The 1260 day Tribulation

[Mike Tang 1991]

Can Jesus return if there is NO "Great Tribulation" (the 1260 days mentioned in Book of Revelation)?

 

[GISMYS_7]

The catching up of believers (rapture) comes before the years of the great tribulation followed by the return of Jesus to defeat all evil and set up His kingdom on earth and rule the nations with a rod of iron!!

 

[Mike Tang 1991]

The catching up of believers (rapture) comes before the years of the great tribulation followed by the return of Jesus to defeat all evil and set up His kingdom on earth and rule the nations with a rod of iron!!

The United Nations said the "rapture" is the aliens coming to take people with them to the New Earth planet for colonization

 

[Keraz]

Can Jesus return if there is NO "Great Tribulation" (the 1260 days mentioned in Book of Revelation)?

No; because that is also the time period when Satan has world control. Revelation 13:5-8, Daniel 7:23-25

When Jesus Returns, He destroys Satans armies at Armageddon and chains him up. Revelation 16:16-18

 

[nenagana]

No; because that is also the time period when Satan has world control. Revelation 13:5-8, Daniel 7:23-25

When Jesus Returns, He destroys Satans armies at Armageddon and chains him up. Revelation 16:16-18

Thats probably a correct statement..............Satan has no armies and no war, because the faithful are completely isolated from satan or this earth, spiritually................the controversy of revelation, deals with a "sign or a vision" that is when satan manages on his terms, to see the divid between the faithful spiritually, and try to tug on that.

For this reason, we go back to our original statement.............."7 Trumpets does not have the name of the Lord used or referred to", meaning there is no conflict between the lord and angels, or with satan. (the book of revelations voices a controversy of no sign and no vision............so its not negative not to have the lord's name in this clause, where as in the book of esther or ezra forget which, the lord's name is not there because god didn't bless the jewish peoples suicide pleasure with babylon and polluting and stealing from the temple and going back there with slaves).

Many people have just modified the bible, and they miss that important fact. (people that swear by this "NO MAN KNOWS the day of the lord's return, not god or the angels" are point out the seven trumpets and the faithful, how they are isolated from satan and this earth, there's no conflict no "1260 day, no half hour, no 3 and 1/2 days of darkness).

(in reality "satan" has, just modified the bible so it appears this is the case, that satan has a war and armies or a "sign and a vision" when its only filth, suicide pleasure or etc.............so humanity has nothing no noah's rainbow no sign no vision, and this all adds to the fall of jerusalem and the ousting of the jewish people as a marker for satan's armies or war, and none of this has happened yet) (this is based on suicide pleasure, the way jewish people troll jerusalem, and play genocide there with palenstine, iraq and iran, and the nations support this for pleasure but that eventually dries out then we'll have to see soon)

(it takes a long time, sometimes never, but, when the bible is heavily modified like with these new age bibles, and for pleasure, and to kill for pleasure, it does speed up things when the filthy are cast out of jerusalem, when it starts it happens quickly, right now we are just beginning to see the reality of this, but its not happening at the moment, so soon)

 

[Keraz]

Many people have just modified the bible,

Some sects have, the JW's and the Mormons, etc.
But the Bible in a mainstream modern translation, can be trusted. If not, then where are we?

Your posts, nenagana, are full of speculation and opinions. They are not helpful here.

 

[Davy]

Can Jesus return if there is NO "Great Tribulation" (the 1260 days mentioned in Book of Revelation)?

God's Word has put the return of our Lord Jesus per a certain order of events. In Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27, Lord Jesus revealed the time of His return in relation to the "great tribulation" He foretold of. As He stated there, His return is AFTER... the tribulation, meaning it will be His coming that will end it (this per 2 Thessalonians 2 by His destroying that Wicked one by the brightness of His coming.)

 

[nenagana]

Some sects have, the JW's and the Mormons, etc.
But the Bible in a mainstream modern translation, can be trusted. If not, then where are we?

