The Church Is The Israel Of God, Children Of The Promised Seed

[covenantee]

Brick and mortar is not the only building materials. *rolls eyes*

Paul's temples:

"naos" spiritual:

1 Corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
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1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
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1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
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2 Corinthians 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
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Ephesians 2:21-22
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
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22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
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"eidóleion" physical:

1 Corinthians 8:10
For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
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"hieros/hieron" physical:

1 Corinthians 9:13
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
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[Keraz]

Paul's temples:

"naos" spiritual:

1 Corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

2 Corinthians 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Ephesians 2:21-22
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
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22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

"eidóleion" physical:

1 Corinthians 8:10
For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

"hieros/hieron" physical:

1 Corinthians 9:13
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Using translation nuances and words with flexible meanings to prove your beliefs, is very slender and flimsy proof.
Against your belief of no future Temple in Jerusalem, there are many Bible prophesies saying there will be one.

Your belief of what will happen in the soon to happen end times, is colored by teachings that are not supported by the Bible. This is unfortunate as when the Lord does take action, what you wanted Him to do for you will not happen and you won't know what to do.
Here is what every Christian must do: Call upon the Name of the Lord and you will be saved. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21

 

[covenantee]

Using translation nuances and words with flexible meanings to prove your beliefs, is very slender and flimsy proof.
Against your belief of no future Temple in Jerusalem, there are many Bible prophesies saying there will be one.

Your belief of what will happen in the soon to happen end times, is colored by teachings that are not supported by the Bible. This is unfortunate as when the Lord does take action, what you wanted Him to do for you will not happen and you won't know what to do.
Here is what every Christian must do: Call upon the Name of the Lord and you will be saved. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21

Awaiting your Holy-Spirit-inspired disproof of Paul's Holy-Spirit-inspired Scripture.

 

[Keraz]

Awaiting your Holy-Spirit-inspired disproof of Paul's Holy-Spirit-inspired Scripture.

I don't disprove your beliefs, the Prophetic Word does that.
What Paul said was true; it is every faithful person, incl Noah, Abraham, the Prophets, Paul himself, up to the faithful Christians of today, who are the Spiritual Temple of God in the world.
But God wanted a Temple in Jerusalem; Solomon built it, the Babylonians destroyed that one. Then Nehemiah built the second Temple, Herod rebuilt it and the Romans destroyed that one.
Soon to happen will be the terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath, which will clear and cleanse all of the holy Land. Deuteronomy 32:43
The pollutions currently on the Temple mount will be gone and the Christian peoples will come there, Zechariah 6:15, and will build a Temple of greater splendor that any of the previous ones. Haggai 2:9

Zechariah 8:9 The Lord says: Take heart all you who hear the Promise that the Temple will be rebuilt......

 

[covenantee]

I don't disprove your beliefs, the Prophetic Word does that.

Quote a Prophetic Word that disproves Paul's Prophetic Word.

What Paul said was true

Glad you agree. I quoted him verbatim.

But God wanted a Temple in Jerusalem

The word "but" does not appear in Paul's Holy-Spirit-inspired Prophetic Word regarding temples.

 

[Moriah's Song]

Brick and mortar is not the only building materials.

All this supports the truth that "naos" and "temple" have two distinct meanings that clearly disputes false theologies. If people don't care if God's word is used to fit preconceived ideas then they will fall apart and be burned with all other distortions of God's Word anyways.

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Temple - Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words
Temple

[ 1,,G2411, hieron ]
the neuter of the adjective hieros, sacred," is used as a noun denoting "a sacred place, a temple," that of Artemis (Diana), Acts 19:27; that in Jerusalem, Mark 11:11, signifying the entire building with its precincts, or some part thereof, as distinct from the naos, "the inner sanctuary" (See No. 2); apart from the Gospels and Acts, it is mentioned only in 1 Corinthians 9:13. Christ taught in one of the courts, to which all the people had access. Hieron is never used figuratively. The Temple mentioned in the Gospels and Acts was begun by Herod in 20 B.C., and destroyed by the Romans in A.D. 70.

[ 2,,G3485, naos ]
"a shrine or sanctuary," was used
(a) among the heathen, to denote the shrine containing the idol, Acts 17:24; Acts 19:24 (in the latter, miniatures);
(b) among the Jews, the sanctuary in the "Temple," into which only the priests could lawfully enter, e.g., Luke 1:9, Luke 1:21-Luke 1:22; Christ, as being of the tribe of Judah, and thus not being a priest while upon the earth (Hebrews 7:13-Hebrews 7:14; Hebrews 8:4), did not enter the naos; for 2 Thessalonians 2:4 See Note (below);
(c) by Christ metaphorically, of His own physical body, John 2:19, John 2:21;
(d) in apostolic teaching, metaphorically,

(1) of the Church, the mystical Body of Christ, Ephesians 2:21;

(2) of a local church, 1 Corinthians 3:16-17; 2 Corinthians 6:16;

(3) of the present body of the individual believer, 1 Corinthians 6:19;

(4) of the "Temple" seen in visions in the Apocalypse, Revelation 3:12; Revelation 7:15; Revelation 11:19; Revelation 14:15, Revelation 14:17; Revelation 15:5-Revelation 15:6, Revelation 15:8; Revelation 16:1, Revelation 16:17;

(5) of the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb, as the "Temple" of the new and heavenly Jerusalem, Revelation 21:22. See SANCTUARY and HOLY, B
(b), par. 4.

