Jostler
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Absolutely amazing how quickly Laodicea stands up to mock the words of the Lord.....blows my mind. It's almost like there is a "reverse discernment" in operation....Let the dead bury the dead.
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Absolutely amazing how quickly Laodicea stands up to mock the words of the Lord.....blows my mind. It's almost like there is a "reverse discernment" in operation....Let the dead bury the dead.
What Churches are dying? Evangelical? Because the Orthodox are not, my Church is not, Lutherans are not, Catholics are not. So what Churches
God sent to Jonah to Ninevah to tell them to repent or be destroyed, They did and God relented, Jonah proceeded to begrudge the mercy of God, this is a hard lesson to learn for the ones who are called by God to warn, only to see their warning not come to pass. So I choose not to begrudge the mercy of God...because, when you interpreted 'watchman' in the manner that you did, not to mention your original dream interpretation that started all this, made me detect a misguided disposition in you - at least, according to my perception and for the reasons that I gave. Thus, I felt that I called a spade, a spade. Not to mention, you came out extremely aggressive also, claiming that you knew more about this than I do, as in, that I haven't a clue what I'm talking about. Which, I believe that I proved otherwise and exposed the folly in your exegesis, and in your inability to stay consistent. You said God calls, but may not divulge the truth ie. 'a watchman could be wrong'. Thus, my accusations were warranted.
But, I believe that you're wrong about Jonah. His warning did come to pass, it was conditional and the Ninevites chose one of the conditions, and God stayed fidel to His Word. Jonah was upset that God would even suggest showing mercy to such a wicked nation. All of Jonah's words came to pass exactly as he stipulated.God sent to Jonah to Ninevah to tell them to repent or be destroyed, They did and God relented, Jonah proceeded to begrudge the mercy of God, this is a hard lesson to learn for the ones who are called by God to warn, only to see their warning not come to pass. So I choose not to begrudge the mercy of God.
The Prophecies in scripture that I am speaking of here are a worst case scenario, Based on observations of the condition of this church age, the harlotry she has fallen into and the seducing spirits, The complacency, etc. Could God relent and send a revival? Yes, But from what I am seeing not anymore. Instead, we are seeing a silent revival of the saints while the rest fall away into apostacy exactly as Scripture has promised.
The real question you need to ask is where am I on that scale? Am i one of the ones who thinks they are rich and in need of nothing thus living in denial of their need for Jesus, Or are you zealously repenting? these things are not being taught in the churches of men, instead they are preaching words of comfort to itching ears.
God Bless.
Churches die when they Lose their Candlestick Out of his place (Rev. 2:5) this is how each church age ends, including this last one. So Yes each of those churches still exist like the orthodox and the catholic But they have lost their light. We are the last church age and that light is beginning to flicker, what rises next is not another cathedral of the church age but a Holy remnant of the saints, which are birthed in the wilderness of the great tribulation.
Those remaining edifices of Christendom will become part of the Harlot Of Revelation 17.
Absolutely amazing how quickly Laodicea stands up to mock the words of the Lord.....blows my mind. It's almost like there is a "reverse discernment" in operation....Let the dead bury the dead.
Injudicious hokum, nutty. Interesting. You sling insults with no attempt to define, much less correct what you consider "injudicious hokum" spouted by a nut. Do you have anything constructive to add at all?
Your opinion, not truth just injudicious hokum. Evangelicals like you always have a high opinion of themselves and thinking they are right and come up with really nutty ideas.
We have been taught too well to separate the spiritual from the physical. There is no separation naturally that cannot be overcome. Since sin is the dividing factor it is just easier to live in sin and postpone the inevitable spiritual existence that is to us, "a future event".I wanted to Post this here as it pertains to the final outpouring of the gift of discerning of Spirits and the final church age.
We have been taught too well to separate the spiritual from the physical.... The church fails to bring the spiritual to earth and incorporate God in our hourly decision making. The church has literally resigned to the fact that sin is in control and there is nothing we can do about it, that is the result of reformed theology. It is sad that the church fell for Satan's deception and let it permeate our society.