Your posts, nenagana, are full of speculation and opinions. They are not helpful here.

BibleGateway - Keyword Search: pillow

(the word "pillow" is removed from this translation, and more words then that also, but more importantly the names, jesus/lord/messiah, do not occur as frequently or at all) (words or phrases that undermine the jewish people are also removed from many new age bibles, its a subject that is just not worth the effort, we will have to wait for this one in the real world to remove the speculation)

"Jacob's Pillow Stone"....................(jacob saw a dream at his death, of angels going up and down from some kind of a stone) (if this is the ousting of the jewish people from jerusalem..............then when they said that jews are no longer allowed into the temple mound in jerusalem or to pray there, then all the new age bibles just appeared)

(george washington's UFO, that appears to describe Jacob's Pillow Stone, a wording and language that is removed from (ALL), new age bibles..............is typlically flagged as Jewish Racism and Removed from the Internet) (the ousting of the jews from isreal in the last days, according to jeremiah 4)

 

[Davy]

The United Nations said the "rapture" is the aliens coming to take people with them to the New Earth planet for colonization

!

 

[Truth7t7]

No; because that is also the time period when Satan has world control. Revelation 13:5-8, Daniel 7:23-25

When Jesus Returns, He destroys Satans armies at Armageddon and chains him up. Revelation 16:16-18

Are those chains purchased at Ace Hardware or Home Depot?

 

[Truth7t7]

Some sects have, the JW's and the Mormons, etc.
But the Bible in a mainstream modern translation, can be trusted. If not, then where are we?

Your posts, nenagana, are full of speculation and opinions. They are not helpful here.

All modern versions NIV, NASB, ESV, etc follow the corrupt Greek Text (Novum Testamentum Graece) created by Adulterers Kurt Aland, and Barbara Nee Ehlers, and dont forget homosexual union supporter and Roman Catholic Jesuit Cardinal (Carlo Maria Martini)

1611 KJV, created by 60 christian scholarly men, Gods voice to the english speaking world

King James Bible Translators

• PATRON
  • King James I
• TRANSLATION OVERSEER
  • Richard Bancroft
• COMMITTEE OF TWO
• COMMITTEE OF REVISERS
• FIRST WESTMINSTER COMPANY
• FIRST CAMBRIDGE COMPANY
• FIRST OXFORD COMPANY
• SECOND CAMBRIDGE COMPANY
• SECOND OXFORD COMPANY
• SECOND WESTMINSTER COMPANY
• TRANSLATOR
  • Thomas Sparke
• PRINTER
  • Robert Barker
• CONTRIBUTORS
  • (Illustrators, Geneologies, Maps, Etc.)
  • John Speed (Genealogies, Map)
  • Cornelis Boel (Artist/Engraver)
  • John More (Map)
  • Renold Elstrack (Engraver)
  • Hugh Broughton (Genealogies)

INTRODUCTION
At least sixty men were directly involved in the translation of the King James Bible (hereinafter KJB). Most were Translators, while a few were project overseers, revisers and editors. Some served in several roles. Who were these men? What were their backgrounds? What did they share? In what ways were they different? They were a diverse group. While some were born in large cities and towns, most were from small villages scattered throughout England. Several were the children of university graduates, most were not. They were sons of mariners, farmers, school teachers, cordwainers (leather merchants), fletchers (makers of bows and arrows), ministers, brewers, tailors, and aristocrats. All were members of the Church of England, but their religious views ran the gamut. Some were ardent Puritans, others staunch defenders of the religious establishment. Some believed in pre-destination and limited salvation as taught by John Calvin, while others believed in self-determination and universal access to heaven as taught by Jacobus Arminius.

All of the Translators were university graduates. Oxford and Cambridge claimed nearly equal numbers of Translators as alumni. All of the Translators except one were ordained Church of England priests. While several of the Translators had traveled to the Continent, only one had ventured to the New World. Most of the Translators were married men (38 of 60) with families. Most of the Translators spent a significant portion of their career associated with their colleges and universities as fellows, involved in teaching and administration. As fellows, they were not allowed to marry. As a result many delayed marriage until they had established themselves in church office away from the university. When the translation commenced in 1604-1605, the majority of the Translators, 22, were in their forties, 16 men were in their thirties, 15 in their fifties, 3 in their sixties and 3 in their twenties.

