The Crucible of Fire

[perrero]

Is God in the Fire?



In Daniel 3:19-27, we read of three young Hebrew men who dared to defy the odds. Nebuchadnezzar, the King of Babylon, riding the waves of popularity and certainly full of himself, decided to build a statue that was from a dream he had. This statue had a head of Gold on it that, according to Daniel’s interpretation, represented the King himself and his great kingdom.

Nebuchadnezzar therefore proceeded to have erected this huge statue that would become a focal point of worship for all his subjects, but not for the Hebrew men. Even though in captivity these three kept there righteous relationship with Yahweh, the real King of kings, and refused to bow to the idol. They may have been in Babylon but they remembered the Laws of Mount Sinai. The did not forget the second precept that forbade to “make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.” (Exodus 20:4)

This drew king Neb’s ire and in his anger he orders the 3 men to be cast into the fiery furnace. Moreover he called for the furnace to be heated seven times hotter than normal. It may not have been lava heat but I’m sure it was pretty close. Mind you it was so hot that the guards who threw them in were consumed on the spot. Talk about a BBQ!

However, as these Hebrew faithful plummet into the cremator, they find themselves in the presence of the Creator. And we are not talking about a touchy feely kind of presence, it was actually God with them side by side. When the king notices the fourth individual, he praises God and calls the young men out. Everybody in the court gather around them, not to help them, but to see this great phenomenon that just occurred. See Daniel 3:26-27 “Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego came from the midst of the fire. 27 And the satraps, administrators, governors, and the king’s counselors gathered together, and they saw these men on whose bodies the fire had no power; the hair of their head was not singed nor were their garments affected, and the smell of fire was not on them.”

So what are the lessons that we can draw from this?

1) The number 7

In this story we must remark the Number 7. This number in scripture is represents spiritual perfection. It is the number stamped on many events, stories and times in the bible. In the case of this story God is telling us and was telling the three men that HE was in control of the situation. From the beginning His sovereign hand was in charge of the king, of the furnace, of life. His control suggested to King Neb to order the fire to be heated not 5, nor 10 times greater but 7 times and that for the purpose of signalling that Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-Nego were safe in the palm of His hand and under His benevolent care.

2) Like the Son of God

The important thing to remember is that God is always with us even in the midst of the storm or in this case the fire. He will never leave us nor forsake us. Learn to turn to Him in the moments of trial. It does not matter what crucible we are going through He is there in the midst because He loves us.

3) Hair not singed

Our hair speaks of covering. God is our covering; He is our protector in times of trouble. We can take refuge under His wings. There is nothing that can harm Him. He says; ”Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.”
Matthew (10:29-31) NIV

Everyone will hate you because of me. But not a hair of your head will perish. Stand firm, and you will win life.
Luke (21:17-18) NIV

4) Garments not burned

The garments speak of our identity and our authority. Our authority is God given and is not diminished or lost even in the middle of the fire. In any circumstance or situation our authority will always be greater than our enemy. 1 John 4:4 “Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.”

Luke 9:1, Mat. 10:8, Mat. 8:8-13, Mark 16:17, Eph. 2:6

5) No smell of fire

The sweet aroma Whether as a martyr or as one who travels through adversity, our lives produce a sacrificial fragrance that rises to God as an acceptable offering.

2 Cor. 2:14-16 “But thanks be to God, who always leads us in Christ’s triumphal procession and through us spreads the aroma of the knowledge of him in every place. 15 For to God we are the fragrance of Christ among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing. 16 To some we are an aroma of death leading to death, but to others, an aroma of life leading to life. Who is adequate for these things?”

Now go walk in VICTORY!

 

[perrero]

I think I should have entitled this "Is God in the Fire"

 

[skyangel]

According to scripture, God is not just "in the fire" but IS the fire.

Deut 4:24 For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

Deut 9:3 Understand therefore this day, that the LORD thy God is he which goeth over before thee; as a consuming fire he shall destroy them, and he shall bring them down before thy face: so shalt thou drive them out, and destroy them quickly, as the LORD hath said unto thee.

Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

It is also interesting to note that Jesus Christ has been turned into an idol and graven image and many bow down to that image.
They also threaten those who do not bow down to their image of Jesus, with being thrown in the lake of fire or hell for all eternity.
Dan3:6 And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.
Bowing before the the image of Jesus, whether it is a graven image of wood or stone or just an image in your mind, is no different to bowing before the statue that King Neb built.

People who have built statues of Jesus Christ and those who bow to the statues and pray to them are violating scripture
Lev 26:1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

It is also interesting that Christians perceive Jesus as the chief corner STONE and this STONE is what they worship and idolise.

10 Most Famous Jesus Statues In The World - 10 Most Today

That idol is a false Christ and worship of the idol or the male person it represents is sheer idolatry.

Ex 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Deut 4:16 Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female,

 

[Dcopymope]

Is God in the Fire?



In Daniel 3:19-27, we read of three young Hebrew men who dared to defy the odds. Nebuchadnezzar, the King of Babylon, riding the waves of popularity and certainly full of himself, decided to build a statue that was from a dream he had. This statue had a head of Gold on it that, according to Daniel’s interpretation, represented the King himself and his great kingdom.

Nebuchadnezzar therefore proceeded to have erected this huge statue that would become a focal point of worship for all his subjects, but not for the Hebrew men. Even though in captivity these three kept there righteous relationship with Yahweh, the real King of kings, and refused to bow to the idol. They may have been in Babylon but they remembered the Laws of Mount Sinai. The did not forget the second precept that forbade to “make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.” (Exodus 20:4)

This drew king Neb’s ire and in his anger he orders the 3 men to be cast into the fiery furnace. Moreover he called for the furnace to be heated seven times hotter than normal. It may not have been lava heat but I’m sure it was pretty close. Mind you it was so hot that the guards who threw them in were consumed on the spot. Talk about a BBQ!

However, as these Hebrew faithful plummet into the cremator, they find themselves in the presence of the Creator. And we are not talking about a touchy feely kind of presence, it was actually God with them side by side. When the king notices the fourth individual, he praises God and calls the young men out. Everybody in the court gather around them, not to help them, but to see this great phenomenon that just occurred. See Daniel 3:26-27 “Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego came from the midst of the fire. 27 And the satraps, administrators, governors, and the king’s counselors gathered together, and they saw these men on whose bodies the fire had no power; the hair of their head was not singed nor were their garments affected, and the smell of fire was not on them.”

So what are the lessons that we can draw from this?

1) The number 7

In this story we must remark the Number 7. This number in scripture is represents spiritual perfection. It is the number stamped on many events, stories and times in the bible. In the case of this story God is telling us and was telling the three men that HE was in control of the situation. From the beginning His sovereign hand was in charge of the king, of the furnace, of life. His control suggested to King Neb to order the fire to be heated not 5, nor 10 times greater but 7 times and that for the purpose of signalling that Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-Nego were safe in the palm of His hand and under His benevolent care.

The number seven being the number of completion or perfection most likely has more to do with the seven spirits of God, also symbolized by the seven eyes described on Jesus in Revelation.

(Isaiah 11:1-2) "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 1. And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, 2. the spirit of wisdom and 3. understanding, 4. the spirit of counsel and 5. might, the 6. spirit of knowledge and of the 7. fear of the LORD;"

(Revelation 5:6) "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth."

2) Like the Son of God

The important thing to remember is that God is always with us even in the midst of the storm or in this case the fire. He will never leave us nor forsake us. Learn to turn to Him in the moments of trial. It does not matter what crucible we are going through He is there in the midst because He loves us.

3) Hair not singed

Our hair speaks of covering. God is our covering; He is our protector in times of trouble. We can take refuge under His wings. There is nothing that can harm Him. He says; ”Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.”
Matthew (10:29-31) NIV

Everyone will hate you because of me. But not a hair of your head will perish. Stand firm, and you will win life.
Luke (21:17-18) NIV

Yep, he may be with you through your trials, but he certainly won't hide you from them, or from the rain, like that one stupid gospel song claimed. I'm pretty sure you know the song I'm talking about by Charles Jenkins. This is the kind of mentality that rubs me the wrong way, because its the kind of crap that breeds false doctrines like the pre-tribulation rapture. And don't just expect help from God that you never asked for. He still responds according to your faith.

(Matthew 5:43-45) "¶ Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. {44} But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; {45} That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."