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Rev 21:22...And I saw no temple (naos) in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb.
Here is the remaining match.

Rev 15:8...and the temple (naos) was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from his power, and no one could enter the temple until the seven plagues of the seven angels were ended.
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[Davy]

Plays on Greek words like 'naos' are useless, since Greek naos is used for both a literal physical temple building, or metaphorically like the body of Christ as the spiritual temple. (see Strong's no. NT:3485 in The Englishman's Concordance)

2 Thessalonians 2:4, though often miss-taught by some, reveals a rebuilt Jewish temple in Jerusalem for the very end of this world when the coming false-Messiah comes to sit in it, and proclaim himself as God.

The phrase by Apostle Paul there of "the temple of God" in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 is NOT about the spiritual temple idea of Ephesians 2.

Paul shows in Ephesians 2:19-22 that the spiritual temple the body of Christ is part of, is made up of the foundation of the Apostles and prophets, with Jesus as The Chief Cornerstone. THAT spiritual temple CANNOT BE CORRUPTED, EVER. (I mean really, as if our Lord Jesus Christ could ever be corrupted!)

So any man at a pulpit saying that "temple of God" in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 is about Christ's spiritual temple, they need their head examined, because that is to falsely infer that Jesus Christ Himself could be corrupted if that "man of sin" could sit over the spiritual temple!

What happens then, IF a believer on Christ ALLOWS theirself to be deceived by that coming "man of sin" per 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4? Those deceived who allow that are simply CUT OFF from Christ's spiritual temple, simple as that.

 

[Moriah's Song]

since Greek naos is used for both a literal physical temple building,

Only by those who have to twist scripture in order to make "naos" fit their pre-conceived ideas they have gotten from John Nelson Darby in the 1800's.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon [?] (Jump to Scripture Index)

STRONGS G3485:
ναός, ναοῦ, ὁ (ναίω to dwell), the Sept. for הֵיכָל, used of the temple at Jerusalem, but only of the sacred edifice (or sanctuary) itself, consisting of the Holy place and the Holy of holies (in classical Greek used of the sanctuary or cell of a temple, where the image of the god was placed, called also δόμος, σηκός, which is to be distinguished from τό ἱερόν, the whole temple, the entire consecrated enclosure; this distinction is observed also in the Bible; see ἱερόν, p. 299{a}): Matthew 23:16f, 35 27:40; Mark 14:58; Mark 15:29; John 2:19; Revelation 11:2; nor need Matthew 27:5 be regarded as an exception, provided we suppose that Judas in his desperation entered the Holy place, which no one but the priests was allowed to enter ((note the εἰς (others, ἐν) of T Tr WH)). with Θεοῦ, τοῦ Θεοῦ, added: Matthew 26:61; 1 Corinthians 3:17; 2 Corinthians 6:16; 2 Thessalonians 2:4; Revelation 11:1; used specifically of the Holy place, where the priests officiated: Luke 1:9, 21f; of the Holy of holies (see καταπέτασμα), Matthew 27:51; Mark 15:38; Luke 23:45. in the visions of the Revelation used of the temple of the 'New Jerusalem': Revelation 3:12; Revelation 7:15; Revelation 11:19; Revelation 14:15, 17; Revelation 15:5f, 8; Revelation 16:1, 17; of any temple whatever prepared for the true God, Acts 7:48 Rec.; Acts 17:24. of miniature silver temples modeled after the temple of Diana (i. e. Artemis (which see)) of Ephesus, Acts 19:24. ὁ Θεός ναός αὐτῆς ἐστιν, takes the place of a temple in it, Revelation 21:22. metaphorically, of a company of Christians, a Christian church, as dwelt in by the Spirit of God: 1 Corinthians 3:16; 2 Corinthians 6:16; Ephesians 2:21; for the same reason, of the bodies of Christians, 1 Corinthians 6:19. of the body of Christ, ὁ ναός τοῦ σώματος αὐτοῦ (epexegetical genitive (Winer's Grammar, 531 (494))), John 2:21, and according to the Evangelist's interpretation in 19 also. ((From Homer on.))

 

[Davy]

Only by those who have to twist scripture in order to make "naos" fit their pre-conceived ideas they have gotten from John Nelson Darby in the 1800's.