One Translator died in his thirties, six in their forties, nineteen in their fifties, sixteen in their sixties, four in their seventies, three in their eighties and one, over one hundred. Nine of the Translators died before the KJB was published in the 1611.

Most of the Translators were in comfortable economic circumstances during and after their time involved in the translation. The association and friendships they developed during the translation project generally advanced their careers. Some of the Translators went on to high church and academic office. Five went on to serve as bishops and two as archbishops.

They all had a familiarity with the ancient languages of Latin, Greek, Hebrew, and often many more. They came on the historical scene at a time when the knowledge of early biblical texts and language was exploding. Such a flowering of interest and expertise was unique. Bible historian, Gordon Campbell, has observed:

The population from which scholars can now be drawn is much larger than in the seventeenth century, but it would be difficult now to bring together a group of more than fifty scholars with the range of languages and knowledge of other disciplines that characterized the KJB Translators. (Bible – The Story of the King James Version 1611-2011 Oxford, Gordon Campbell, Oxford University Press 2010.)

For such a diverse group, they worked together in harmony during a generally contentious time. They had disagreements, to be sure, but they labored on, year after year. There were no "tell all books" published after the fact. Miles Smith remarked in his preface to the KJB, the Translators "were greater in other men's eyes than in their own, and sought truth rather than their own praise". They approached the task of translation with humility, understanding they were standing on the shoulders of giants like William Tyndale. Believers all, the Translators, according to Smith "craved the assistance of God's Spirit by prayer" as they proceeded in their work.

Though almost all were well known within the religious and academic community of the time, their involvement in the translation went largely unnoticed by the public. Their individual and group effort was not the subject of historical inquiry until many years after the fact. As a result, little information about the process of translation survived. The lives of the Translators and sometimes their very identity became obscured with time. In certain instances, the place of their birth and burial is unknown, and their family circumstance in doubt. Until this anniversary year, few could name even one Translator, let alone sixty. The following brief biographies are written in the hope to shed further light on these men who contributed so much.

 

[Keraz]

Are those chains purchased at Ace Hardware or Home Depot?

Do you get your beliefs about the Prophetic Word from mail order catalogues?

1611 KJV, created by 60 christian scholarly men, Gods voice to the english speaking world

The book dedicated to 'The High and Mighty King James', was good for its time, but now we have hundreds of manuscripts, incl the Dead Sea Scrolls, to translate from.
My Revised English Bible is a complete re-translation, done by a large group of Christian scholars. It carefully gives the true modern meaning of what God is saying to us.

Satan just loves KJV only people. They are confused and often have wrong ideas about what God has planned for our future.

 

[Truth7t7]

My Revised English Bible is a complete re-translation, done by a large group of Christian scholars. It carefully gives the true modern meaning of what God is saying to us.

Satan just loves KJV only people. They are confused and often have wrong ideas about what God has planned for our future.

Your (Revised English Translation) follows the text made by the Adulterers and Jesuit Cardinal and Homosexual Union supporter in the (Novum Testamentum Graece)

All modern versions NIV, NASB, ESV, REB, etc follow the corrupt Greek Text (Novum Testamentum Graece) created by Adulterers Kurt Aland, and Barbara Nee Ehlers, and dont forget homosexual union supporter and Roman Catholic Jesuit Cardinal (Carlo Maria Martini)

Wikipedia: Revised English Bible

Full name Revised English Bible
Abbreviation REB
Complete Bible
published 1989
Derived from New English Bible
Textual basis NT: Medium correspondence to Nestle-Aland Novum Testamentum Graece 27th edition, with occasional parallels to Codex Bezae.
OT: Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia (1967/77) with Dead Sea Scrolls and Septuagint influence.
Apocrypha: Septuagint with Vulgate influence.
Translation type Dynamic equivalence
Reading level High school
Copyright Oxford University Press and Cambridge University Press 1989
Religious affiliation Ecumenical

