"That Wicked" has problems!

[Earburner]

No. God still has a plan for Israel. See Romans 11
They will--see Zechariah from the tenth chapter on. In the Millennial Kingdom, they will abide by the Old Covenant as well as the New Covenant.
Yes. True.

And the plan for Israel is the same plan, that is NOW for us. Rom. 11[22] Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
[23] And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
> Every Jew, since Jesus first appearance, who has died in unbelief of Jesus, is
"none of His". They were NOT graffed in!

 

[Phoneman777]

OK, but back to my question that you skipped over. Wasn't Israel a "church", a woman?
Did not "SHE" fall?
Speaking of Ancient kings, Israel and Jerusalem have been around alot lon

You are correct, Israel is also called a "harlot" because she claimed to serve God, but adopted the ways of heathenism. Likewise, the Roman church is an apostate, though she claims to be the true spouse of God, and God is calling sincere Catholics, Hindus, Jews, etc. out of their respective "babylonian" systems into His pure woman of Revelation 12 which "keep the commandments of God and have the testimony..and the faith of Jesus Christ." Revelation 12:17, Revelation 14:12

Just in old times when idolatrous Jezebel, the apostate religious leader, controlled weak Ahab, the secular state leader, so the papacy is the apostate church which controls states everywhere (through the interposition of secret societies), but that's another conspiracy story

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

And the plan for Israel is the same plan, that is NOW for us. Rom. 11[22] Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
[23] And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
> Every Jew, since Jesus first appearance, who has died in unbelief of Jesus, is
"none of His". They were NOT graffed in!

Not yet. Read Romans 11 from verse 11 right til the end. Verse 25b--->"I want you to understand this mystery, dear brothers and sisters, so that you will not feel proud about yourselves. Some of the people of Israel have hard hearts, but this will last only until the full number of Gentiles comes to Christ. And so all Israel will be saved. As the Scriptures say, 'The one who rescues will come from Jerusalem, and He will turn Israel away from ungodliness'. And this is my covenant with them, that I will take away their sins.”

There are more Jewish Christians in Israel today than ever before and their numbers are growing rapidly. They are so numerous, that they have been recognized by the Israeli government as deserving of representation in the Knesset.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

You are correct, Israel is also called a "harlot" because she claimed to serve God, but adopted the ways of heathenism. Likewise, the Roman church is an apostate, though she claims to be the true spouse of God, and God is calling sincere Catholics, Hindus, Jews, etc. out of their respective "babylonian" systems into His pure woman of Revelation 12 which "keep the commandments of God and have the testimony..and the faith of Jesus Christ." Revelation 12:17, Revelation 14:12

Just in old times when idolatrous Jezebel, the apostate religious leader, controlled weak Ahab, the secular state leader, so the papacy is the apostate church which controls states everywhere (through the interposition of secret societies), but that's another conspiracy story

Conspiracy fact. The Vatican has always been a hotbed of conspiracy. The Jesuits are dedicated to wiping out Protestant Christianity and they say that they will murder those who oppose them--right in their Jesuit oath! They use overt and covert means to do so. There are elements in the Roman hierarchy who worship God's enemy, Satan. Their Paul VI audience hall announces to the world that they worship the serpent. This information about Satanism at the Vatican has come from priests who have been assigned to the Vatican.

 

[Earburner]

Not yet. Read Romans 11 from verse 11 right til the end. Verse 25b--->"I want you to understand this mystery, dear brothers and sisters, so that you will not feel proud about yourselves. Some of the people of Israel have hard hearts, but this will last only until the full number of Gentiles comes to Christ. And so all Israel will be saved. As the Scriptures say, 'The one who rescues will come from Jerusalem, and He will turn Israel away from ungodliness'. And this is my covenant with them, that I will take away their sins.”

There are more Jewish Christians in Israel today than ever before and their numbers are growing rapidly. They are so numerous, that they have been recognized by the Israeli government as deserving of representation in the Knesset.

Not so fast!
Read Rom. 11:11-25 in the KJV, and you will understand what the HS is saying.[25] For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
[26] And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
[27] For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
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> When did "the deliverer" (Jesus) come out of Sion, to take away their sins?
Ans. Upon Jesus' first appearance, which is the NEW Covenant of now.
Only by the shed Blood of Christ can sin BE REMOVED.
Jesus is not coming again, to die again!!

Therefore, if Jews do not believe in Jesus now, before they die, they remain "condemned already", and are "none of His".

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Not so fast!
Read Rom. 11:11-25 in the KJV, and you will understand what the HS is saying.[25] For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
[26] And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
[27] For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
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> When did "the deliverer" (Jesus) come out of Sion, to take away their sins?
Ans. Upon Jesus' first appearance, which is the NEW Covenant of now.
Only by the shed Blood of Christ can sin BE REMOVED.
Jesus is not coming again, to die again!!

Therefore, if Jews do not believe in Jesus now, before they die, they remain "condemned already", and are "none of His".

Yes--I never denied that the Blood of Jesus was necessary to save all. But, when you say that God cannot do something new with Israel, you are denying God's sovereignty and ignoring His promises to Israel (which do NOT require obedience to come to fruition). Paul said in Romans 11:29--> "For God's gifts and His call can never be withdrawn."

 

[Earburner]

Yes--I never denied that the Blood of Jesus was necessary to save all. But, when you say that God cannot do something new with Israel, you are denying God's sovereignty and ignoring His promises to Israel (which do NOT require obedience to come to fruition). Paul said in Romans 11:29--> "For God's gifts and His call can never be withdrawn."

