Scripture Study of The Immortal Soul (Spirit of Man/Woman)

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Why do people not believe in the immortal soul? The soul (spirit of Man/Woman) is composed of (mind/will/emotion) of an individual that is housed inside of a body - that is formed in the womb of the woman, that is created by God (of course some factors of what a person does to their body while pregnant does cause some problems during creation of the baby inside of the womb.)

  • Ecclesiastes 12:7 And the dust returneth to the earth as it was, And the spirit returneth to God who gave it.


  • Matthew 10:28 And be not afraid of those killing the body, and are not able to kill the soul, but fear rather Him who is able both soul and body to destroy in gehenna.


  • Luke 12:20 `And God said to him, Unthinking one! this night thy soul they shall require from thee, and what things thou didst prepare -- to whom shall they be?

  • 1 Corinthians 15:54 and when this corruptible may have put on incorruption, and this mortal may have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the word that hath been written, `The Death was swallowed up -- to victory;

  • Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those who have been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, and because of the word of God, and who did not bow before the beast, nor his image, and did not receive the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand, and they did live and reign with Christ the thousand years;
Accordingly to scripture - souls live on in the afterlife ; before Jesus Christ and his return souls (or the spirit of man/woman) would reside in Sheol (the covering place of the dead - those who had died and passed away on earth.)

These scriptures make it clear that the soul (spirit of man) continues on after this life that soul is a part of you as a person now today. There are two destinations in my best estimation today, for people to go to that is the Heavenly Realm - being outside of the Kingdom having died not being a child of or a Son or Daughter of God. The second or first however you decide to apply this is in the new Heavenly Jerusalem where God resides inside of the the new spiritual city, according to Revelation 22.

  • Revelation 22:14-15
  • 14 `Happy are those doing His commands that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of the life, and by the gates they may enter into the city;
  • 15 and without [are] the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a lie.

All this you have said here above contradicts Genesis 2:7, this Scripture says, "And the YHWH God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

This scripture is clearly saying that God formed from the dust of the ground a flesh and blood human body then blew the breath of life(spirit) into that flesh and blood human body, and that flesh an blood human body became a living Soul or living person. So anyone saying that the soul was given to the flesh and blood human body is in error. It is the flesh and blood human body that becomes the living soul or living person. That breath of life(spirit) that God blows into that flesh and blood human body isn't a living soul or living person. People are mistaken when they say man has a soul. The scriptures clearly show the flesh and blood human being is a soul, the scriptures doesn't say man has a soul. So anyone saying that spirit(breath of life) in a flesh and blood human body is a soul are incorrect.
 

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Why do people not believe in the immortal soul? The soul (spirit of Man/Woman) is composed of (mind/will/emotion) of an individual that is housed inside of a body - that is formed in the womb of the woman, that is created by God (of course some factors of what a person does to their body while pregnant does cause some problems during creation of the baby inside of the womb.)

  • Ecclesiastes 12:7 And the dust returneth to the earth as it was, And the spirit returneth to God who gave it.


  • Matthew 10:28 And be not afraid of those killing the body, and are not able to kill the soul, but fear rather Him who is able both soul and body to destroy in gehenna.


  • Luke 12:20 `And God said to him, Unthinking one! this night thy soul they shall require from thee, and what things thou didst prepare -- to whom shall they be?

  • 1 Corinthians 15:54 and when this corruptible may have put on incorruption, and this mortal may have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the word that hath been written, `The Death was swallowed up -- to victory;

  • Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those who have been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, and because of the word of God, and who did not bow before the beast, nor his image, and did not receive the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand, and they did live and reign with Christ the thousand years;
Accordingly to scripture - souls live on in the afterlife ; before Jesus Christ and his return souls (or the spirit of man/woman) would reside in Sheol (the covering place of the dead - those who had died and passed away on earth.)

These scriptures make it clear that the soul (spirit of man) continues on after this life that soul is a part of you as a person now today. There are two destinations in my best estimation today, for people to go to that is the Heavenly Realm - being outside of the Kingdom having died not being a child of or a Son or Daughter of God. The second or first however you decide to apply this is in the new Heavenly Jerusalem where God resides inside of the the new spiritual city, according to Revelation 22.

