Scripture Study of The Immortal Soul (Spirit of Man/Woman)

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ChristisGod

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Nice conclusion.
What I have found in my years of discussing the truth is if a person has one core doctrine wrong, it echoes right through most other doctrines making it very difficult process. I've found of late also, that many Christians go to the Revelation to prove their teachings which as you know is highly symbolic book and requires years of training in the OT to grasp. I notice MattG clings to Revelation 22 at the expense of all other texts. I honestly don't get it. I've also noticed many Christian doctrines in this forum cannot be proved from Genesis 1-11 - that's also a concern. In the end the Lord will resolve it all God willing.
Its funny you said that because it was my personal journey since around 2015 that had me questioning things I had been taught and took for granted were true. Theology by definition is the study ( ology) of God ( Theo ). So it was my study on the nature/attributes of God prior to Creation ( His innate attributes ) apart from His creation that attentionally caused me to reject many things calvin and augustine taught. For example Gods Sovereignty only applies to creation whereas Love is who He is between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. There are many other examples but God being love caused me to reject calvinists definition of Sovereignty, predestination, determinism, tulip etc......
 

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Respect to all persons here on the board. No matter where they are at or where they come from, or what they have done.

Love is so important.
 

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Respect to all persons here on the board. No matter where they are at or where they come from, or what they have done.

Love is so important.
You didn't like that last question MattG? Concerned where it was going?
 
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Listen it’s very annoying for people to pester others in my opinion and what has been done through the several last post is simply pestering between yourself and Chris.

I haven’t tried to come at you in anyway nor have felt inclined for the need to try to self justify myself with either one of you both.

We are justified in Christ Jesus because of faith that is a gift of God. Yes I do like to teach the word, and people come up and judge me for it, but when they start teaching I just let them believe whatever they are going to out of mutual respect and agape love.

People are funny and I’ve dealt with plenty of them through out the course of my life, and what Jesus has taught me is to have love for all people no matter who they are, where they come from, or what they have done in their life.

So please stop with the pestering bullsh**, if you respect me as a human being.
 

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I’m reminded of when John told Jesus that they saw someone else casting demons in his name…and we forbid him to (something like that).

It’s very interesting because Jesus doesn’t condemn John for what he had done and the other disciples had did because they had tried for forbid him to.

Jesus said leave him alone, whoever is not against me is for me.

This is such an important principle to learn from the King, and the disciples and their choices.
 

ChristisGod

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Im reminded of these scriptures, what do they mean @MatthewG



Matthew 7:15-16
"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.


Acts 20:29-31
I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. 31 So be on your guard!


1 Corinthians 5:9-13
I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."

2 Corinthians 6:14-17
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15
For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.


1 Timothy 6:3-5
If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 4 he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 5 and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth


2 Timothy 2:14-17
Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. 15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 16 Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly. 17 Their teaching will spread like gangrene.


2 Peter 2:1-3
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them — bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

1 John 4:1-3
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

Jude 1:3-4
I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints. 4 For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

Jude 1:12-13
These men are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm — shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted — twice dead. 13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.


2 John 1:7-11
Many deceivers
, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8 Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. 9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. 11 Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.

hope this helps !!!
 

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It’s annoying Christopher, I gonna have to put you on ignore. I tried my patience with you, all you can do is continue how you are going to be.

Sorry I just can’t play your game anymore.

I really respect you as a human being though, and love you either way. Just this game you play is not going to work with me.
 
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It’s annoying Christopher, I gonna have to put you on ignore. I tried my patience with you, all you can do is continue how you are going to be.

Sorry I just can’t play your game anymore.

I really respect you as a human being though, and love you either way. Just this game you play is not going to work with me.
You cannot tell us what those verses mean ?

Why don't you study them for us and tell us what they mean and how you reconcile love with false teachers.

hope this helps !!!
 

MatthewG

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You can just start your own thread brother.

