The demons believe Christ died for our sins too - does that mean demons are saved too?
1Peter says "baptism … now saves you". Does that mean all we need to be saved is to go through the ritual of baptism?
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1Peter says "baptism … now saves you". Does that mean all we need to be saved is to go through the ritual of baptism?
John 15:10 says you’ve got it back-to-front:
“If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love.”
1John 3:24 also you've got it back-to-front:
“All who keep His commandments abide in Him, and He in them.”
It is by our obedience to God’s commandments - ie, our works - that we abide in Christ. And this is the point - disobeying God’s commandments amounts to not abiding in Christ ... and disobedience (sin) can mean the difference between a believer going to Heaven and going to Hell - as Paul warns us in Gal 5 and 1Cor 6.
The bottom line is, we are not saved by faith alone, but by faith and obedience (aka faith and works).
Really? I can’t see any mention of faith in John 15:1-8. I do, however, see plenty about bearing “fruit”, which is righteousness, which is keeping God’s commandments, which is WORKS.
And it’s interesting that you stopped at verse 8, because verse 10 tells us how we abide in Christ - “If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love.” Again, nothing about faith, but rather, obedience to God’s commandments, which is WORKS.
There are a lot of "christians" that believe they are "christian". there are also people who still believe the world is Flat, as Jesus put it, "have faith in God", that demons do not have. Christians today still dont believe that when Jesus said" it is finished", HE meant it.
Paul said "if you walk in the Spirit, you will not sin".. "you will not commit works of the flesh".
John said, 1 Jn 3. """No one who is born of God will continue to sin"""
So, did they walk on water, or did they teach that you should not be a born again sinner?
You've been taught that you are to sin and repent.
That is why you do it.
You have been lied to by a cult, a church, a person, a denomination, a pastor, a pope, a commentary, your family, a priest, a friend, other forum heretics......
You believe wrong, because you have been taught to believe wrong.
John and Paul believed right., however, its not just about knowing you are not to sin, you have to learn how to stop.
I have many Threads posted to help you learn how to believe Right, and once you do, then what is causing you to keep sinning will be under your control, through God's Grace, vs, you being under its control, which is why you keep sinning and repenting and confessing.
I beg to differ (see Romans 4:5-6 (1-8), Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5 (4-7))
Since these passages declare plainly that we are not saved by works; what other thing accompanies faith in our salvation so that we are not saved by faith alone?
Keeping God's commandments is the result of abiding in Christ. We are connected to the vine by faith (Romans 5:2).
It is also the desired result of , trusting and relying on the Father, obeying Jesus. Obeying the Father. Being a DOer of His Word, and not just a hearer.
"Present your body a living sacrifice".
You should. You should live a life that pleases God.
However, this has no effect on your Salvation, as God didn't save you because you were good enough, He saved you because Jesus is Good enough.
Your "works", are no better in God's estimation after you are saved, then they were if you were tying to be good person, before you were saved.
Works are just Works.....they're just deeds we do.
God accepted you, if you are born again, based ONLY on what JESUS did, on the Cross , and only Keeps you, for the very same reason.
Its like this.....What saved you, Keeps you SAVED..... and that is not you works or your good deeds, or your repenting and confession.
This is so false. (not the living sacrifice part or the surrender) It denies the truth that Christians will be judged harder than the world. Many who are born again will be cast into outer darkness...because they are lawless in their works. Especially in these perilous times when men can no longer tolerate sound doctrine. So many are operating...as you are...by the reasoning in the flesh: ...not knowing the ways of God...and the terror of the Lord. Just a lot of seeming religious privilege based on presumptions and assumptions.
So you are playing with fire in your arrogance.
Our God is a consuming fire.
All that is not holy will burn away. All who have not added righteousness to their faith will suffer an eternal loss.
To whom much is given MORE is required. Grace is deceitful.
The answer is to humble yourself and fear the Lord.
The irony is that the very repentance that you eschew is the only thing that will save you from a terrible outcome on judgment day.
Repent and surrender to God while there is still time.
Do you realize that they who are sent into outer darkness HAVE eternal life. They are wanderers in the wilderness forever. And that's FOR the believers who refuse to humble themselves and repent. Jesus spits these from His mouth...to wander in darkness forever.
Jude:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
Carried about by winds of doctrine....as we see here.
The OP is against God's teaching...as well as many will also stand against God and His ways and teachings. These will receive eternal life...just not in a way of honour. In a great house there are both vesels of honour AND dishonour. same house...same lump...2 outcomes.
