Soul vs SPIRIT

[rwb]

None of those say anything about the spiritually dead being unable to recognize their lostness and want to be saved. John 6:64 is speaking about Jesus Spirit and flesh, having nothing to do with with the spiritually dead. Romans 8:9 is speaking about the already born again and again has nothing about what the spiritually dead can and cannot do. 1 Corinthians 2:14 is not about the spiritually dead at all. That entire chapter is Paul's defense of his own divine inspiration as an apostle of Jesus Christ. The natural man in that passage is not the unregenerate, but rather the non-divinely inspired person, regenerated or not. That includes you and me; neither of us is divinely inspired.

I biblically proved that you are wrong.

I realize you think you've proven the Bible says nothing about those who are spiritually DEAD being unable, through their free will, to turn to Christ for eternal life. You reason that since the New Testament was written for the Church, which is what those who have been made spiritually alive through the power of the Gospel and Spirit are, then these books would say nothing about what the spiritually DEAD can or cannot do. The problem with your reasoning is that you ASSUME those who are spiritually alive are not surrounded by the spiritually DEAD in this world. You tell us "The natural man in that passage is NOT the unregenerate, but rather the non-divinely inspired person, regenerated or not." This proves you don't even have understanding of what it is to be born again, because when Scripture writes of the natural man, it speaks of the man who is still spiritually DEAD, and therefore never been regenerated by the Holy Spirit of God. Don't lump me in with yourself saying "That includes you and me; neither of us is divinely inspired." FOR I KNOW IN WHOM I HAVE BELIEVED, AND THAT HE ALONE HAS GIVEN ME ETERNAL LIFE, I did not receive this knowledge naturally, but SUPERNATURALLY when I heard the Gospel through the power of the Holy Spirit and supernaturally received FAITH that enabled me to repent of my sins, believe the Gospel message and turn to Christ for eternal life.

Perhaps, lacking understanding of the way DEAD mankind is eternally saved, you speak the truth about yourself not being divinely inspired. I will pray that God may humble your heart and open your heart to know that eternal salvation is of the Lord, for He will save HIS PEOPLE from their sins and give (not offer) them eternal life.

 

[Ritajanice]

I realize you think you've proven the Bible says nothing about those who are spiritually DEAD being unable, through their free will, to turn to Christ for eternal life. You reason that since the New Testament was written for the Church, which is what those who have been made spiritually alive through the power of the Gospel and Spirit are, then these books would say nothing about what the spiritually DEAD can or cannot do. The problem with your reasoning is that you ASSUME those who are spiritually alive are not surrounded by the spiritually DEAD in this world. You tell us "The natural man in that passage is NOT the unregenerate, but rather the non-divinely inspired person, regenerated or not." This proves you don't even have understanding of what it is to be born again, because when Scripture writes of the natural man, it speaks of the man who is still spiritually DEAD, and therefore never been regenerated by the Holy Spirit of God. Don't lump me in with yourself saying "That includes you and me; neither of us is divinely inspired." FOR I KNOW IN WHOM I HAVE BELIEVED, AND THAT HE ALONE HAS GIVEN ME ETERNAL LIFE, I did not receive this knowledge naturally, but SUPERNATURALLY when I heard the Gospel through the power of the Holy Spirit and supernaturally received FAITH that enabled me to repent of my sins, believe the Gospel message and turn to Christ for eternal life.

Perhaps, lacking understanding of the way DEAD mankind is eternally saved, you speak the truth about yourself not being divinely inspired. I will pray that God may humble your heart and open your heart to know that eternal salvation is of the Lord, for He will save HIS PEOPLE from their sins and give (not offer) them eternal life.

Excellent...Amen!!

 

[JBO]

I did not receive this knowledge naturally, but SUPERNATURALLY when I heard the Gospel through the power of the Holy Spirit and supernaturally received FAITH that enabled me to repent of my sins, believe the Gospel message and turn to Christ for eternal life.

So you received that knowledge supernaturally? I have met so many others who make that same statement. But they all seem to disagree on so much of that supernaturally acquired knowledge. Why would God do that? Answer -- He wouldn't and doesn't. So what does that mean? It means that all those claims of supernaturally acquired knowledge is false.

 

[JBO]

Excellent...Amen!!

Says another who heretically claims to have received knowledge supernaturally.

 

[JBO]

The prophets and apostles did indeed receive knowledge supernaturally. They could prove it. There is no reason that we should simply believe that you or anyone else, like the prophets and apostles, have received knowledge supernaturally without proof.

 

[Ritajanice]

Says another who heretically claims to have received knowledge supernaturally.

God is Spirit?

How else are we going to receive his Living word?