  • Revelation 22:14-15
  • 14 `Happy are those doing His commands that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of the life, and by the gates they may enter into the city;
  • 15 and without [are] the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a lie.
Genesis 2:7 doesn't say that God gave man a soul. It says that man is a soul. For anyone to discard the human body teaching that the human body isn't the soul, I'm going to disagree.
The ideas that the english speaking people have on the word “soul” are not in agreement with the meaning of the Hebrew and Greek words as used by the inspired Bible writers. This fact has steadily gained wider acknowledgment. Back in 1897, in the Journal of Biblical Literature (Vol. XVl, p.30), Professor C. A. Briggs, as a result of detailed analysis of the use of word nephesh, observed: “Soul in English usage at the present time conveys a very different meaning from nephesh in Hebrew, and it is easy for the incautious reader to misinterpret.”

More recently, when The Jewish Publication Society of America issued a new translation of the Torah, or first five books of the Bible, the editor-in-chief, H. M. Orlinsky of Hebrew Union College, stated that the word “soul” had been virtually eliminated from this translation because, “the Hebrew word in question here is ‘Nefesh.’” He added: “Other translators have interpreted it to mean ‘soul,’ which is completely inaccurate. The Bible does not say we have a soul. ‘Nefesh’ is the person himself, his need for food, the very blood in his veins, his being.”(The New York Times, October 12, 1962)
So going by what this the editor-in-chief, H. M. Orlinsky of Hebrew Union College, has said the human body is the soul. It's not some living person in the human body as many people believe today.

What is the origin of the belief or teaching that the human soul is invisible and immortal? It lies in the fact that the meanings popularly attached to the English word “soul” come primarily, not from the Hebrew or Christian Greek Scriptures, but from ancient Greek philosophy, which is actually pagan religious thought. Greek philosopher Plato, for example, quotes Socrates as saying: “The soul, . . . if it departs pure, dragging with it nothing of the body, . . . goes away into that which is like itself, into the invisible, divine, immortal, and wise, and when it arrives there it is happy, freed from error and folly and fear . . . and all the other human ills, and . . . lives in truth through all after time with the gods.”(Phaedo, 80, D, E; 81, A)
Why do people not believe in the immortal soul? The soul (spirit of Man/Woman) is composed of (mind/will/emotion) of an individual that is housed inside of a body - that is formed in the womb of the woman, that is created by God (of course some factors of what a person does to their body while pregnant does cause some problems during creation of the baby inside of the womb.)

  • Ecclesiastes 12:7 And the dust returneth to the earth as it was, And the spirit returneth to God who gave it.


  • Matthew 10:28 And be not afraid of those killing the body, and are not able to kill the soul, but fear rather Him who is able both soul and body to destroy in gehenna.


  • Luke 12:20 `And God said to him, Unthinking one! this night thy soul they shall require from thee, and what things thou didst prepare -- to whom shall they be?

  • 1 Corinthians 15:54 and when this corruptible may have put on incorruption, and this mortal may have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the word that hath been written, `The Death was swallowed up -- to victory;

  • Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those who have been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, and because of the word of God, and who did not bow before the beast, nor his image, and did not receive the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand, and they did live and reign with Christ the thousand years;
Accordingly to scripture - souls live on in the afterlife ; before Jesus Christ and his return souls (or the spirit of man/woman) would reside in Sheol (the covering place of the dead - those who had died and passed away on earth.)

These scriptures make it clear that the soul (spirit of man) continues on after this life that soul is a part of you as a person now today. There are two destinations in my best estimation today, for people to go to that is the Heavenly Realm - being outside of the Kingdom having died not being a child of or a Son or Daughter of God. The second or first however you decide to apply this is in the new Heavenly Jerusalem where God resides inside of the the new spiritual city, according to Revelation 22.

  • Revelation 22:14-15
  • 14 `Happy are those doing His commands that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of the life, and by the gates they may enter into the city;
  • 15 and without [are] the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a lie.

 

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Some believe the ideas or definitions that most english speaking people have on the word “soul” are not in agreement with the meaning of the Hebrew and Greek words as used by the inspired Bible writers and they have done research and study and seen this fact steadily gain wider acknowledgment. Like back in 1897, in the Journal of Biblical Literature (Vol. XVl, p. 30), Professor C. A. Briggs, as a result of detailed analysis of the use of nephesh, observed: “Soul in English usage at the present time conveys usually a very different meaning from nephesh in Hebrew, and it is easy for the incautious reader to misinterpret.”

More recently, when The Jewish Publication Society of America issued a new translation of the Torah, or first five books of the Bible, the editor-in-chief, H. M. Orlinsky of Hebrew Union College, stated that the word “soul” had been virtually eliminated from this translation because, “the Hebrew word in question here is ‘Nefesh.’” He added: “Other translators have interpreted it to mean ‘soul,’ which is completely inaccurate. The Bible does not say we have a soul. ‘Nefesh’ is the person himself, his need for food, the very blood in his veins, his being.” (The New York Times, October 12, 1962) So the editor-in-chief, H. M. Orlinsky of Hebrew Union College, is saying the flesh and blood human being who needs to eat food, drink water and breathe oxygen is a soul. He isn't saying that the soul is some invisible or immortal person inside the human body that separates at death.


