Scripture Study of The Immortal Soul (Spirit of Man/Woman)

[face2face]

Spiritual is used to describe these physical things:


the spiritual man
he who is spiritual
the spiritual rock
the spiritual food
the spiritual drink
the spiritual songs
the spiritual house
the spiritual things
the spiritual body

hope this helps,

I know we dont agree on everything! But I am appreciative you are aware of how the Scripture teaches though figurative language. Imagery is such an important tool the writers used to convey spiritual truths.

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[ChristisGod]

That doesn’t make sense so no it doesn’t help sir.

You’re wasting your time.

who are you talking to ?

try using the quote function.

and you reply is basically saying : " I'm unteachable " and I'm right but I cannot prove or defend it.

 

[face2face]

That doesn’t make sense so no it doesn’t help sir.

That's your problem right there - the Bible doesn't make sense to you though you are convinced it does. That's a terrible problem to have.

 

[ChristisGod]

That's your problem right there - the Bible doesn't make sense to you though you are convinced it does. That's a terrible problem to have.

ditto

 

[MatthewG]

People think they need to correct people.

Because they don’t line up with their thinking.

It’s just like I believe Jesus already has returned that bothers people, I can’t help it but That is what I believe:

People think this is heresy and what not.

I don’t care personally, and if people wanna continue that Jesus Christ is coming back I’m not gonna try to stop them,

I am gonna love them for who they are:

That is what the heart of the Gospel of Christ is about, is having love for God and others.

 

[ChristisGod]

People think they need to correct people.

Because they don’t line up with their thinking.

It’s just like I believe Jesus already has returned that bothers people, I can’t help it but That is what I believe:

People think this is heresy and what not.

I don’t care personally, and if people wanna continue that Jesus Christ is coming back I’m not gonna try to stop them,

I am gonna love them for who they are:

That is what the heart of the Gospel of Christ is about, is having love for God and others.

strawman- we are talking about the bible.

its impossible for bot of our views to be right. one of us is definitely wrong, and guess what on the gospel and resurrection its not me. your beliefs on the Resurrection line up much more closely the the JW cult then it does Christianity.

all you want to do is post a bunch of "study" from shawn then not accept it when you are challenged to defend those ideas.

hope this helps !!!

 

[face2face]

People think they need to correct people.

Because they don’t line up with their thinking.

It’s just like I believe Jesus already has returned that bothers people, I can’t help it but That is what I believe:

People think this is heresy and what not.

I don’t care personally, and if people wanna continue that Jesus Christ is coming back I’m not gonna try to stop them,

I am gonna love them for who they are:

That is what the heart of the Gospel of Christ is about, is having love for God and others.

More weakness MattG

2 Timothy 3:16 Every scripture is inspired by God and useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, may be capable and equipped for every good work.

Your spirit within this post is not in line with the Apostle Pauls view of teaching, correction and training in righteousness.

It's the reproof aspect you are struggling with.

 

[face2face]

strawman- we are talking about the bible.

its impossible for bot of our views to be right. one of us is definitely wrong, and guess what on the gospel and resurrection its not me. your beliefs on the Resurrection line up much more closely the the JW cult then it does Christianity.

all you want to do is post a bunch of "study" from shawn then not accept it when you are challenged to defend those ideas.

hope this helps !!!

The irony here is you and I could easily be in a debate on many issues, but here we are in a way, trying to help MattG examine himself - step back and get a good look at how he interacts with people. I really do think if he was teachable he could learn even the slightest of truths and insights...we all have things we can share. Like my discussions with Jane recently, even though she could see the most beautiful lessons she couldn't give an inch, to do so would be to admit she is wrong and the 8500 members of her body are wrong also. Maybe that's the issue - there is much more riding on "giving an inch" than many like to admit.

 

[ChristisGod]

More weakness MattG

2 Timothy 3:16 Every scripture is inspired by God and useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, may be capable and equipped for every good work.

Your spirit within this post is not in line with the Apostle Pauls view of teaching, correction and training in righteousness.

It's the reproof aspect you are struggling with.

We should welcome having our beliefs challenged and the opportunity to defend what we believe and why we believe it and have the doctrines scrutinized. And if we are shown to be wrong then take that correction. I have learned allot over the years on forums like this and have changed my views on certain things I believed were true but shown to be wrong. Its a prideful spirit that refuses to believe they can be wrong. I was a staunch calvinist for over 40 years and just this past year came out of most of those teachings and have revised many of me beliefs. If I was not teachable that would be impossible. A teacher by definition is teachable and always learning and open to correction.

 

[MatthewG]

It doesn’t really bother me if you guys with agree with each other or whatever your doing, I just let things run through like water.

I am weak and need Christ to have strength.

 

[face2face]

We should welcome having our beliefs challenged and the opportunity to defend what we believe and why we believe it and have the doctrines scrutinized. And if we are shown to be wrong then take that correction. I have learned allot over the years on forums like this and have changed my views on certain things I believed were true but shown to be wrong. Its a prideful spirit that refuses to believe they can be wrong. I was a staunch calvinist for over 40 years and just this past year came out of most of those teachings and have revised many of me beliefs. If I was not teachable that would be impossible. A teacher by definition is teachable and always learning and open to correction.

I agree with all the above.
There is a very serious side to this conversation found in James 3

3:1 Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers and sisters, because you know that we will be judged more strictly.