However, they have come into condemnation...something that God says will not happen to the born again (in John 5:24 (kjv))
You are making a statement not supported by scripture...and not seeing that the Greek here is not making any kind of open and shut case.
Pempo here is being translated as "on him that sent"...which is a huge leap.
In many places in John, Jesus speaks of those who believe INTO Him having eternal life. (or TO Him) Eternal life rests with Him not us.
So the bible is quite consistent with the idea that abiding in Christ is NOT the same as the one time born again experience. Never once in the bible does one act cover all future actions. We are to seek to enter in at the narrow door and then walk the narrow path. Being born again helps us to do that by preparing our hearts. It does not make the commandments and standards go away. Rather it enforces the holy standard. The law is not annulled...the law is upheld and established by the faith of Christ.
You sound a lot like Behold on this invention.
it is just an irresponsible twisting of the plain meaning of the text. Try to find a case where what you do has nothing to do with how you are seen by God.
So this whole idea of a saved superior status where there is immunity from prosecution from irresponsible acts is abhorrent to God and righteousness. We will be judged even by every thought...as well as word and deed. So the very opposite is true..To be born again means a higher race with a harder judgment. Not a lower race with an easier judgment. Jesus closed up the legal loopholes in the law. And now some false teachers want to eliminate any standard at all?
Learn more about righteousness.
How can God judge a man for that what He is already forgiven???
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So this whole idea of a saved superior status where there is immunity from prosecution from irresponsible acts is abhorrent to God and righteousness. We will be judged even by every thought...as well as word and deed. So the very opposite is true..To be born again means a higher race with a harder judgment. Not a lower race with an easier judgment. Jesus closed up the legal loopholes in the law. And now some false teachers want to eliminate any standard at all?
Learn more about righteousness.
“ Judged by every thought?” Jesus took my Judgement on the Cross...
“ Jesus closed up the legal loopholes? He most certainly did.....Now there is no Way to make it to Heaven unless one accepts God’s Way—GRACE Plus Nothing....You have NOTHING to offer to God other than your sins.....Pride is a dangerous thing.....Learn more about Satan’s Fall...
You talk about a “ Standard?”.....Indeed , there is one .....The Standard for those who want to be Justified by “their” Performance as opposed to “HIS” Performance , is Perfection 24/7....How ya doing with that?
“YOU” are the one who lacks understanding about “ Righteousness” .....The only Righteousness that you and I and anybody else is going to get is the “ imputed Righteousness” That comes from Believing the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4.....
All of this stuff is very basic...... Learn more about Christianity 101.......
Romans 4:5.
Can you explain more please on how this means that John 5:24 is not valid?
What is "pempo" supposed to mean? and how does the difference translate into condemnation for the one who believes on God?
Because it seems to me that you have not made a valid case for what you are trying to peddle.
then what do you do with the scripture advocate
1 John 2:1
My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;
looks like you need study up you get on here spewing junk sounding like tinkling brass
Its the context of the verse, Ezra.
Its not just the words read literally that is the LIGHT.
See, im on a "christian" forum dealing with a lot of people who are exactly as those who John is talking to..
These people are sinning and repenting.. Yet, there is no sin, because our Advocate has them already if we are IN CHRIST....
But baby Christian's in mind, do not understand this yet, so, what you do, is you talk to them, based on what they can understand.
You give "little children" BABY FOOD and MILK.
You uses words like "sin", when in fact, Paul explains that all SIN is forgiven. in Colossians 2:13 .
And you show them that God does not charge the Born again with "sin".... in Romans 4:8 As God can't charge you for what Jesus has removed from you.. on the Cross. God can NOT hold you accountable in Eternity, for what Jesus has died to redeem you from on the Cross on EARTH.
Yet the baby Christian thinks they still have theirs... So, you teach them regarding what they can understand..
See, that what you do with a "Little child", as John is doing with these "little children" these baby Christians.
But you dont just leave it there......you do what im doing....you give them more meat, and you watch their little baby teeth try to chew it.
And that is Paul or Me telling you this....
""""""Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God""..
What im doing here, is trying to get a lot of born again people, to move BEYOND the "elementary teaching" that you have to teach "little children" who are babes in Christ for 50 yrs.
Im trying to get you to grow out of the carnal baby theology mind of the FLESH and into the Grace of God MIND, which is the MEAT of Faith, that is to WALK in the SPIRIT.... so that you can stop "sinning and repenting".... as this is the ELEMENTARY baby learning to walk out their Salvation place of understanding.
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