 

[nenagana]

1260 Day Tribulation (New Reply)

(New Reply)

"Faith without Work is Dead = 1260"
(literal and parabolic statement of god's discernment dealing with the last generation, and a sign or a vision, versus a blind and dumb death for the unfaithful, and spiritual rewarding of the faithful)

MATTHEW 26:10 1260 When Jesus understood [it], he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me.
...............
Is this a Good Work? (see below)

Revelation 11:2 = NO, the Gentiles are being filthy in their pleasure.
Revelation 13:5 = NO, whatever the excuse is, a New Age Bible, a Special Creed like the Catholic or Jewish Church, or a believe that the old testament is invalid, and the accumulation of wealth and resources in an unjust way is not a sin or etc.
Revelation 12:5-7 = NO, this is also not a good work, giving money and resources to the poor and needy in countries that only use it to kill themselves is not righteous or faithful, or whatever else.

(The Book of Revelation is Written in a Controversy about a Sign or a Vision for the last generation facing the death of humanity...................God does not do controversies, this is a rebuke.................otherwise, you are viewing an argument of, humanity versus the faithful, and god gives humanity in its suicide pleasure no value, by the measurement of the "gospel's tables", in all that god judges..................)

(Halley's Comet 2061, then Humanity is deceased.............anything else God does or has done, will never measure up to humanity in its suicide pleasure, no pandemic no plague..................coronavirus may not even develop into RABIES, it could but it also may not................this is how humanity dies, blind and dumb, back bitting god, and discrediting all signs and etc.)

(solstice precessional alignment ending 2016 + 1260 and 1260 + 42 Years = 2061 Halley's Comet ========= The bible spams this figure its valid, and God is not going to accomodate satan's need to have elaborate displays, humanity has only a few years left.................only an idiot that is suicidal with god and man, will pretend, nothing associated to the gospel has even took place)

(The Question in this Discussion was, that, unless and until the "1260 Day Measurement is Completed", there would not be a "Great Tribulation"..............but you need to understand a filthy and unclean person will never understand or accept a 1260 days has taken place, probably more then once................if the flesh and blood argument is not killed away, that is this accusation of dead flesh controversy is not flushed out, and humanity will not get that? most likely..................we must keep watch, because God is NOT GOING TO DO A FINISHED WORK, MANKIND IS ACCOUNTABLE IN ITS ACCUSATION)

(if we obtain RABIES, and also Jerusalem Falls or etc, and there is some measureable Field Effect (unified field)............satan will claim this is not related to the gospel, the measurement is not completed, and satan claims this already.............but in reality time is counting down and humanity will die..................this is an appropriately way to answer god)

(it doesn't mean we are guilty of a controversy or sin, in referring to the book of revelations, because that is the way god writes the book................that is god's answer)

(you are asking if God or an Angel or the Son of Man views performing a work beyond a reasonable doubt in silencing satan, and removing the divide between the faithful and unfaithful in this earth as representation spiritually..............THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO)

(worry only about the development of COVID19 into RABIES, and the fall of jerusalem, the ousting of the jewish people in isreal) (humanity has a game it wants to play with god about, "not having a will to live", and about, "its accountability of dead flesh in the gospel's tables".............then we can say only, there is more suffering and pain in playing suicide with god at the end of time)

 

[nenagana]

1260 Day Tribulation

"Faith without Work is Dead = 1260"
..............
MATTHEW 26:10 1260 When Jesus understood [it], he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me.
...............
Is this a Good Work? (see below)

(Reply) (Subject Moses and 1260 Days)

EXODUS 7:7 And Moses [was] fourscore years old, and Aaron fourscore and three years old, when they spake unto Pharaoh.
REVELATION 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous [are] thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true [are] thy ways, thou King of saints.