The origin of the teaching that the human soul is invisible and immortal doesn't come from the Hebrew or Christian Greek Scriptures, but from ancient Greek philosophy, which is pagan religious thought. Greek philosopher Plato, for example, quotes Socrates as saying: “The soul, . . . if it departs pure, dragging with it nothing of the body, . . . goes away into that which is like itself, into the invisible, divine, immortal, and wise, and when it arrives there it is happy, freed from error and folly and fear . . . and all the other human ills, and . . . lives in truth through all after time with the gods.”(Phaedo, 80, D, E; 81, A)


In direct contrast with the Greek teaching of the Greek word psykhe (soul) as being immaterial, intangible, invisible, and immortal, the Scriptures show that both the Greek word psykhe(soul) and the Hebrew word nephesh(soul) as used with reference to earthly creatures, refer to that which is material, tangible, visible, and mortal. The scriptures don't teach that the soul is some invisible or immortal person inside the human body or that it separates from the body at death.

The New Catholic Encyclopedia says: “Nepes [neʹphesh] is a term of far greater extension than our ‘soul,’ signifying life (Exodus 21.23; Deuteronomy 19.21) and its various vital manifestations: breathing (Genesis 35.18; Job 41.13[21]), blood [Genesis 9.4; Deuteronomy 12.23; Psalm 140(141).8], desire (2 Samuel 3.21; Proverbs 23.2). The soul in the Old Testament means not a part of man, but the whole man, man as a living being. Similarly, in the New Testament it signifies human life: the life of an individual, conscious subject (Matthew 2.20; 6.25; Luke 12.22-23; 14.26; John 10.11, 15, 17; 13.37).”(1967, Vol. XIII, p. 467)

The Roman Catholic translation, The New American Bible, in its “Glossary of Biblical Theology Terms” (pp. 27, 28), says: “In the New Testament, to ‘save one’s soul’ (Mark 8:35) does not mean to save some ‘spiritual’ part of man, as opposed to his ‘body’ (in the Platonic sense) but the whole person with emphasis on the fact that the person is living, desiring, loving and willing, etc., in addition to being concrete and physical.”(Edition published by P. J. Kenedy & Sons, New York, 1970)

At Ecclesiastes 12:7 the Hebrew word ruach or the Greek word pneuma translated spirit isn't the same as the Hebrew word nephesh and the Greek word psykhe which is translated soul. So Ecclesiastes 12:7 isn't saying the, nephesh or psykhe both being translated soul, is leaving the body, Ecclesiastes 12:7 is saying that ruach(spirit) or pneuma(spirit) is leaving the body but also we have to understand that Ecclesiastes 3:19 shows us that both animals and humans have the same spirit.(ruach or pneuma) So the spirit that returns to God isn't some invisible immortal person.
 

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Still going strong in the paint I see Barney.

That’s a lot of information but at the end of the day even at death my hope in faith is to be resurrected, same for all.

Jesus said all will be resurrected, so…

Either I believe him or do not, total choice there.

You can believe whatever you want. It’s your own personal view at the end of the day, sir.

Best regards,
Matthew Gallagher
 
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Why do people not believe in the immortal soul?
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The natural man says there is neither spirit nor soul, but only flesh and blood on earth.

The natural minded theologian says there is soul and spirit, that can only be with flesh and blood on earth.

A mortal soul of the body only, is no better than a body only: it's a distinction without a difference, and so is lip-service only.
 

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Still going strong in the paint I see Barney.

That’s a lot of information but at the end of the day even at death my hope in faith is to be resurrected, same for all.

Jesus said all will be resurrected, so…

Either I believe him or do not, total choice there.

You can believe whatever you want. It’s your own personal view at the end of the day, sir.

Best regards,
Matthew Gallagher
I never said or taught that there is no resurrection from the dead. The Bible has always taught that the hope for those that have died is the resurrection from the dead, but that means you need to be dead, meaning you're no longer a living person, to be resurrected back into existence as a living person. If you're still a living person you need not be resurrected back into existence as a living person.
 

