Watchman-2 says:
the gifts listed in 1 Cor. 12:8-10 are merely the skills each of us possess and they are given by God at birth
there is no such thing as tongues being the evidence upon becoming a true believer
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1 Corinthians 12
Spiritual Gifts: Unity in Diversity
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[sup][/sup]1[/sup] Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be ignorant: [sup]
[sup][/sup]2[/sup] You know that you were Gentiles, carried away to these dumb idols, however you were led. [sup]
[sup][/sup]3[/sup] Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed,
and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.
The word 'gifts' is italicized, which means it does not exist in the Bible manuscripts. It is very easy to verify if you check out the scripture with Strong's Concordance numbering -
1Co 12:1
Now[sup]G1161 concerningG4012 spiritualG4152 gifts, brethren,G80 I wouldG2309 notG3756 have youG5209 ignorant.G50
[/sup]There is no Strong's number associated therewith 'gifts', thereby confirming that it does not exist in the Bible manuscripts.
Whereas Apostle Paul did have the word rendered as 'gifts' in his lexicon/vocabulary as proven by this scripture -
Rom 11:29
For[sup]G1063 theG3588 giftsG5486 andG2532 callingG2821 of GodG2316 are without repentance.G278
[/sup]Certainly, if Paul intended 1 Cor. 12:1 to read 'spritual gifts', it was within his vernacular to do so. Conversely, since Paul did not say 'gifts' [G5486] in 1 Cor. 12:1 when the word was within his vocabulary, one can only conclude that it was an improper insertion by the translators.
[sup]4[/sup] There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
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[sup][/sup]5[/sup] There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord.
[sup]6[/sup] And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. [sup]
[sup][/sup]7[/sup] But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:
[sup]8[/sup] for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit,
[sup]9[/sup] to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same[sup][/sup] Spirit, [sup]
[sup][/sup]10[/sup] to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits,
to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.
Just like I have been telling you dunderheads, these diversities of gifts are the ordinary skills that we are given at birth by God -- irrespective of whether one is a Christian or not. See Rom. 11:29 above.
In 12:7, the Spirt is the manifestation. The word 'of' does not exist in the Bible manuscripts. Check it out in Strong's -
[sup]1Co 12:7 But[sup]G1161 theG3588 manifestationG5321 of theG3588 SpiritG4151 is givenG1325 to every manG1538 toG4314 profitG4851 withal.
[/sup]<P style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr>There is no Strong's number associated therewith. Once again, the word 'of', which also means 'from', was within Pauls vocabulary as shown in this scripture.
Rom 1:3
Concerning[sup]G4012 hisG848 SonG5207 JesusG2424 ChristG5547 ourG2257 Lord,G2962 whichG3588 was madeG1096 ofG1537 the seedG4690 of DavidG1138 accordingG2596 to the flesh;G4561
[/sup]If Paul intended to mean that the manifestation was given by the Holy Spirit in 12:7, he would have actually used the word 'of' [G1537]. Since Paul did not, one correctly concludes that the 'manifestation' spoken of in 12:7 IS the Spirit.
11 [/sup]But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.
Just what I have been telling you dunderheads, it is the Spirit working with the skills given by God ['all these things'-- listed above in 12:8-10].
The deity "He" does not exist in the manuscripts in this scripture -
1Co 12:11
But[sup]G1161 allG3956 theseG5023 workethG1754 that oneG1520 andG2532 theG3588 selfsameG846 Spirit,G4151 dividingG1244 to every manG1538 severallyG2398 asG2531 he will.G1014
[/sup]The word 'will' means -
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G1014
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βούλομαι
boulomai
boo'-lom-ahee
Middle voice of a primary verb; to "will", that is, (reflexively) be willing: - be disposed, minded, intend, list (be, of own) will (-ing). Compare
G2309.
The scripture is not speaking of the Holy Spirit's 'will', but is referring to those of mankind that 'are willing'. The Holy Spirit works with those gifts given by God within those that are willing.
Referring to 12:1,
"Spiritual gifts here may refer to spiritual things or spiritual persons." (Nelson's NKJV Study Bible)
In 1 Cor. chapters 12, 13, 14 ... "gifts" is usually in italics, meaning the word was added.
So, the 9 "gifts" in purple are NOT really gifts, but manifestations of the Spirit.
Your first quote in red ... complete and total rubbish.
Your second quote in red ... true statement.
Tongues are the confirmation of receiving the H.S. baptism (not salvation).
Nonsense -- already addressed above!
"Well, I met the burden of proof -- there is no such thing as 'spiritual gifts' in the Bible manuscripts." - Watchman
-- Watchman, read the post just before this one. Then open your eyes.
I did open my eyes -- it is the same drivel all tongue-twisters and charismatics throw at Christians.
It is time for you to open your eyes -- your religion is not Bible based.