Spirit gives birth to spirit.....now, if one had said this to me as an unregenerate......I would have said the same thing...along with the word “ BONKERS “......now look at me....Born of God....by his supernatural power......I can’t help but shout!!!!

 

[Ritajanice]

The prophets and apostles did indeed receive knowledge supernaturally. They could prove it. There is no reason that we should simply believe that you or anyone else, like the prophets and apostles, have received knowledge supernaturally without proof.

We don’t need to prove it to you lovey.....

 

[JBO]

God is Spirit?

How else are we going to receive his Living word?

John 20:30 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book;
John 20:31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

 

[Ritajanice]

John 20:30 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book;
John 20:31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

And?

You’ve just posted a few verses of scripture....anyone can do that?

Rom.8​

[1] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[2] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[3] For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[4] That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[5] For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[10] And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
[11] But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
[12] Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
[13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
[14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
[15] For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
[16] The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
[17] And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
[18] For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
[19] For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
[20] For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
[21] Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
[22] For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
[23] And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
[24] For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
[25] But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
[26] Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
[27] And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
[28] And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
[29] For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
[30] Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
[31] What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
[32] He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
[33] Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
[34] Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
[35] Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
[36] As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
[37] Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
[38] For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
[39] Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[JBO]

We don’t need to prove it to you lovey.....

Well yes, you really do need to prove it to anyone to whom you have made such a claim. Otherwise it has to be rejected.

Name calling. Typical of one who would falsely claim to be divinely inspired.

 

[Ritajanice]

Well yes, you really do need to prove it to anyone to whom you have made such a claim. Otherwise it has to be rejected.

Name calling. Typical of one who would falsely claim to be divinely inspired.

No one can prove they are Born Again, silly.....it’s a supernatural act of God?

Can I show you God’s Spirit in my spirit?

Rom.8​

[1] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[2] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[3] For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[4] That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[5] For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[10] And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
[11] But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
[12] Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
[13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
[14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
[15] For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
[16] The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
[17] And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
[18] For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
[19] For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
[20] For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
[21] Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
[22] For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
[23] And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
[24] For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
[25] But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
[26] Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
[27] And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
[28] And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
[29] For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
[30] Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
[31] What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
[32] He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
[33] Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
[34] Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
[35] Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
[36] As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
[37] Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
[38] For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
[39] Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[JBO]

And?

It is the answer to your question. It is amazing that anyone claiming to have divinely inspired knowledge wouldn't have known that. Well not really amazing, but hilariously funny.

 

[Ritajanice]

It is the answer to your question. It is amazing that anyone claiming to have divinely inspired knowledge wouldn't have known that. Well not really amazing, but hilariously funny.

You posted a couple of verses of scripture...completely out of context.

As I said...even a child could do that.....give me some meat?

Like I gave you Above....and discuss!?...yes?

 

[JBO]

No one can prove they are Born Again, silly.....it’s a supernatural act of God?

Not asking anyone to prove they are born again. Your claim was having supernaturally received knowledge. That's what you need to prove.

And you just can't stop with the name-calling.

 

[Ritajanice]

Not asking anyone to prove they are born again. Your claim was having supernaturally received knowledge. That's what you need to prove.

And you just can't stop with the name-calling.

I’ve already posted the Living word of God Above...did you miss it?

If you aren’t receiving and understanding that message from God....then only he can help you understand his word...I can’t?

I’m Born Again and only understand God’s Living word....not “ your” word I’m afraid.xx

 

[JBO]

You posted a couple of verses of scripture...completely out of context.

As I said...even a child could do that.....give me some meat?

Like I gave you Above....and discuss!?...yes?

So 39 verses is meat but 2 verses is not? Hilarious.

But what's to discuss? Why would anyone discuss with one who thinks they have supernaturally acquired knowledge?

 

[JBO]

I’ve already posted the Living word of God Above...did you miss it?

No, I didn't miss it and I, unlike you, even understand it.

 

[Ritajanice]

So 39 verses is meat but 2 verses is not? Hilarious.

But what's to discuss? Why would anyone discuss with one who thinks they have supernaturally acquired knowledge?

Look...I’m not here to argue...if you want to discuss scripture with me in context, then be my guest ....

If you keep continuing to throw insults and accusations...then I will report your post.

Discuss the topic....not the member please?

 

[Ritajanice]

No, I didn't miss it and I, unlike you, even understand it.

For the second time.

Discuss the topic...not the member..ok?

Stay on topic and quit this silly childish name calling.

 

[Ritajanice]

No, I didn't miss it and I, unlike you, even understand it.

Did you say you understood the scripture that I posted?

Or did you say you don’t understand the scripture I posted?

Please clarify?

I can assure you...I don’t understand all of scripture...only the Holy Spirit can lead me through scripture.for me to understand it.....I am NOTHING without the Holy Spirit....only he can lead me into God’s truth.