If Moses was an Angel, and God allowed him to die, then God would probably also kill humanity.............that statement that Jesus was made lower then the Angels is valid, because God himself does not do an imperfect work, and Jesus will wrestle with satan, the saved, the unsaved, and also angels............that is a lesser position with God...............because Moses is not an angel and identifies with the figure of "1260", and because he identifies with God's discernment..............when Moses is allowed to die, God seems to abandon the figure of 1260 or the possibility of a sign or a vision with humanity. Its not important with God.

It may not matter how much suffering there is or how many people die for pleasure, for war or etc...........mankind does not dictate god's will on the subject, of a sign or a vision. (right now you don't have my dead body in your suicide pleasure, what humanity does or says is not important, only if it has a dead body or not of moses, and then humanity itself has no value with god for a sign or a vision...............humanity cannot dicatate god's will, anything else humanity or the unfaithful has to say or do is not important...............

We'll have to see what God does with Moses.............if he is allowed to die for satan's suicide pleasure, or if God gives Moses strength as the marker (ensign of nations), this is not a work for humanity to perform or a controversy for humanity to answer (the son of man is the marker for god's action or inaction, this is always the law.............)

Moses will be 40 years of age next year 2022 A.D. (to 2023 A.D. he will still be 40 years of age) (we cannot dictate god's will or timetable of reaction, god decides, and either acts or does not act) (god does not come first to humanity for an action or inaction)

 

[Davy]

Do you get your beliefs about the Prophetic Word from mail order catalogues?

The book dedicated to 'The High and Mighty King James', was good for its time, but now we have hundreds of manuscripts, incl the Dead Sea Scrolls, to translate from.
My Revised English Bible is a complete re-translation, done by a large group of Christian scholars. It carefully gives the true modern meaning of what God is saying to us.

Satan just loves KJV only people. They are confused and often have wrong ideas about what God has planned for our future.

You shouldn't mock the good ole' 1611 KJV Bible since the revised 1970 NEB you're using most likely uses Westcott & Hort's corrupt Greek New Testament they themselves translated in the 1880s. Even a later panel of scholars making a new translation from them in 1970, or 1989, is going to be from a corrupt NT manuscripts that Westcott & Hort used.

The real matter thus is, Satan loves... the Westcott & Hort followers who are deceived with modern Bible translations.

 

[Keraz]

You shouldn't mock the good ole' 1611 KJV Bible since the revised 1970 NEB you're using most likely uses Westcott & Hort's corrupt Greek New Testament they themselves translated in the 1880s. Even a later panel of scholars making a new translation from them in 1970, or 1989, is going to be from a corrupt NT manuscripts that Westcott & Hort used.

The real matter thus is, Satan loves... the Westcott & Hort followers who are deceived with modern Bible translations.

The KJV has caused many to fail, because of its archaic English and many errors. It is now redundant and should not be used.
I use and recommend the Revised English Bible, Oxford Press 1989. It is a total re-translation, using hundreds of ancient manuscripts.

I generally trust any Bible and do not think God has allowed people to lose any faith because of any mistakes in it.

 

[nenagana]

Doomsday Clock - Wikipedia

1968 - Nguyen Van Lem
1972 - Munich Massacre
1991 - Rodney King

Each time they modify the doomsday clock, they RESET, because they view a sacrifice was taken illegally for satan's pleasure, god refreshes the blindness of humanity. (there lots of acts of major martyrdom for pleasure, surrounding the doomsday clock dates, so they at least view the figure of 1260, as RESETABLE, meaning mankind continually looses its ability to discern the fact that this is the end of days).

(nothing really tops Halley's Comet, but there is a lot of other evidence, that seems important but nothing happens, things are RESET, and the doomsday clock keeps ticking, until the very end)

 

[Truman]

There sure is a lot of jibberish around now-a-days!

 

[GaryAnderson]

I think the folks involved with the doomsday clock, have too much time on their hands.