That’s all you have to do. If people want to know about false prophets and idolatries all they gotta do is go look up those words in the Greek and Hebrew and grab a study bible and learn it.

You are trying to get me on the spot as a demanding that I should just submit to you as though you have some type of authority my friend.

Sorry to tell you, you don’t have any authority so I really wish you would just leave me alone because you are getting to the point of harassing me rather than pestering, @Christophany.

Just leave me alone dude I would much appreciate that.
 

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So please stop with the pestering bullsh**, if you respect me as a human being.

You're being sensitive MattG - I was hoping to discuss with you the example of the Bereans, but clearly you didn't want to go there either.
 
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That is alright, many people on here know about the bereans and if you ever feel like talking about a certain subject please make your own thread about it and people will come and talk to you about it. Thank you @face2face. It’s not that I’m being sensitive I just desire for people to stop their bs. However you can’t really do nothing about that people are going to be how people are. Lead by their flesh or if they are a Christian the choice to be lead by the spirit.

Im only human and can only hand so much, and so as it is for the rest of everyone else on these forums sights who all have feelings and emotions just as much as you sir.

So please be encouraged to make your own threads and if you differ with someone just let them be there is no reason to be so high and mighty on how much a persons know.

Cause knowledge doesn’t mean anything if we can’t have love.


“And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.”
‭‭I Corinthians‬ ‭13:2‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
 

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You're being sensitive MattG - I was hoping to discuss with you the example of the Bereans, but clearly you didn't want to go there either.
I didn't realize he used such foul and abusive language.

Ephesians 4:29
Don’t use foul or abusive language. Let everything you say be good and helpful, so that your words will be an encouragement to those who hear them.

Ephesians 5:4
Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk, or crude joking, which are out of character, but rather thanksgiving.

Colossians 3:8
But now you must put aside all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.

Colossians 4:6
Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.

Ecclesiastes 10:12
The words of a wise man's mouth are gracious, but the lips of a fool consume him.
 

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Listen it’s very annoying for people to pester others in my opinion and what has been done through the several last post is simply pestering between yourself and Chris.

I haven’t tried to come at you in anyway nor have felt inclined for the need to try to self justify myself with either one of you both.

We are justified in Christ Jesus because of faith that is a gift of God. Yes I do like to teach the word, and people come up and judge me for it, but when they start teaching I just let them believe whatever they are going to out of mutual respect and agape love.

People are funny and I’ve dealt with plenty of them through out the course of my life, and what Jesus has taught me is to have love for all people no matter who they are, where they come from, or what they have done in their life.

So please stop with the pestering bullsh**, if you respect me as a human being.
1 Corinthians 13
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.

hope this helps !!!
 
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Thanks brother, hope in the future you’ll be that way with me and I the same to you.

The fact that it hasn’t been present doesn’t really change anything.

It is amazing how people can use the scripture to cut throats of people… posting massive scripture just for the sake of one’s own satisfaction of “ha I got that man” is not love.
 

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You remind me of my mother too, my friend.

She always needed to have the last word.

She is 62 now, she simmered down and I have to, we use to be down each other’s throat and I use to hate her… and the rest of my family.

I use to hate God and Jesus.

It is amazing what happens when one lets Jesus in and guide them by the spirit.
 

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What I do see is how people can be manipulative, they will mock you and laugh at you, downplay you behind your back, and never honest up front with another person.

I use to be that person who would use people to his own advantage and try to mentally break them down for my own satisfaction.

God changed me though, gave me a new mind and a new heart.

So people out there beware of these manipulative tactics they come in trying to be nice and press you until you break and then you start feeling as though you are the one who is going insane!

It very scary and worrisome that many people hav experienced and their is only true rest in looking to the Lord Jesus Christ!

Always look to him and if you wanna know what the Bible says go by yourself alone with a pad to write down things you see and learn about it.

There are very helpful study bibles but also word study books out there of Hebrew and Greek and it will enhance your learning as you continue to grow, in the spirit and in knowledge of God.