This is why I am super cautious with commenting on a Scripture or subject that I have not pondered and studied prayerfully, because to speak against the Word as I believe MattG does often, is very dangerous - both for himself and the little ones he will cause to stumble.

 

[face2face]

It doesn’t really bother me if you guys with agree with each other or whatever your doing, I just let things run through like water.

I am weak and need Christ to have strength.

It's a shame MattG you can't see your weakness is in spiritual matters concerning Christ.

James 1:5 But if anyone is deficient in wisdom, he should ask God, who gives to all generously and without reprimand, and it will be given to him. 1:6 But he must ask in faith without doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed around by the wind.

It's advice for all of us MattG - it just happens to be aimed at you for the moment ;)

blue text is imagery - not to be taken as literal sea's tossed and blown around!

 

[MatthewG]

People should never believe anyone and what they teach, unless they have done the studying for themselves.

I personally believe it is highly profitable for an individual in their life to study each and every single book of the Bible and do a verse by verse study and comparing scripture with scripture.

That is why I’m so adamant about saying never believe me or follow because they should be encouraged to do the work themselves.

What a strain and work to go verse by verse on every book of the Bible! But so profitable and beneficial for the individual that does it prayerfully and by the Holy Spirit.

 

[face2face]

What a strain and work to go verse by verse on every book of the Bible! But so profitable and beneficial for the individual that does it prayerfully and by the Holy Spirit.

A question - do you believe its possible for Christ to say to a believer "I never knew you" though they all their lives believed they were taught by the Holy Spirit?

 

[MatthewG]

As long a person has faith, in the death, burial and Resurrection of Christ and loves God and loves others, would Jesus really reject them?

The question you are referring to is lord Lord did we not do whatever in your name, and he will say depart from me I never knew you?

It was all works based and they were saying look at us look what we did and believing in themselves and not trusting fully in the Lord.

You can see Jerusalem and the idolatry it fell into, those in that time and age where looking at ways to kill the Lord.

So yes it is a stern warning by Jesus to not look to yourself but look to him.

 

[ChristisGod]

I agree with all the above.
There is a very serious side to this conversation found in James 3

3:1 Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers and sisters, because you know that we will be judged more strictly.

This is why I am super cautious with commenting on a Scripture or subject that I have not pondered and studied prayerfully, because to speak against the Word as I believe MattG does often, is very dangerous - both for himself and the little ones he will cause to stumble.

I concur I generally stick to certain topics of study that I have deep dived into over the past 4 decades. One is the Trinity, the Deity and humanity of Christ , the gospel which at its core is the Resurrection and secondary issues such as calvinism/arminianism. I have done my due diligence with both sides of the afterlife with and without Christ in both eternal places- heaven/hell,lake of fire. I use to debate end times dispensationalism, pre/post millennialism, amillennialism etc.... But came to the conclusion with those debates the important thing Jesus and the Apostles taught was His immanent return and to be ready like a bride awaiting her groom. That s just a little background and to give you an idea of my past and present beliefs.

 

[face2face]

As long a person has faith, in the death, burial and Resurrection of Christ and loves God and loves others, would Jesus really reject them?

The question you are referring to is lord Lord did we not do whatever in your name, and he will say depart from me I never knew you?

It was all works based and they were saying look at us look what we did and believing in themselves and not trusting fully in the Lord.

You can see Jerusalem and the idolatry it fell into, those in that time and age where looking at ways to kill the Lord.

So yes it is a stern warning by Jesus to not look to yourself but look to him.

So how does a person know, as I assume you do, that you are being lead by the Spirit in your teaching?

 

[MatthewG]

They test all things by the spirit.

• “Rejoice always, pray without ceasing, in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you. Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies. Test all things; hold fast what is good. Abstain from every form of evil.”
• ‭‭I Thessalonians‬ ‭5:16-22‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[face2face]

I concur I generally stick to certain topics of study that I have deep dived into over the past 4 decades. One is the Trinity, the Deity and humanity of Christ , the gospel which at its core is the Resurrection and secondary issues such as calvinism/arminianism. I have done my due diligence with both sides of the afterlife with and without Christ in both eternal places- heaven/hell,lake of fire. I use to debate end times dispensationalism, pre/post millennialism, amillennialism etc.... But came to the conclusion with those debates the important thing Jesus and the Apostles taught was His immanent return and to be ready like a bride awaiting her groom. That s just a little background and to give you an idea of my past and present beliefs.

Nice conclusion.
What I have found in my years of discussing the truth is if a person has one core doctrine wrong, it echoes right through most other doctrines making it very difficult process. I've found of late also, that many Christians go to the Revelation to prove their teachings which as you know is highly symbolic book and requires years of training in the OT to grasp. I notice MattG clings to Revelation 22 at the expense of all other texts. I honestly don't get it. I've also noticed many Christian doctrines in this forum cannot be proved from Genesis 1-11 - that's also a concern. In the end the Lord will resolve it all God willing.

 

[face2face]

They test all things by the spirit.

• “Rejoice always, pray without ceasing, in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you. Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies. Test all things; hold fast what is good. Abstain from every form of evil.”
• ‭‭I Thessalonians‬ ‭5:16-22‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Ah good answer MattG when you read "Test all things" do you see it is this Acts of the Apostles 17:11