Let me guess, Kingdom Hall told you it's a parable and you swallowed their poison? You have ZERO proof that it's a parable! Hell will be filled with people who don't believe in Hell and you will be held accountable for everyone that burns in Hell that you deceived!
The 2nd Death
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QuantumBit
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Hi OP.
Personally, I believe that that the phrase 'Last Adam' is not synonymous with 'Second Adam'.
Jesus is the last in a long series of Adams. In other words, 'Adam' would be Mankind itself.
Eve would theoretically be the Second Adam.
Jesus is the First and the Last...
Revelation 22:13
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."
Robert Gwin
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Every individual in heaven and all those going in the future worship and serve Jehovah sir, no other god can get you there if you reject Him.
Robert Gwin
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Really? Why was Abraham and Lazarus alive? Jesus is the one who gave the parable and wasn't even dead yet, so kind of nullifies the need for him to die for our salvation correct? If this makes any sense to you Jack, would you like to know why Jesus gave that parable?
Adam is a man.... and the 2nd Adam, who is Christ is a man.
Eve was made from Adam's rib...she's not a male
1 Corinthians 15 says....... ‘The first man Adam became a living being;’ the last Adam, a life-giving spirit."
Notice "the first man"
and the Last Adam.... or 2nd. is Jesus.
And..
"By one mans's sin, death came upon all..."" and by one Man, many shall be made righteous"..
That one man is not mankind, ...its the one man who is the one through which the fall of us all came.
2nd Adam, solved that for all who will BELIEVE in Jesus.
Adam, lost spiritual union with God, that is our spiritual condition.
2nd Adam, Christ, came to restore unto ALL, what 1st Adam lost.
When we are born again, we are restored into Spiritual Union with GOD, through 2nd Adam who is Jesus The Christ.
Jesus is God, and He said that He is the Way to the Father., and there is no other.
John 14:6
Patrick1966
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Which Bible says "many"? The YLT & ESV say ALL!
1 Corinthians 15:22 esv
For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
Notice the verse says...... "IN Christ"...... so there is the context of the "all", as many.
How does that work?
A.) If you are BORN AGAIN, then you are 'IN CHRIST", and so, you are made alive.
If you are not born again, you are here.
John 3:36
You are not "in Christ" you are still separated from God, and are no yet "made alive" = Born again.
Jesus said...."you must be born again" or you never become "in Christ".
Patrick1966
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You changed the scripture from "all" to "many". Are you in the habit of changing scripture?
Patrick1966
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That's not at all the context. Paul was obviously referring to ALL PEOPLE.
You cannot accept the scripture because you have GLUED yourself to a false doctrine and now you're even changing God's words to what you think they should say. Wow!
Romans 5:19
For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the MANY will be made righteous."""""
"" in Christ"". are these = "Made Righteous".... which is Romans 5:19
This is only the the Born again.
See, Jesus would not tell you that you "Must be born again" if your cult was correct as they taught you that this is automatic.
But its not automatic, which is why Christ told you that you "MUST" be born again.
Your cult teaches this as "all" who are breathing are going to heaven, which a satanic lie.
Romans 5:19
Do you understand the word '" MADE"?
This means it has to be done for you.....and your cult teaches that if you are breathing, its done.
But its not.
So, who isnt?
Everyone who went to Hell today. ? Everyone who isn't 'Made righteous", and that is found here.
John 3:36 — The New International Version (NIV)
36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.John 3:36 — King James Version (KJV 1900)
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.John 3:36 — New Living Translation (NLT)
36 And anyone who believes in God’s Son has eternal life. Anyone who doesn’t obey the Son will never experience eternal life but remains under God’s angry judgment.”John 3:36 — The New King James Version (NKJV)
36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”John 3:36 — New Century Version (NCV)
36 Those who believe in the Son have eternal life, but those who do not obey the Son will never have life. God’s anger stays on them.”
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Patrick1966
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Now you're angry at me for calling you out for changing scripture, you ignore its very simple meaning, and then call me a cultist.
Priceless.
It is a cult that teaches that Hell is temporary and that all are saved, or will be.
That's satanic.
also You quoted me and it was Romans 5.
Behold said:
"By one mans's sin, death came upon all..."" and by one Man, many shall be made righteous"..
You then posted 1 Corinthians 15, and said i changed the verse.
Here is what i posted., that you quoted.
Behold said:
"By one mans's sin, death came upon all..."" and by one Man, many shall be made righteous"..
See the "Many"?
"""""For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the MANY will be made righteous.""""
New International Version
For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
New Living Translation
Because one person disobeyed God, many became sinners. But because one other person obeyed God, many will be made righteous.
English Standard Version
For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous.
Berean Standard Bible
For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
Berean Literal Bible
For as indeed through the disobedience of the one man, the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the One, the many will be made righteous.
King James Bible
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
New King James Version
For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
New American Standard Bible
For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.
all people are not "in Christ"
All people are not "made righteous"
All People are not going to Heaven.
"In Christ" is very specific.
You have to be born again to be "in Christ".
A Son/Daughter of God, is "born again".
This is to become "in Christ". "made righteous"
God has to provide this to you as "Salvation". or as Jesus said....."you must be Born again", as that is to have received Salvation., which is to become "in Christ".
To receive it, you have to do this....."Faith comes by hearing" The Gospel.
And this Faith, .... God accepts as "Faith is counted as Righteousness"..... = "Justified by Faith"
THAT is how you become born again, "In Christ", one of the "many" .. = Romans 5:19
That is the context of "All who are IN Christ"....
You have to become one of the "many" who are born again, to become the "All who are IN Christ".
One more time.
"All Christians are humans"
"Many Humans are Christians, but not all".
"All Humans who are Christians are "in Christ".
QuantumBit
Active Member
God called *their* name Adam...
Genesis 5:2
"Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created."
'Their' is plural. Jesus is the Last Adam, not the second.
Ronald Nolette
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This is the effect of what happens to one who dis apart from Christ, but this is not the second death!
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Biblically, teh 2nd death is that death and teh grave are destroyed! Even the lost are esurrecterd to immortal bodies and then are cast into teh lake of fire after death and the grave are destroyed.
If one simply reads the Scriptures as they are written, they would not get so confused and need to come up with all these theories.
The spirit never dies.
It just ends up...
If it ends up with God, then that is ETERNAL LIFE.
If it ends up in Hell, which is to remain a spiritual child of the Devil.... then the Lake of Fire, that is "2nd Death"...."outer Darkness", and Damnation, is the eternal life of the Damned.
John 3:36
To die the first time is "in Adam, we all die"
To die the 2nd Death, is to remain in Adam's spiritual separation from God's Spirit.... after your body dies = because you were never born again.
Ronald Nolette
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Yes in Adam we all die! Yes in Jesus the all will be alive!
But unsaved man is already spiritually dead. He is a bi-chotomous creature (body and soul) The saved man is a tri-chomotous creature (body, soul and spirit) for he Spirit has regenerated the human spirit in the believer.
The second death is exactly what Scripture says without any need for a person to add to it!
Revelation 20:14
King James Version
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.If you need a lesson in grammar to learn that this and this alone is the second death, there are plenty of excellent grammar tutors out there!