Love to all, and always forgive your enemies.
 

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Why do people not believe in the immortal soul? The soul (spirit of Man/Woman) is composed of (mind/will/emotion) of an individual that is housed inside of a body - that is formed in the womb of the woman, that is created by God (of course some factors of what a person does to their body while pregnant does cause some problems during creation of the baby inside of the womb.)

  • Ecclesiastes 12:7 And the dust returneth to the earth as it was, And the spirit returneth to God who gave it.


  • Matthew 10:28 And be not afraid of those killing the body, and are not able to kill the soul, but fear rather Him who is able both soul and body to destroy in gehenna.


  • Luke 12:20 `And God said to him, Unthinking one! this night thy soul they shall require from thee, and what things thou didst prepare -- to whom shall they be?

  • 1 Corinthians 15:54 and when this corruptible may have put on incorruption, and this mortal may have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the word that hath been written, `The Death was swallowed up -- to victory;

  • Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those who have been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, and because of the word of God, and who did not bow before the beast, nor his image, and did not receive the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand, and they did live and reign with Christ the thousand years;
Accordingly to scripture - souls live on in the afterlife ; before Jesus Christ and his return souls (or the spirit of man/woman) would reside in Sheol (the covering place of the dead - those who had died and passed away on earth.)

These scriptures make it clear that the soul (spirit of man) continues on after this life that soul is a part of you as a person now today. There are two destinations in my best estimation today, for people to go to that is the Heavenly Realm - being outside of the Kingdom having died not being a child of or a Son or Daughter of God. The second or first however you decide to apply this is in the new Heavenly Jerusalem where God resides inside of the the new spiritual city, according to Revelation 22.

  • Revelation 22:14-15
  • 14 `Happy are those doing His commands that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of the life, and by the gates they may enter into the city;
  • 15 and without [are] the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a lie.

Why? Because God told Adam and Eve they would die, and later explained what death is. satan is the one who said you will not die, which is absurd. Nope I side with Jehovah on this one, people can and do die, and as the Bible states point blank, are in the grave. If they did not die, why did Jesus have to die, or what need is there for a resurrection sir?
 

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Why? Because God told Adam and Eve they would die, and later explained what death is. satan is the one who said you will not die, which is absurd. Nope I side with Jehovah on this one, people can and do die, and as the Bible states point blank, are in the grave. If they did not die, why did Jesus have to die, or what need is there for a resurrection sir?

Adam and Eve did die that day, spiritually, then they were taken out of the Garden. Adam died 900 years later. This is why many people put a lot of emphasis on being born from above - becoming alive spiritually from being spiritually dead. However, All people who had died since Adam - Jesus, before the resurrection were all placed in Hades, which has two compartments (Paradise/Sheol).

So Jesus was the second Adam (1 Corinthians 15:45), He was the one who obeyed God, and fulfilled all of the law and the prophets. So that God through Christ could reconcile the world unto himself.
 

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Thanks brother, hope in the future you’ll be that way with me and I the same to you.

The fact that it hasn’t been present doesn’t really change anything.

It is amazing how people can use the scripture to cut throats of people… posting massive scripture just for the sake of one’s own satisfaction of “ha I got that man” is not love.
Hebrews 4:12-13
For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
 

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Adam and Eve did die that day, spiritually, then they were taken out of the Garden. Adam died 900 years later. This is why many people put a lot of emphasis on being born from above - becoming alive spiritually from being spiritually dead. However, All people who had died since Adam - Jesus, before the resurrection were all placed in Hades, which has two compartments (Paradise/Sheol).

So Jesus was the second Adam (1 Corinthians 15:45), He was the one who obeyed God, and fulfilled all of the law and the prophets. So that God through Christ could reconcile the world unto himself.
Where does the BIBLE not what you have been taught say they died " spiritually " that day ?

hope this helps !!!