 

[DPMartin]

According to scripture, God is not just "in the fire" but IS the fire.

Deut 4:24 For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

Deut 9:3 Understand therefore this day, that the LORD thy God is he which goeth over before thee; as a consuming fire he shall destroy them, and he shall bring them down before thy face: so shalt thou drive them out, and destroy them quickly, as the LORD hath said unto thee.

Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

It is also interesting to note that Jesus Christ has been turned into an idol and graven image and many bow down to that image.
They also threaten those who do not bow down to their image of Jesus, with being thrown in the lake of fire or hell for all eternity.
Dan3:6 And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.
Bowing before the the image of Jesus, whether it is a graven image of wood or stone or just an image in your mind, is no different to bowing before the statue that King Neb built.

People who have built statues of Jesus Christ and those who bow to the statues and pray to them are violating scripture
Lev 26:1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

It is also interesting that Christians perceive Jesus as the chief corner STONE and this STONE is what they worship and idolise.

10 Most Famous Jesus Statues In The World - 10 Most Today

That idol is a false Christ and worship of the idol or the male person it represents is sheer idolatry.

Ex 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Deut 4:16 Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female,

To use things of the earth to get the world to think about Christ as a reminder, even to the point of propaganda isn’t a sin. All the objects of the tabernacle were there to promote the concept of God being with them, and the things of God, but that doesn’t mean they worship the tabernacle itself, does it?

It is the presence of God that is worshiped, not what promotes that He is, or who He is, or what He is. The statue isn’t the sinner, he who worships the statue is. But again, one must also consider the fact that Jesus is the accurate image of God in the flesh. Truly the Son is the image and likeness of the Father. So, image of God isn’t a sin, either is it? Didn't God Himself say let use make them in our own image and likeness?

Who holds the bible in their hands, which is a lifeless object, when they pray. How do you know someone isn’t using a statue, or other visual works in the same respect?

Also, if you are referring to organizations like the catholic church one must also take into consideration that only maybe a hundred or so years back there was no free public education that the masses could learn to read and if there was, they didn’t use it because of economic issues. So, stain glass windows, paintings, and statues where for the teaching and the promoting of attention towards the Lord and His Church.

But if someone expects an idol to answer prayer, that’s their fault, and the Lord our God treats it as such.

the Lord told Moses to make the snake on the staff that healed Israel in the desert, but that doesn't mean He told them to take that same staff in later generations and worship it, which some of them did. again its not that the object is, it what men do.

 

[perrero]

The number seven being the number of completion or perfection most likely has more to do with the seven spirits of God, also symbolized by the seven eyes described on Jesus in Revelation.

I would agree in these different kinds of symbolism, but in this context, for them at the time and for us today, the Lord wanted us simply to know that no matter what circumstance or trial He is always there for us. And in being there, He is more than capable of taking us through.

Yep, he may be with you through your trials, but he certainly won't hide you from them, or from the rain, like that one stupid gospel song claimed. I'm pretty sure you know the song I'm talking about by Charles Jenkins. This is the kind of mentality that rubs me the wrong way, because its the kind of crap that breeds false doctrines like the pre-tribulation rapture. And don't just expect help from God that you never asked for. He still responds according to your faith.

This is true, we would never learn or grow, if we did not face with His strength and power, the adversity that comes our way.

 

[Dcopymope]

I would agree in these different kinds of symbolism, but in this context, for them at the time and for us today, the Lord wanted us simply to know that no matter what circumstance or trial He is always there for us. And in being there, He is more than capable of taking us through.



This is true, we would never learn or grow, if we did not face with His strength and power, the adversity that comes our way.

Well, if you were God, would you want a bunch of wimpy, effeminate cowards ruling with you in his kingdom and judging angels? What gives someone unwilling to endure some adversity with the help of the full of armor of God the right to judge or reign over anything that is of God almighty? Its a sick joke. If "believers" can't endure a little adversity now, then woe to those people when the Great Tribulation occurs. Its not going to be a pretty picture during that time, especially knowing how pissed off Satan will be when he gets dropped kicked out of heaven by the archangel Michael. We know it is us that he is going to be taking out all that pent up rage on when he gets his teeth kicked in.

