Rapture After Death ???

[Pianoworldstage]

Hi

Concerning the rapture, my understanding was immediately after death came! the1st resurrection, meaning the rapture! but scripture tells us about the rich man and Lazarus in Hades and paradise, and that they are conscious of being there..

Scripture also tells us after death the body returns to the dust and the sole goes back to God who gave it.. therefore does this mean the sole even though conscious after death is quarantined until receiving the resurrection body at the rapture?

 

[farouk]

Hi

Concerning the rapture, my understanding was immediately after death came! the1st resurrection, meaning the rapture! but scripture tells us about the rich man and Lazarus in Hades and paradise, and that they are conscious of being there..

Scripture also tells us after death the body returns to the dust and the sole goes back to God who gave it.. therefore does this mean the sole even though conscious after death is quarantined until receiving the resurrection body at the rapture?

Well, for the believer who dies before the Rapture, it is a case of being 'with Christ, which is far better' (Philippians 1.23). 'We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.' (2 Corinthians 5.8)

 

[CoreIssue]

Hi

Concerning the rapture, my understanding was immediately after death came! the1st resurrection, meaning the rapture! but scripture tells us about the rich man and Lazarus in Hades and paradise, and that they are conscious of being there..

Scripture also tells us after death the body returns to the dust and the sole goes back to God who gave it.. therefore does this mean the sole even though conscious after death is quarantined until receiving the resurrection body at the rapture?

When a saint dies their spirit ascends to heaven and their flesh to the grave, be that the ground, water, cremation container or whatever.

When Christ comes in the rapture all spirits descend with him, the flesh rises from the ground and reassembles the spirit reenters the body.

Then all the saints, resurrected still living, rapture to Christ in the clouds and then go on to heaven.

There is a point of contention on whether all that resurrect church.

That would include both the church and Israel.

In heaven all are judged for rewards and the bride of Christ, the church, enters the wedding chamber. Israel is the guest.

Currently the dead saints are in heaven with God as spirits.

 

[Taken]

Hi

Concerning the rapture, my understanding was immediately after death came! the1st resurrection, meaning the rapture! but scripture tells us about the rich man and Lazarus in Hades and paradise, and that they are conscious of being there..

Scripture also tells us after death the body returns to the dust and the sole goes back to God who gave it.. therefore does this mean the sole even though conscious after death is quarantined until receiving the resurrection body at the rapture?

A man Converted in Christ, has become Crucified, accounted Bodily Dead, and has fulfilled the requirement to DIE ONCE.

We are in the end days, since Jesus first came to earth. And Since Jesus first came to earth, a Division Among men has been occuring for the last 2,000 + years. Some men becoming IN Christ; many not.

Jesus will Descend to the Clouds. While IN the Clouds, He shall rise UP to Him, in the Clouds....above the earth;
all (Physically dead and still alive bodies converted in Christ).
The Physically dead body's, rise up from their graves, immortal glorified, and Jesus has their saved soul and quickened spirit with Him, which are united with their glorified body.
Then immediately...
The Physically alive, still have their soul, their quickened spirit, within their body and that body is changed to an immortal glorified body as it is risen up to the clouds.

THAT ^ is the Rapture; Jesus resurrecting up to Him, the Converted in Christ; ie His Church.

Then begins the introduction of the end of days Tribulation.

The anti-Christ is given power over the earth.
The people of the world are deciding to believe in God/Christ, and be killed for their belief. Or choose allegience to the anti-Christ.
The Israelites, believers in God, but not Christ Jesus are sent Israelite ministers to teach the Israelites to accept Christ Jesus.

It is a continuation of DIVISION, IN the world, during a portion of the end of days tribulation, while they will be experiencing subjection to the anti-Christ, his power, his armies, and massive weather conditions and results and plagues.

Nearing the end of the Tribulation there is WAR-fare in the lower heavens...Holy Angels, fallen angels....Body's of those who came to believe have been killed; (by the anti-Christ's armies) their souls & spirit having risen to heaven.
Bodies of men of those in allegience to the anti-Christ, shall become dead, killed, by the effects of the earth and plagues.

(And there is a remnant of Israelites, who Believe, are Saved from bodily death, and shall remain mortal and repopulate the earth, during Jesus' Kingdom and 1,000 reign on earth).

Christ shall descend from the clouds...
His Raptured Church with Him.
His Leagues of Angels with Him.
war-fare in the heavens shall cease.
War-fare on the earth shall cease.
Men who came to believe and became soul saved and spirit quickened and killed, shall be risen up in glorious bodies.
Their soul and spirit from heaven united with their bodies.

The bodies of the dead, who rejected Christ Jesus, shall be consumed by birds.
Their soul sent to hell to wait Judgement.
Fallen angels and the anti-Christ sent to hell to wait Judgement.

Christ Jesus' Kingdom shall appear coming down from heaven. The seat of Jesus' government being Jerusalem, and Jesus seated in king David's everlasting throne.

And the mortals shall live, marry, reproduce, die, grow crops, have communities with leaders and learn to accept or reject Christ Jesus as He and His immortal servants are present upon the earth (without the influence of fallen angels, satan, men against God, men against Christ Jesus) ...for 1,000....

And then after the 1,000 years, satan, his band of fallen angels will have about 3 months to be loosed, roam the earth, and try to convince MORTAL men to follow after him and reject God, and Christ Jesus.

And there is more....thereafter...dividing, separation, judgement, etc.

In short, not everyone believes the same, or believes the same at the same time. Or is resurrected up at the same time.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Pianoworldstage]

Thank you for your response.

 

[Enoch111]

Hi
Concerning the rapture...

Hi PWS, and Welcome.