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I never said or taught that there is no resurrection from the dead. The Bible has always taught that the hope for those that have died is the resurrection from the dead, but that means you need to be dead, meaning you're no longer a living person, to be resurrected back into existence as a living person. If you're still a living person you need not be resurrected back into existence as a living person.
Oh good deal then. I don’t understand why people have such a problem with the soul God gives to everyone when they are born from the womb.

Since the fall of Adam though we have been dead spiritually and need to made alive spiritually in Christ which leads to a relationship with the Father, moving from creations to children of God.

Those who have yet to be born again are creations of God, but what is amazing is that God still loves and cares for them, and I believe when they die they will rose up again even though they didn’t choose to be made alive in Christ here.

That soul is our mind/will/emotion/heart that is judged at death given a resurrected spirit body at death; with the judgment given by God who gives good gifts.

That is just my observation on the whole soul aspect, the scriptures shared in the first post still stand strong over our own opinions.
 

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Oh good deal then. I don’t understand why people have such a problem with the soul God gives to everyone when they are born from the womb.

Since the fall of Adam though we have been dead spiritually and need to made alive spiritually in Christ which leads to a relationship with the Father, moving from creations to children of God.

Those who have yet to be born again are creations of God, but what is amazing is that God still loves and cares for them, and I believe when they die they will rose up again even though they didn’t choose to be made alive in Christ here.

That soul is our mind/will/emotion/heart that is judged at death given a resurrected spirit body at death; with the judgment given by God who gives good gifts.

That is just my observation on the whole soul aspect, the scriptures shared in the first post still stand strong over our own opinions.

God's word tells us at Genesis 2:7 how God created man, and Genesis 2:7 doesn't say God gave man a living soul, it teaches that man or a human being is a living soul or living person. Genesis 2:7 is teaching us that God took dust from the ground and formed that dust into a flesh and blood human body and then God blew the breath(spirit) of life into that flesh and blood human body and that flesh and blood human body became a living soul or living person. So if anyone says that the breath(spirit) of life separately on it's own not being in a flesh and blood human body is a living soul or living person they're contradicting Genesis 2:7
 

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I've tired to explain it. If God gives a living spirit or soul (mind/will/emotion) to his creation, I don't see what the deal is. That soul/spirit is going back to be resurrected into a new spiritual body after leaving this life. So I don't find it such a big deal to say that people move from this life to the next life. This body physical body goes back down to the ground into dust, or ashes if you decide for a mortician to burn your body (which was given by God at birth).
 
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@MatthewG , what do you make of scriptures like John 5:28-29 where it speaks of the resurrection of those who have done good and bad in their lifetime? Where does Jesus call them from? It says "from their tombs". How can Jesus call these ones from their tombs (as he did Lazarus) if they are not still in them?
Revelation 20:6 speaks about the "first resurrection" of those who will rule as "kings and priests" with Jesus in heaven. What does it mean that these have a "first resurrection"? To be "first", another must follow.

And then read 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17....
"But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. 14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. 15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord." (ESV)

Paul was speaking about his fellow elect....who would sleep in death "until the coming of the Lord" and would not be raised before them. The "dead in Christ" were to rise "first".....Revelation 14:1-5 speaks of these ones as "bought from among mankind as firstfruits".....these are the 144,000 who are "bought from the earth" (which to an agricultural people meant the first and best of the crop.....it also meant that a secondary crop would come later.)

There are two different resurrections and two very different destinations for both. The elect (a finite number) will join Christ in heaven as "kings and priests" for redeemed mankind who will live on the earth.....most of whom will be resurrected ones, called from their graves to start life again.. (John 5:28-29)
 

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I believe the 144,000 have already been taken. They were part of the nation of Israel. I believe the white throne judgment and the judgment of those who came out of hades has been completed. That is why I believe God has set up two places according to John in Revelation? Those outside and those inside.

It’s simple to me in looking at it from this perspective. Most believe they are still waiting on those things to occur I believe that they did by faith.

So… whatever you believe by faith it between you and God, and God loves us even though one may say no your wrong or no that can’t be.
 

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With this all done, anyone can become a son or daughter or child of God by faith, the kingdom is said to never stop increasing.

“For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called “Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David, and over his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and for evermore. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will do this.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9‬:‭6‬-‭7‬ ‭RSV‬‬

This kingdom with be set once Jesus had returned and the increase is said never to stop.

I believe he did return and set up this kingdom which is within believers and also will be after this life, I don’t believe like most do and believe they will be on a new earth … this one will continue to exist, and this leaves for people to always enter the kingdom.

the city in revelation is said to have 12 gates around it and they never close which is in the afterlife, what it all looks like I don’t know all I can go off us pictures and types @Aunty Jane