren't even Israel yet. As for Assyria, they never had control over the Southern Kingdom - ever. They are not in view in Daniel or Revelation. In Revelation, 'Egypt' is mentioned as 'spiritually' (dealing with France). Bible and SoP/ToJ upon request.

 

[ReChoired]

Lots of questions, but lets go through them as history gives us a hand...

6. That is also prophetic time from Revelation 8:1 "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour." That is when Christ leaves heaven to come to earth with His angels, notice it say 'about', so its basically 7 seven days.

7. Who rose up after the pagan Roman Empire declined, its pretty clear it was Papal Rome...Here is a good explanation on this...Identifying the Antichrist | Prophecy of Daniel | Religious and Political System

Continuing:

[6] As for the 'space of half an hour', it is not day/year time again, contextually. I do desire Seventh-day Adventists (as I am), who are keen on study (as I am), to go back and re-study and let go of old errors and misconceptions (I had to). I did not say let go of scripture or SoP/ToJ. I am specifically referring to men's ideas not found in harmony with the other two. The 'space of half an hour' in very short deals with the little time of Trouble, and I can detail this for you from scripture and SoP/ToJ. Would you like to see my study on this?

[7] I am not disagreeing that the Papacy came to power in the breaking up of the Pagan Roman empire. Scripture and SoP/ToJ are clear, chiastically sealed even:

The Spirit of Prophecy, Volume 4 (1894), Chapter III, The Roman Church, pages 57.2 -

“... In the sixth century the papacy had become firmly established. Its seat of power was fixed in the imperial city, and the bishop of Rome was declared to be the head over the entire church. Paganism had given place to the papacy. The dragon had given to the beast "his power, and his seat, and great authority." [Revelation 13:2.] And now began the 1260 years of papal oppression foretold in the prophecies of Daniel and John. [Daniel 7:25; Revelation 13:5-7.] Christians were forced to choose, either to yield their integrity and accept the papal ceremonies and worship, or to wear away their lives in dungeon cells, or suffer death by the rack, the fagot, or the headsman's ax. Now were fulfilled the words of Jesus, "Ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake." [Luke 21:16, 17.] Persecution opened upon the faithful with greater fury than ever before, and the world became a vast battle-field. For hundreds of years the church of Christ found refuge in seclusion and obscurity. Thus says the prophet: "The woman fled into the wilderness, where [58] she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and three-score days." [Revelation 12:16.] {4SP 57.2} ...”​

The Great Controversy (1911), Chapter 3, An Era of Spiritual Darkness, pages 54.2 -

“... In the sixth century the papacy had become firmly established. Its seat of power was fixed in the imperial city, and the bishop of Rome was declared to be the head over the entire church. Paganism had given place to the papacy. The dragon had given to the beast "his power, and his seat, and great authority." Revelation 13:2. And now began the 1260 years of papal oppression foretold in the prophecies of Daniel and the Revelation. Daniel 7:25; Revelation 13:5-7. (See Appendix.) Christians were forced to choose either to yield their integrity and accept the papal ceremonies and worship, or to wear away their lives in dungeons or suffer death by the rack, the fagot, or the headsman's ax. Now were fulfilled the words of Jesus: "Ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for My name's sake." Luke 21:16, 17. Persecution opened upon the faithful with greater fury than ever before, [55] and the world became a vast battlefield. For hundreds of years the church of Christ found refuge in seclusion and obscurity. Thus says the prophet: "The woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and three-score days." Revelation 12:6. {GC 54.2} ...”​

See also:

[1] The Great Controversy (1888), Chapter III, The Apostasy, pages 55.1

[2] The Story of Redemption (1947), Chapter 45, The Mystery of Iniquity, The Dark Ages, pages 330.3​

Notice my questions carefully please:

"... a few things I would have to ask you about, such as the 'paganism followed by papacy' (is this tied to your understanding of 'the daily', if so, I differ, if not leave as is), 'seven kingdoms' (for instance do you start with Egypt, and if so, I differ), and also the position of the chart on the 7 churches, 7 seals and 7 trumpets (especially on the latter). ..."​

So, how does your chart understand the "daily"? I have an entire study on it here - http://sdamaranathachurch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/The-Daily-Daily-With-No-Pictures.pdf

As for Egypt and Assyria see my previous points.

So, how does your chart see the "7 trumpets"? Does it take up Miller's and Litch's errors (previous and after)? Litch erred twice, before and after his being Adventist. Most do not understand what they do when they simply endorse his positions, even not understanding the GC quotation and abuse it (unknowingly). For instance, the 5-7th trumpets have nothing (and I mean nothing) to do with Muhammad, Islam, Turks, Ottoman empire or sultanies thereof. Even Stephen Bohr agrees with me here (though I differ with him in 5th Trumpet in part).

 

[brakelite]

Did not the Visigoths under King Aglia war with... someone... As late the 7th century which seems to upset the time frame for the 1260 years beginning in 538?

 

[ReChoired]

Did not the Visigoths under King Aglia war with... someone... As late the 7th century which seems to upset the time frame for the 1260 years beginning in 538?

This will take some time to get into. You have a valid point to a certain extent, but that extent carries with it a misconception that Heiks addresses (sorry, easier to reference it this way), and turns out to be not a valid point in that light. I am going to get some sleep now, I am teaching and preaching all tomorrow, and need a few hours shut eye. I will come back and respond more deeply to this as I am able, ok brother? In short though, where does scripture (say Daniel 7, etc) reveal that 3 horns need to be uprooted by AD 538? There is an assumption going on here, but this is not the only assumption that needs to be addressed.

 

[brakelite]

This will take some time to get into. You have a valid point to a certain extent, but that extent carries with it a misconception that Heiks addresses (sorry, easier to reference it this way), and turns out to be not a valid point in that light. I am going to get some sleep now, I am teaching and preaching all tomorrow, and need a few hours shut eye. I will come back and respond more deeply to this as I am able, ok brother? In short though, where does scripture (say Daniel 7, etc) reveal that 3 horns need to be uprooted by AD 538? There is an assumption going on here, but this is not the only assumption that needs to be addressed.

Yep, 538 is the traditional Adventist focus... And I'm willing to look at alternatives.