The Greek for "temple" below is the Greek word naos (NT:3485).

Rev 11:19
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in His temple the ark of His testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
KJV

The Greek word for "temple" below is ALSO... Greek naos.

Matt 23:16
16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
KJV

Same word 'naos' used for both a spiritual temple in Heaven with God, and also by Jesus about the literal standing temple in Jerusalem at His 1st coming, a physical material world temple.

So what's your beef? Greek naos cannot be used to prove a doctrine one way or the other.

 

[ewq1938]

You are ignoring the parts of those definitions where NAOS can mean a literal temple. This is known as CHERRY PICKING from a definition. "Only by those who have to twist scripture in order to make "naos" fit their pre-conceived ideas" applies to YOU.

Only by those who have to twist scripture in order to make "naos" fit their pre-conceived ideas they have gotten from John Nelson Darby in the 1800's.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon [?] (Jump to Scripture Index)

STRONGS G3485:
ναός, ναοῦ, ὁ (ναίω to dwell), the Sept. for הֵיכָל, used of the temple at Jerusalem, but only of the sacred edifice (or sanctuary) itself, consisting of the Holy place and the Holy of holies (in classical Greek used of the sanctuary or cell of a temple, where the image of the god was placed, called also δόμος, σηκός, which is to be distinguished from τό ἱερόν, the whole temple, the entire consecrated enclosure; this distinction is observed also in the Bible; see ἱερόν, p. 299{a}): Matthew 23:16f, 35 27:40; Mark 14:58; Mark 15:29; John 2:19; Revelation 11:2; nor need Matthew 27:5 be regarded as an exception, provided we suppose that Judas in his desperation entered the Holy place, which no one but the priests was allowed to enter ((note the εἰς (others, ἐν) of T Tr WH)). with Θεοῦ, τοῦ Θεοῦ, added: Matthew 26:61; 1 Corinthians 3:17; 2 Corinthians 6:16; 2 Thessalonians 2:4; Revelation 11:1; used specifically of the Holy place, where the priests officiated: Luke 1:9, 21f; of the Holy of holies (see καταπέτασμα), Matthew 27:51; Mark 15:38; Luke 23:45. in the visions of the Revelation used of the temple of the 'New Jerusalem': Revelation 3:12; Revelation 7:15; Revelation 11:19; Revelation 14:15, 17; Revelation 15:5f, 8; Revelation 16:1, 17; of any temple whatever prepared for the true God, Acts 7:48 Rec.; Acts 17:24. of miniature silver temples modeled after the temple of Diana (i. e. Artemis (which see)) of Ephesus, Acts 19:24. ὁ Θεός ναός αὐτῆς ἐστιν, takes the place of a temple in it, Revelation 21:22. metaphorically, of a company of Christians, a Christian church, as dwelt in by the Spirit of God: 1 Corinthians 3:16; 2 Corinthians 6:16; Ephesians 2:21; for the same reason, of the bodies of Christians, 1 Corinthians 6:19. of the body of Christ, ὁ ναός τοῦ σώματος αὐτοῦ (epexegetical genitive (Winer's Grammar, 531 (494))), John 2:21, and according to the Evangelist's interpretation in 19 also. ((From Homer on.))

 

[Moriah's Song]

Greek naos cannot be used to prove a doctrine one way or the other.

So says you. But the lexicons, the Vine's Dictionary, 2 Interlinear Bibles and multiple Bible commentators say otherwise. That is unless you have a Doctor of Divinity Degree to be shown then your interpretation is false and your manner in which you say

"Same word 'naos' used for both a spiritual temple in Heaven with God, and also by Jesus about the literal standing temple in Jerusalem at His 1st coming, a physical material world temple."

You err concerning your interpretation of the "standing temple" because many times in the Gospels, the term "temple" [naos] on earth is used 17 times "and the word for "standing building" [hieron] is used 45 times. But in Matthew 23:16 Jesus is referring to the temple area called the Holy of Holies" the sacred altar where the High Priest was only allowed to enter once a year upon pain of death otherwise. In the picture below, areas 1-4 are the NAOS of the temple which Jesus was referring to. The outside areas are the "temple" [hieron]. You have the two confused.

One theologian explains it quite well..."During the first century, as in our own day, oaths and vows were open to abuse by people who entered into commitments frivolously. The Pharisees and their successors, the Jewish rabbis of the first few centuries AD, addressed this problem by differentiating binding oaths from those that could be broken with impunity. This only made matters worse. If people had to make a promise that they did not want to keep, they could swear by the temple or the altar and not be held accountable if the oath was never fulfilled (Matt. 23:16–19).

Jesus condemned these Pharisees for explicitly sanctioning such practices. Their casuistry (the intent to get around the Law) could not work because vows made by the altar and temple are ultimately made by the one who sanctifies the altar and temple.