 

[skyangel]

To use things of the earth to get the world to think about Christ as a reminder, even to the point of propaganda isn’t a sin. All the objects of the tabernacle were there to promote the concept of God being with them, and the things of God, but that doesn’t mean they worship the tabernacle itself, does it?

It is the presence of God that is worshiped, not what promotes that He is, or who He is, or what He is. The statue isn’t the sinner, he who worships the statue is. But again, one must also consider the fact that Jesus is the accurate image of God in the flesh. Truly the Son is the image and likeness of the Father. So, image of God isn’t a sin, either is it? Didn't God Himself say let use make them in our own image and likeness?

Who holds the bible in their hands, which is a lifeless object, when they pray. How do you know someone isn’t using a statue, or other visual works in the same respect?

Also, if you are referring to organizations like the catholic church one must also take into consideration that only maybe a hundred or so years back there was no free public education that the masses could learn to read and if there was, they didn’t use it because of economic issues. So, stain glass windows, paintings, and statues where for the teaching and the promoting of attention towards the Lord and His Church.

But if someone expects an idol to answer prayer, that’s their fault, and the Lord our God treats it as such.

the Lord told Moses to make the snake on the staff that healed Israel in the desert, but that doesn't mean He told them to take that same staff in later generations and worship it, which some of them did. again its not that the object is, it what men do.

As long as believers perceive God to be a male "Father figure" in the sky, and waiting for a man named Jesus to return to Earth in literal clouds one day, they are worshipping an idol. That is a fact whether you choose to believe it or not.

 

[skyangel]

Well, if you were God, would you want a bunch of wimpy, effeminate cowards ruling with you in his kingdom and judging angels? What gives someone unwilling to endure some adversity with the help of the full of armor of God the right to judge or reign over anything that is of God almighty? Its a sick joke. If "believers" can't endure a little adversity now, then woe to those people when the Great Tribulation occurs. Its not going to be a pretty picture during that time, especially knowing how pissed off Satan will be when he gets dropped kicked out of heaven by the archangel Michael. We know it is us that he is going to be taking out all that pent up rage on when he gets his teeth kicked in.

Satan or the Devil cannot take out anything on anyone since he and his works were destroyed long ago. Didn't you know that?
You better read the story more carefully.

Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

According to the above scriptures the devil and all his works were destroyed through the death of Christ.
Any sin on Earth today is not the devils fault but is the fault of humans and their lusts. No one else is to blame.

James 1:14-15 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Believers seem to think they have so much "adversity" to endure. The Truth is that they do not endure anything that anyone else does not also endure. All people on this planet endure adversity of some kind regardless of what they believe. None are exempt from it. It is simply a part of life.

 

[DPMartin]

As long as believers perceive God to be a male "Father figure" in the sky, and waiting for a man named Jesus to return to Earth in literal clouds one day, they are worshipping an idol. That is a fact whether you choose to believe it or not.

no that's not a fact, that's your view, in your disbelief. facts have nothing to do with that. the Living God (Creator and Judge) is not an idol, and objects without life (idols) are not gods, though they be treated as such.

what would you do to keep this life in the flesh you are experiencing? but yet you will loss it. it a very good chance you worship this life. therefore you have a "god" also it provides you with all that you love and value, but again it, life of the flesh has no power to promise you your next breath.

being alive isn't a utopia, its the desire of all that experience it, but if it be in accordance to your own judgement of what is good and evil then that judgement it truly yours to receive. God has His place in Heaven but He has given man His place in the earth, hence man must deal with the consequence of what they have done with what is God's. animals don't, they don't bicker over right and wrong, true or not true. they act without concern at all to answer for their doings, why? its not given to them to answer for their doings, they don't have God's place in the earth.

 

[skyangel]

no that's not a fact, that's your view, in your disbelief. facts have nothing to do with that. the Living God (Creator and Judge) is not an idol, and objects without life (idols) are not gods, though they be treated as such.

