The Church Is The Israel Of God, Children Of The Promised Seed

[Truth7t7]

Jesus Christ fulfilled the promises and covenant made to Abraham, the Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed, it's that simple

The promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ, read it again and again

Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church

Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)

(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

(2) National Ethnic Israel (Flesh)

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed

They which are the children of the flesh (Ethnic Israel) these are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

[robert derrick]

Jesus Christ fulfilled the promises and covenant made to Abraham, the Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed, it's that simple

The promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ, read it again and again

Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church

Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)

(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

(2) National Ethnic Israel (Flesh)

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed

They which are the children of the flesh (Ethnic Israel) these are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

One strong objection to this is the prophecy of His rule over the moon and the stars:

Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. (Jerem 31)

And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

By the LORD all things consisted before the cross, and by Him they now consist again at the right hand of the father, but on the cross for the space of three hours, nothing consisted by Him but His own soul, from which God had departed while He bare our sins, because God was of purer eyes than to look upon sin, even not to look upon the soul of the Son that had not sinned.

And so, the prophecy was fulfilled on the cross, that the ordinances and rule of the LORD departed from Him, and the natural seed of Israel ceased from being a nation before Him on earth.

Now, the flesh and outward circumcision of the flesh profits absolutely nothing with the risen LORD and God of Israel, but only them born of His Spirit by the faith of Jesus are the children of Abraham in the flesh, and the brethren of the LORD are the Israel of God on earth.

Israel after the flesh ceased to be any circumcised nation before God on earth at the beginning of those three hours of the Son alone on the cross, to pay the price for the sins of the whole world, including those unbelievers of His own that rejected Him unto death.

No unbelieving uncircumcised natural born people of the flesh and nation on earth has absolutely anything to do with the promises and covenant of the risen LORD of Israel.

Except any of them repent and believe the gospel and obey Him, then they are reconciled to God and grafted into the commonwealth of Israel of God.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Romans 1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

33O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

34For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

35Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?

36For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

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[robert derrick]

Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.

Paul was proving by His own salvation of the Lord Jesus, that the natural seed of Israel was not cast off forever.

Like any other uncircumcised of heart natural people on earth, Israel after the flesh can indeed be grafted in again to the Israel of God on earth.

Them that God foreknew in prophecies of old, are them that God foreknew would not abide in unbelief, not any of the natural seed that would remain before God through the cross. No natural seed made that crossing with Jesus.

Rom 11 is not about only part of natural seed being cast away, because all on earth were cast away at the cross, all being concluded in unbelief.

Rom 11 is only about God rebuking the Christians of declaring all the natural seed to be reprobate from the Lord and cast off forever.

God did not cast away anyone forever without hope in the gospel by faith.

The only ones cast away forever in reprobation are them dying in unbelief, and them turning from the faith to return to unbelief on earth:

Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

They, the natural seed, were broken off, being all concluded in unbelief, and we the children of the seed of promise, Christ Jesus, can also be broken off in unbelief as they were.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Romans 26 And so """all Israel shall be saved""": as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

 

[robert derrick]

Romans 26 And so """all Israel shall be saved""": as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

In the end all Israel that is Israel shall be saved during the millennial kingdom of Christ, both the circumcised of flesh and them of heart.

 

[GISMYS_7]

In the end all Israel that is Israel shall be saved during the millennial kingdom of Christ, both the circumcised of flesh and them of heart.

OH!! wow!! Who finds this scripture hard to understand and feels we need help by adding to it???
Romans 26 And so """all Israel shall be saved""": as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

 

[robert derrick]

OH!! wow!! Who finds this scripture hard to understand and feels we need help by adding to it???
Romans 26 And so """all Israel shall be saved""": as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Not sure what you are getting at.

Are you saying all who will ever be grafted into the Israel of God are already saved, and so all Israel is already saved?

Will there not be more grafted into the Israel to come before the end of this world, including during His millennial reign on earth?

You seem to be making the Scripture harder to understand than it is.

 

[robert derrick]

He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.

Ths sons of the God of Israel are now His own, and if sons then also children, and if children of the God of Israel, then also the children of Israel.

As well as being the only children of Abraham on earth:

Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

And the only children of promise as Isaac was:

Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

As well as being the only children of Israel in physical bodies on earth born of the same seed, flesh and bones:

For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

And finally the only nation and priesthood of the God of Israel on earth, which is the holy one promised the children of Israel from the beginning of His first covenant with them:

Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

It was partially fulfilled in the Old Covenant by them of the faith of Abraham, and is now fully fulfilled by all them by the faith of Jesus:

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light.