 

[Moriah's Song]

"Only by those who have to twist scripture in order to make "naos" fit their pre-conceived ideas" applies to YOU.

And your degree in theology is what?

All you really are saying is that the 70 Septuagint Greek writers of the NT deliberately changed the intent of the passages I listed DIRECTLY FROM STRONGS!

Isn't it strange that that the writers of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Paul all used the appropriate Greek work "naos" for spiritual temple" and when they were written as different times? You are fighting with scripture; not my interpretation....it is yours.

 

[Moriah's Song]

The Englishman's Concordance

No wonder you are confused!

 

[ewq1938]

You are fighting with scripture; not my interpretation....it is yours.

You are still misrepresenting the meaning and use of NAOS. It isn't only a spiritual temple. Literal temples are also called NAOS.

 

[Moriah's Song]

Literal temples are also called NAOS

Ho hum!

 

[Keraz]

Ho hum!

Your attitude toward scriptures that conflict with your fixed beliefs.

Rebuilding the Temple:
The prophetic Scriptures clearly predict that the Third Temple will be built and the sacrifices reinstated, in the final years leading up to the Return of the Messiah. It is clear, too, that there will be more than just the Jewish people living in the Land of Greater Israel. All the Israelites from all 12 tribes of Israel, plus those grafted in, will migrate to New Israel soon after the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, the terrible Day of fire and storms, that will clear and cleanse most of the Middle East.

The place of the new Temple, will be to the North of the existing Dome of the Rock, because this is in the direct line of the now sealed Eastern gate. The Bible, the Torah, and Josephus, all agree that the Temple was in that location.

The Jewish sage, Moses Maimonides, known as Rambam, declared that the Temple will be rebuilt and the exiles from around the world gathered back into the Promised Land.
The Messiah will appear and re-establish the glory of King David.

In the Talmud Yerushalmi, Rabbi Acha says; The Beit Hamikdash [Holy Temple] will be built first, before the advent of the Kingdom of David.

The Pnei Moshe states; The Land will be settled first, then the people will become prosperous, after that they will build the Temple and finally, the Messiah will come.

In the Mar’eh Punim the Gaon Moshe Margolis wrote that when Jacob predicted the future of Judah, he foretold that the Temple would be rebuilt first, then the Messiah would come. But the Jews are not prophesied to build the new Temple.


The whole scenario of the end times, has a logical sequence to it. Now in the latter days,, we can see how things are happening that will see a confederation of Islamic states and entities that will be motivated to get rid of the ‘ cancer ‘ in their midst, that is the State of Israel. The moment of their attack, is the moment that God will intervene. This great Day of the Lord, will take the form of a natural event: a Coronal Mass Ejection, a massive sunstrike of cosmic particles, causing intense heat and electrical storms. The attacking armies will be destroyed by their own weaponry, as they all explode before firing. This literally fulfils the prayer in Psalms 83:13-18

Many prophesies speak of the regeneration of the Land of Greater Israel, “in a very short while”, Isaiah 29:17, after this great clearance and cleansing of the entire area.

Christian Israelites- “His people, who love the Lord and follow in His ways” will then gather “on the mountains of Samaria”. This is described in Ezekiel 20:34-38, Psalms 107

Over 40 prophesies describe how God’s holy people, every faithful Christian, will live in peace and security in their own Land. At last, they will be as God originally intended, “a light to the nations”, they will “exemplify My Holiness for all to see”. Ezekiel 39:27-29 [The attack by Gog/ Magog will come during this period]

WE will build the Third Temple, Zechariah 6:15, and “the splendor of this latter House will surpass that of the former”. Haggai 2:9 Zechariah 8:9-13 has wonderful promises of restoration and redemption; Courage! Do not lose heart!

 

[Moriah's Song]

Rebuilding the Temple:

I do not respond to trolls with a false agenda any longer.

 

[Keraz]

I do not respond to trolls with a false agenda any longer.

I am sorry to see how you and many people are incapable of understanding what the Prophetic Word tells us.
Your objections to a new Temple are over ruled by God, as He wanted an earthly Temple in the past and He never changes.

 

[farouk]

Quote a Prophetic Word that disproves Paul's Prophetic Word.



Glad you agree. I quoted him verbatim.



The word "but" does not appear in Paul's Holy-Spirit-inspired Prophetic Word regarding temples.

Hi @covenantee It's interesting that in 1 Corinthians 10.32 the church is definitely seen as distinct from Israel.

 

[ewq1938]

Hi @covenantee It's interesting that in 1 Corinthians 10.32 the church is definitely seen as distinct from Israel.

No.

1Co 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:


This is talking about unbelieving Jews and unbelieving Gentiles VS. the Church which is made up of believing Jews and Gentiles.

The church was first populated by believing Jews/Israel the 12 disciples.