I have no disbelief in anything except for mythical characters. Life itself is the creator of Life in reality. You may call Life God if you so desire but that does make LIFE a person ( visible or invisible) who needs to be worshipped at any time. Life is a SPIRIT which has no definite shape or form any more than wind has a definite form. To personify LIFE as a person and worship the person as a man is idolatry whether you wish to believe it or not. It is no better or wiser than worshipping any of the mythical Greek gods. Whether you make a statue of the god/God or not makes no difference if you are still idolising a man in your heart.
It is impossible to make an image of a Spirit (God) since Spirit is like the wind, without shape or form, without beginning or end. Can you make an image of the wind?
Deut 4:16 Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female,

Believers have corrupted themselves and made an image in their hearts and minds of a man in the likeness of male and the foolish people worship that invisible male figure as God.

what would you do to keep this life in the flesh you are experiencing? but yet you will loss it. it a very good chance you worship this life. therefore you have a "god" also it provides you with all that you love and value, but again it, life of the flesh has no power to promise you your next breath.

being alive isn't a utopia, its the desire of all that experience it, but if it be in accordance to your own judgement of what is good and evil then that judgement it truly yours to receive. God has His place in Heaven but He has given man His place in the earth, hence man must deal with the consequence of what they have done with what is God's. animals don't, they don't bicker over right and wrong, true or not true. they act without concern at all to answer for their doings, why? its not given to them to answer for their doings, they don't have God's place in the earth.

I need to do nothing to keep life in the flesh since the flesh is destined to die and return to dust.
I embrace life since I am part of it. It is in me and I am in it, but do not idolise or worship it. Life is only "god" in the sense that it is in authority over ALL. Life alone reproduces life and life also takes away and destroys life. Ultimately life is a process of self destruction as well as self reproduction where the new is constantly replacing the old.
The flesh dies constantly but the Spirit of life never dies. You can answer to whoever or whatever invisible beings you like but I AM that I AM and I AM perfect just the way LIFE itself made me so if LIFE wishes to condemn me for who and what I AM, it's not my fault but the fault of LIFE itself for making me the way I AM.
I take full responsibility for all my own choices and actions and I have a perfectly clear conscience which does not condemn me at all. I already abide in heaven and will remain there all my life for all eternity since life is eternal.
I am not of this world.
Truth and lies are merely opposite aspects of the very same Truth in the same way as Day and night are opposite aspects of the very same Day. Whether people perceive something to be truth or lies depends on whether they abide in light or darkness and whether they manage to see how opposites work together to make the WHOLE or not.

 

[Dcopymope]

Satan or the Devil cannot take out anything on anyone since he and his works were destroyed long ago. Didn't you know that?
You better read the story more carefully.

Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

According to the above scriptures the devil and all his works were destroyed through the death of Christ.
Any sin on Earth today is not the devils fault but is the fault of humans and their lusts. No one else is to blame.

James 1:14-15 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Believers seem to think they have so much "adversity" to endure. The Truth is that they do not endure anything that anyone else does not also endure. All people on this planet endure adversity of some kind regardless of what they believe. None are exempt from it. It is simply a part of life.

Satan no longer has power over death through the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, but until he returns and Satan is rotting forever in the Lake of Fire, he is still the god of this world and its kingdoms.

(2 Corinthians 4:3-6) "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: {4} In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. {5} For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus’ sake. {6} For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

It doesn't say a god of this world, it says THE god of this world, and he will bring a great deal of pain on those still on it when the time comes, because he simply can. You'll either be ready for it, or you won't.

 

[skyangel]

Satan no longer has power over death through the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, but until he returns and Satan is rotting forever in the Lake of Fire, he is still the god of this world and its kingdoms.



It doesn't say a god of this world, it says THE god of this world, and he will bring a great deal of pain on those still on it when the time comes, because he simply can. You'll either be ready for it, or you won't.

Christ returned on the day of Pentecost to be IN the disciples. He has no need to return again. John 14:20, John 17:23-26, Acts 2
All true disciples see him at all times ( John 14:19). The blind who are of the world obviously do not see him and will never see him again any better than the Pharisees saw him in the story in spite of looking directly at him in the flesh every day. John 14:19
Satan is already forever rotting in the lake of fire and always will be. Heb 2:14
The only "god of this world" is the one you allow to rule your life in this world. Rom 6:16, James 4:7
To those who are in Christ, Christ is already Lord of ALL ( Acts 2:36, Acts 10:36) and has all authority and power over all things in heaven and Earth. ( Matt 28:18) Christ is the Lord of all the Earth. (Acts 7:49, Acts 17:24)
To those who love to continue in their sins, the devil is still god of the world which they are of due to not having overcome the evil in their own lives.
In the end darkness plus light make up the WHOLE PERFECT DAY called LIGHT. Consider that in a spiritual sense and open your eyes to see the LIGHT.

Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
Amos 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
Amos 5:20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

Matt 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
Matt 27:51-52 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

 

[Dcopymope]

Christ returned on the day of Pentecost to be IN the disciples. He has no need to return again. John 14:20, John 17:23-26, Acts 2

He has no need to return again pal? Well, then have fun rotting six feet under the dirt in your coffin then, because your redemption into your new glorified, incorruptible body is in fact never gonna happen.

Satan is already forever rotting in the lake of fire and always will be. Heb 2:14

(Hebrews 2:14) "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;"

At what point does it say anything about the lake of fire being occupied by anybody?

To those who are in Christ, Christ is already Lord of ALL ( Acts 2:36, Acts 10:36) and has all authority and power over all things in heaven and Earth. ( Matt 28:18) Christ is the Lord of all the Earth. (Acts 7:49, Acts 17:24)

These versus you speak of are in relation to that which God created, the heavens and the earth, not the nations of the earth.

What earth will truly be like under Christs rule:

(Micah 4:1-7) "But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it. {2} And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

{3} ¶ And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. {4} But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it. {5} For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever. {6} In that day, saith the LORD, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven out, and her that I have afflicted; {7} And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever."

Now unless you can record footage of Jesus Christ ruling the nations with a rod of iron from his throne in Israel right now, bringing peace, security onto the world, and unless you can cite any case of the entire world destroying every weapon they have ever devised, be they tomahawk cruise missiles, machines guns and nukes, then literally every single text you cited was totally out of context. If the mayhem and pure evil we see is the best Jesus Christ can do as absolute ruler, then I'm not impressed. He is doing about as piss poor of a job managing the affairs of all nations as anybody could ever do. Seriously, its mind boggling the kind of crap people can pull out of their waste orifice.

 

[skyangel]

He has no need to return again pal? Well, then have fun rotting six feet under the dirt in your coffin then, because your redemption into your new glorified, incorruptible body is in fact never gonna happen.

I am already in the glorified body so what happens to my physical body is irrelevant. As far as I am concerned it will remain as dust forever the same as everyone elses physical bodies remain as dust forever.

At what point does it say anything about the lake of fire being occupied by anybody?

People tend to get that idea from Rev 19:20, Rev 20:10, Rev 20:15.
According to the above scriptures the lake of fire appears to be occupied by the devil, the beast, false prophets, those who worshipped the image of the beast, and whoever was not found in the book of life. According to Rev 20:10 they are tormented day and night forever.

 

[Dcopymope]

I am already in the glorified body so what happens to my physical body is irrelevant. As far as I am concerned it will remain as dust forever the same as everyone elses physical bodies remain as dust forever.

LOL, Man, the gonads on this lady. You are almost tempting me to use the ignore button as you display your mount Everest sized ego.

People tend to get that idea from Rev 19:20, Rev 20:10, Rev 20:15.
According to the above scriptures the lake of fire appears to be occupied by the devil, the beast, false prophets, those who worshipped the image of the beast, and whoever was not found in the book of life. According to Rev 20:10 they are tormented day and night forever.

Yeah, and your point being what now? Let me guess, this already occurred, is that the idea I'm supposed to get from this? Man, how tiresome do these false doctrines get. What happened to all the other crap you spouted about Jesus Christ already ruling the affairs of nations? Where is the peace, security, disarmament, and civility among nations that was prophesied to occur upon his return?

 

[skyangel]

What earth will truly be like under Christs rule:

Now unless you can record footage of Jesus Christ ruling the nations with a rod of iron from his throne in Israel right now, bringing peace, security onto the world, and unless you can cite any case of the entire world destroying every weapon they have ever devised, be they tomahawk cruise missiles, machines guns and nukes, then literally every single text you cited was totally out of context. If the mayhem and pure evil we see is the best Jesus Christ can do as absolute ruler, then I'm not impressed. He is doing about as piss poor of a job managing the affairs of all nations as anybody could ever do. Seriously, its mind boggling the kind of crap people can pull out of their waste orifice.