I am sorry to see that you are so thoroughly confused about this matter. But you have a lot of company. So let's look at what the Bible says about the body, soul, and spirit, and the Rapture. I can provide the Scriptures but for now let's simply look at what happens.

1. Man is a tripartite being -- body, soul, and spirit. Death is the separation of the soul and spirit from the body.

2. Upon death the body is placed in the grave, gives the appearance of rest or repose ("sleep"), and eventually turns to dust.

3. The souls and spirits of the children of God go immediately and directly to Christ in Heaven.

4. The souls and spirits of the unsaved dead go directly to Hades, where they await their final judgment.

5. At the Resurrection/Rapture, Christ brings the souls and spirits of the saints with Him, joins them to their resurrected and glorified bodies, and takes then back to Heaven. At the same time, He transforms the living saints, who also join Christ is Heaven in their glorified bodies. They are all required to be in Heaven for the Marriage of the Lamb.

6. There is no such thing as Purgatory, and there are no second chances after death.

 

[CoreIssue]

Hi PWS, and Welcome.

I am sorry to see that you are so thoroughly confused about this matter. But you have a lot of company. So let's look at what the Bible says about the body, soul, and spirit, and the Rapture. I can provide the Scriptures but for now let's simply look at what happens.

1. Man is a tripartite being -- body, soul, and spirit. Death is the separation of the soul and spirit from the body.

2. Upon death the body is placed in the grave, gives the appearance of rest or repose ("sleep"), and eventually turns to dust.

3. The souls and spirits of the children of God go immediately and directly to Christ in Heaven.

4. The souls and spirits of the unsaved dead go directly to Hades, where they await their final judgment.

5. At the Resurrection/Rapture, Christ brings the souls and spirits of the saints with Him, joins them to their resurrected and glorified bodies, and takes then back to Heaven. At the same time, He transforms the living saints, who also join Christ is Heaven in their glorified bodies. They are all required to be in Heaven for the Marriage of the Lamb.

6. There is no such thing as Purgatory, and there are no second chances after death.

I agree with everything you said except about the soul. The soul dies with the body.

 

[Enoch111]

I agree with everything you said except about the soul. The soul dies with the body.

No. The soul is imperishable, whether saved or unsaved. And the proof that the souls are very much alive in Heaven is right here:

REVELATION 6
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

 

[CoreIssue]

No. The soul is imperishable, whether saved or unsaved. And the proof that the souls are very much alive in Heaven is right here:

REVELATION 6
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

The spirit slogan slings are with God before his throne.

Underneath the altar? Think about the implications.

Remember souls are the emotions etc. of a person.
By your reasoning the prayers of the saints that rose to heaven are also alive.

The spirit slogan slings are with God before his throne.

Underneath the altar? Think about the implications.

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 5590 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
yuchv from (5594)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Psuche 9:608,1342
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
psoo-khay' Noun Feminine
Definition

1. breath
   1. the breath of life
      1. the vital force which animates the body and shows itself in breathing 1a
   2. of animals 1a
2. of men
   1. life
   2. that in which there is life
      1. a living being, a living soul
3. the soul
   1. the seat of the feelings, desires, affections, aversions (our heart, soul etc.)
   2. the (human) soul in so far as it is constituted that by the right use of the aids offered it by God it can attain its highest end and secure eternal blessedness, the soul regarded as a moral being designed for everlasting life
   3. the soul as an essence which differs from the body and is not dissolved by death (distinguished from other parts of the body)

The soul here is similar to the prayers. It is the essence of a person, not the eternal spirit of a person.

What you have done is split the person at death into two independent beings.

 

[CoreIssue]

No. The soul is imperishable, whether saved or unsaved. And the proof that the souls are very much alive in Heaven is right here:

REVELATION 6
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

The prayers of the saints rose to heaven. That does not make the prayers alive or night bathroom to Saints.

The souls are the records of the saints pleas to God. You are reading in souls receiving robes. The spirits did.

 

[Enoch111]

The prayers of the saints rose to heaven. That does not make the prayers alive or night bathroom to Saints.

The souls are the records of the saints pleas to God. You are reading in souls receiving robes. The spirits did.

Your posts are making less and less sense, because you are opposing God's truth more and more.

 

[CoreIssue]

Your posts are making less and less sense, because you are opposing God's truth more and more.

That is why I posted definitions of words. To show you are wrong.

Want to prove me wrong, and post proof minus your interpretation.

You're doing the same thing Catholics do to the declare Peter the first PopeWhen they declare the rock church is built on as Petros, not Petra by their flawed reading of verse and context.

 

[Pianoworldstage]

Your posts are making less and less sense, because you are opposing God's truth more and more.

I agree Enoch,

 

[Pianoworldstage]

Hi PWS, and Welcome.

I am sorry to see that you are so thoroughly confused about this matter. But you have a lot of company. So let's look at what the Bible says about the body, soul, and spirit, and the Rapture. I can provide the Scriptures but for now let's simply look at what happens.

1. Man is a tripartite being -- body, soul, and spirit. Death is the separation of the soul and spirit from the body.

2. Upon death the body is placed in the grave, gives the appearance of rest or repose ("sleep"), and eventually turns to dust.

3. The souls and spirits of the children of God go immediately and directly to Christ in Heaven.

4. The souls and spirits of the unsaved dead go directly to Hades, where they await their final judgment.

5. At the Resurrection/Rapture, Christ brings the souls and spirits of the saints with Him, joins them to their resurrected and glorified bodies, and takes then back to Heaven. At the same time, He transforms the living saints, who also join Christ is Heaven in their glorified bodies. They are all required to be in Heaven for the Marriage of the Lamb.

6. There is no such thing as Purgatory, and there are no second chances after death.

Thank you so much for this Enoch, appreciated.