All other people on earth in blind unbelief are uncircumcised nations and children of disobedience and wrath, who have no part in the God of Israel nor promise to His people.

 

[ewq1938]

In the end all Israel that is Israel shall be saved during the millennial kingdom of Christ, both the circumcised of flesh and them of heart.

Right. Those branches that removed are no longer part of Israel. They do not need to be saved and won't be unless someone realizes their error and accepts Christ and then will be put back.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Jesus Christ fulfilled the promises and covenant made to Abraham, the Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed, it's that simple

The promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ, read it again and again

Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church

Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)

(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

(2) National Ethnic Israel (Flesh)

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed

They which are the children of the flesh (Ethnic Israel) these are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Interesting, but who then is Jeshurun?

 

[Truth7t7]

Interesting, but who then is Jeshurun?

By all means, please provide scripture and a claim of you Jeshurun?

 

[GEN2REV]

@Truth7t7

Did you miss this post, Truth?

In the end all Israel that is Israel shall be saved during the millennial kingdom of Christ, both the circumcised of flesh and them of heart.

Any opinion?

 

[michaelvpardo]

By all means, please provide scripture and a claim of you Jeshurun?

1. Deuteronomy 32:15
   “But Jeshurun grew fat and kicked; You grew fat, you grew thick, You are obese! Then he forsook God who made him, And scornfully esteemed the Rock of his salvation.
   
   
2. Deuteronomy 33:5
   And He was King in Jeshurun, When the leaders of the people were gathered, All the tribes of Israel together.
   
   
3. Deuteronomy 33:26
   “There is no one like the God of Jeshurun, Who rides the heavens to help you, And in His excellency on the clouds.
   
   
4. Isaiah 44:2
   Thus says the Lord who made you And formed you from the womb, who will help you: ‘Fear not, O Jacob My servant; And you, Jeshurun, whom I have chosen.

I came across a Jewish book about Jeshurun once, but didn't read it (they're pretty much clueless about prophetic fulfillment. ) And I asked a pastor once, but he hadn't even heard of the name. The passages above were straight out of a "Bible gateway" search and probably the only usages in scripture, but seem to refer to glorified Israel.

 

[farouk]

1. Deuteronomy 32:15
   “But Jeshurun grew fat and kicked; You grew fat, you grew thick, You are obese! Then he forsook God who made him, And scornfully esteemed the Rock of his salvation.
   
   
2. Deuteronomy 33:5
   And He was King in Jeshurun, When the leaders of the people were gathered, All the tribes of Israel together.
   
   
3. Deuteronomy 33:26
   “There is no one like the God of Jeshurun, Who rides the heavens to help you, And in His excellency on the clouds.
   
   
4. Isaiah 44:2
   Thus says the Lord who made you And formed you from the womb, who will help you: ‘Fear not, O Jacob My servant; And you, Jeshurun, whom I have chosen.

I came across a Jewish book about Jeshurun once, but didn't read it (they're pretty much clueless about prophetic fulfillment. ) And I asked a pastor once, but he hadn't even heard of the name. The passages above were straight out of a "Bible gateway" search and probably the only usages in scripture, but seem to refer to glorified Israel.

Interesting verses there @michaelvpardo ...

 

[farouk]

PS: I do think the church and Israel are distinct; 1 Corinthians 10:32.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Interesting verses there @michaelvpardo ...

Yes, each usage is in prophetic passages, all spoken of as prominent in the prophetic, yet I haven't heard a Christian address them once. That's always struck me as odd.

 

[farouk]

Yes, each usage is in prophetic passages, all spoken of as prominent in the prophetic, yet I haven't heard a Christian address them once. That's always struck me as odd.

@michaelvpardo Good subject for ongoing meditation and study, indeed, yes...

 

[Truth7t7]

@Truth7t7

Did you miss this post, Truth?
Any opinion?

Scripture clearly defines "Israel" as the church Romans 9:6-8

All Israel will be saved, when the last name is saved and added to the Lambs book of life

There won't be a future Millennium on this earth, Jesus returns in fire and final judgement dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

 

[GEN2REV]

Scripture clearly defines "Israel" as the church Romans 9:6-8

All Israel will be saved, when the last name is saved and added to the Lambs book of life

There won't be a future Millennium on this earth, Jesus returns in fire and final judgement dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

Very succinct.

Thought maybe you were trying to keep the thread clean of any outside topics, understandably.