Several years ago, I had a dream about a great cathedral that sat upon a mountain top. This Cathedral was destroyed in a cataclysmic fire. (This was well before the burning down of Notre Dame in Paris). From out of the ruins of this cathedral I saw a spring of water coming forth as the foundation was split asunder as in Rock that Moses split, and the though the institutional church had lost its presence in the world, the saints were issuing forth from the destruction.
In This day and age, the final church age, the Laodicean church, the last cathedral of the church age is coming to a close, and its destruction is imminent. Today, we are seeing churches all over the world failing and falling down due to shutdowns from Covid 19, and government restrictions, many are dying due to the inability to pay the bills, the hirelings are not being paid and in some cases are leaving for greener pastures. In Others they are rising in millitancy, and placing their faith in Governments and princes instead of trusting in the LORD.
This was all foretold in Revelation, for those who have eyes to see. What is replacing this final church age is not another church age, But a Holy Remnant of saints who belong not to a church, but have made Christ Jesus their all in all, and live in the fulness of Christ. These are the Saints of Revelation. The beast will make war on the saints, and will overcome them, But by their testimony they overcome Satan and he is cast down to earth because of their endurance. An endurance that comes not from weapons and military or governmental might, But by the providence of the LORD who is their all in all.
This is the final conflict and trial those who believe will face. Those who Pass will receive eternal rewards, those who fail, will become part of the Harlot of Revelation 17, The institutional Church is no more, and that time of wilderness testing is coming and from the wilderness we either go into the presence of the King of Kings, or Join the kings of this world, Joining the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit.
Your second paragraph about Dispensationalist's idea of Church Ages betrays the pre-trib rapture theory of man you are probably on. However, you are not correct about today's organizational Church systems of man. Those mainstream systems are still very alive and well, teaching for Christian doctrine instead the doctrines of men. The preaching of The Gospel is common to all of them, as it must be, but they are not all staying with the written Word of God on many other things, especially not for today's times. Much of Christ's Church today is not being prepared for what is coming upon the world.
It is funny cause you say the Organizational church systems are still preaching Christian doctrine , yet there is still a famine of hearing the Word of God, which Points to the OP and the fact that we are living in a Laodicean age. The Church ages teaching is not part of dispensational thinking. The two "theologians" that presented this, were A.W. Pink, and William Branham, about as diverse a couple as you can get. Pink was reformed in his theology, and Branham was a charismatic and preterist. Pink Wrote his work around the time of WW1 so he had not fully seen the manifestations of the post-modern church, Branham sometime later, And he got caught up in his pride claiming to be someone he was not, the messenger of this church age.
In Dispensationalism in general, there is the view that two churches exist in the end, Philadelphia and Laodicea, and that one gets raptured, and one gets spewed out to face the beast in the Great tribulation becoming the misnamed "tribulation saints". To me, theory is the very essence of the denial of the Laodicean church age. Of course everyone believes they and their church denomination is the Philadelphian church, and we have even had cults form espousing this theory (WWCOG). But what I am saying is that all believers alive today are living in the Laodicean church age, All are in need of the instruction therein. All must come to see their complacency and denial as we are all alive in this day and age. This church age began circa 1900, with the Humanist translations of the Bible, the outpouring of the gift of Tongues to counter the textualism that had overtaken the fundamentalist movement, Post modernism as a reaction to the rigid modernism of the Victorian Era.
The fundamental flaw in this understanding begins with the failure to distinguish between the faithful and the saints. This error began in the transition from the Thyatira to Sardis Age, Or the time of the reformation. In Casting out and reforming much of Catholic tradition (which in itself was largely a good thing for the catholics had fallen into idolatry (Jezebel spirit/ Marianism)) They also threw out the distinction between the faithful and the saints calling all believers saints. With this arose Calvinism which brought evangelism to an end and the dying church. This dying church was raised up by the missionary movements of the 18th and 19th centuries with the Moravians, and the Wesleys as A.W. Tozer spoke of in the chapter I Posted here. This was the Philadelphian age and was primarily a fundamentalist movement, a living and transforming movement that eventually fell into the "cult of Textualism" as we see its many currently practicing followers on forums such as this attacking those who believe in the gifts of the spirit. Here is a short article on this that you should read from Tozer.