I don't think that you have seen/perceived the MOST of Israel, that was literally sealed/SAVED forever now, ON the Day of Pentecost.

Israel of faith, from Abraham to "the *thief on the cross", are found "under the alar", in the 5th Seal of Rev. 6:9-11, all of Israel who were of faith, but had died, looked for " the Promise to come", who was Jesus.
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In the day of Pentecost, that is WHEN they all, who had died in faith, received "the righteousness of Christ", through the Gift of the Holy Spirit (white robes) given to each one.
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Note: the thief on the cross died before Jesus did.

 

[Earburner]

Conspiracy fact. The Vatican has always been a hotbed of conspiracy. The Jesuits are dedicated to wiping out Protestant Christianity and they say that they will murder those who oppose them--right in their Jesuit oath! They use overt and covert means to do so. There are elements in the Roman hierarchy who worship God's enemy, Satan. Their Paul VI audience hall announces to the world that they worship the serpent. This information about Satanism at the Vatican has come from priests who have been assigned to the Vatican.

Now since, Jerusalem/Israel has been around much longer than the Vatican, which one is "the mother of harlots" ?

 

[Earburner]

You are correct, Israel is also called a "harlot" because she claimed to serve God, but adopted the ways of heathenism. Likewise, the Roman church is an apostate, though she claims to be the true spouse of God, and God is calling sincere Catholics, Hindus, Jews, etc. out of their respective "babylonian" systems into His pure woman of Revelation 12 which "keep the commandments of God and have the testimony..and the faith of Jesus Christ." Revelation 12:17, Revelation 14:12

Just in old times when idolatrous Jezebel, the apostate religious leader, controlled weak Ahab, the secular state leader, so the papacy is the apostate church which controls states everywhere (through the interposition of secret societies), but that's another conspiracy story

So then, the claim of the RCC being the true church, is false, because the SDA claim to be the true church!

 

[Earburner]

If you will note--in the first point I made, I said that the Church is the spiritual Temple of God, not the physical Temple of God (which was still standing at the time when Paul wrote those words in 1 Corinthians. Remember, Jesus said that His was a spiritual kingdom during His first visitation. At His second visitation, He will rule over both the spiritual kingdom that is the Church AND over the physical kingdom of Israel (which will contain a real physical Temple).

The temple made with hands, is not greater than the temple made without hands.

 

[Earburner]

Here is exactly what the Temple of the Living God looks like, some being hi-lited:
Rom. 12
[1] I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
[2] And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
[3] For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

[4] For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
[5] So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

[6] Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
[7] Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;
[8] Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.
[9] Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

[10] Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;
[11] Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
[12] Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;

[13] Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.
[14] Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.
[15] Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.

[16] Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
[17] Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
[18] If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
[19] Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
[20] Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
[21] Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
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In conclusion, for all we, who are Born Again of His Holy Spirit:
2 Peter 1[2] Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
[3] According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
[4] Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature,

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

The temple made with hands, is not greater than the temple made without hands.

Didn't say that it was.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Now since, Jerusalem/Israel has been around much longer than the Vatican, which one is "the mother of harlots" ?

What makes you think that just because it has been around longer, it must mean that it is the "mother of harlots"? Jerusalem is also called, "The City of the Great King". Jesus was greatly distressed as He saw the near future for Jerusalem. There is no mention of Him caring about any other city in the same way.

 

[Earburner]

What makes you think that just because it has been around longer, it must mean that it is the "mother of harlots"? Jerusalem is also called, "The City of the Great King". Jesus was greatly distressed as He saw the near future for Jerusalem. There is no mention of Him caring about any other city in the same way.

Yes! Because the Jews knew not the time of there visitation, the KoG was going to be taken from, and their house was going to be left unto them desolate. It's called judgment.
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And ever since "The City of the Great King" had fallen, Jesus has been preparing places in his Father's House, of many mansions [abodes, dwelling places], aka the Heavenly Jerusalem.

 

[Earburner]

Didn't say that it was.

My reasoning is, if the temple that is made without hands is revealed and is in existence, where is the need for the lesser temple, that is made with hands?

 

[Earburner]

Correction: ...taken from them

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Yes! Because the Jews knew not the time of there visitation, the KoG was going to be taken from, and their house was going to be left unto them desolate. It's called judgment.
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And ever since "The City of the Great King" had fallen, Jesus has been preparing places in his Father's House, of many mansions [abodes, dwelling places], aka the Heavenly Jerusalem.

Judgment on Israel was imminent when Isaiah prophesied the judgment that would soon be occurring. But God also announced through His prophet (Isaiah 49:13-17) that a nursing mother could forget about her baby before He could forget Israel. He said, in fact, that He had engraved their names on the palms of His hands and that He would one day return them to their land.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

My reasoning is, if the temple that is made without hands is revealed and is in existence, where is the need for the lesser temple, that is made with hands?

Neither is greater than the other.

 

[Earburner]

Yes! Because the Jews knew not the time of there visitation, the KoG was going to be taken from, and their house was going to be left unto them desolate. It's called judgment.
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And ever since "The City of the Great King" had fallen, Jesus has been preparing places in his Father's House, of many mansions [abodes, dwelling places], aka the Heavenly Jerusalem.

In addition, do not forget that in Dan. 9,
70 weeks (490 years) were determined upon
the Jews and their Holy city.
To finish the transgression, and
To make an end of sins, and
To make reconciliation for iniquity, and
To bring in everlasting righteousness, and
To seal up the vision and prophecy, and
To anoint the most Holy.

Who was it that came and did all that

 

[Earburner]

Neither is greater than the other.

You need to rethink that. You are saying that a building structure is where God would rather dwell, than within His people!