No more mind boggling than the waste you pull out of yours.
Seriously, do you have any concept of the Jesus Christ being the SAME yesterday Today and forever? Heb 13:8

If the character is not the same today as he was in the bible stories,ie on Earth in the flesh, he is not the same yesterday today and forever. If the character is not the same tomorrow as he was in the bible stories, ie on Earth in the flesh. He is not the same yesterday today and forever.
If the character does something different tomorrow or in future than he did in the bible stories, he is not the same yesterday today and forever.
According to scripture (Ecc 1:9) all that will be done has already been done and there is no new thing under the sun.
If something new happens in future that has never happened in the past, it would make scripture a lie.
If Jesus Christ needs to return to do something else that he has not already done then his work is not finished at all and John 17:4 would be a lie.
If Jesus Christ actually ever ruled in a physical sense from a kingdom in Jerusalem, then it would make Matt 24:23 and Luke 17:21 a lie because the people who would be then saying Christ is over "Here" in Jerusalem or over "There" in Jerusalem when the bible clearly says to not believe anyone who claims such things. Therefore to believe it will happen one day that Christ and His physical kingdom will be "here" or "there" on Planet Earth is plain stupidity.

Matt 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mar 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Luke 17:23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.

Why should we not believe anyone who says Christ will one day be here or there? BECAUSE...for the kingdom of God is within you.
It always has been within people in the past, It is still within people today and it will continue to be within people of the future for all eternity.
People who preach that one day a physical man named Jesus Christ will physically be ruling non this physical Earth in Jerusalem are self deceived and fooling themselves.
The Spirit rules on the Earth WITHIN the physical flesh of those who have accepted that Spirit as Ruler of their lives and who OBEY the Spirit within. It has always been that way and is still that way and will always be that way for all eternity. Only fools look for a physical Christ to arrive in physical clouds and set up a physical kingdom on Earth.

 

[skyangel]

LOL, Man, the gonads on this lady. You are almost tempting me to use the ignore button as you display your mount Everest sized ego.

Dead people don't have egos.
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Besides that your righteousness must exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees or you won't get into heaven.
Matt 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
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[Dcopymope]

No more mind boggling than the waste you pull out of yours.
Seriously, do you have any concept of the Jesus Christ being the SAME yesterday Today and forever? Heb 13:8

If the character is not the same today as he was in the bible stories,ie on Earth in the flesh, he is not the same yesterday today and forever. If the character is not the same tomorrow as he was in the bible stories, ie on Earth in the flesh. He is not the same yesterday today and forever.
If the character does something different tomorrow or in future than he did in the bible stories, he is not the same yesterday today and forever.
According to scripture (Ecc 1:9) all that will be done has already been done and there is no new thing under the sun.
If something new happens in future that has never happened in the past, it would make scripture a lie.
If Jesus Christ needs to return to do something else that he has not already done then his work is not finished at all and John 17:4 would be a lie.
If Jesus Christ actually ever ruled in a physical sense from a kingdom in Jerusalem, then it would make Matt 24:23 and Luke 17:21 a lie because the people who would be then saying Christ is over "Here" in Jerusalem or over "There" in Jerusalem when the bible clearly says to not believe anyone who claims such things. Therefore to believe it will happen one day that Christ and His physical kingdom will be "here" or "there" on Planet Earth is plain stupidity.

Matt 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mar 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Luke 17:23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.

Why should we not believe anyone who says Christ will one day be here or there? BECAUSE...for the kingdom of God is within you.
It always has been within people in the past, It is still within people today and it will continue to be within people of the future for all eternity.
People who preach that one day a physical man named Jesus Christ will physically be ruling non this physical Earth in Jerusalem are self deceived and fooling themselves.
The Spirit rules on the Earth WITHIN the physical flesh of those who have accepted that Spirit as Ruler of their lives and who OBEY the Spirit within. It has always been that way and is still that way and will always be that way for all eternity. Only fools look for a physical Christ to arrive in physical clouds and set up a physical kingdom on Earth.

Its really a simple question, and since you can't answer the damn question, I'll just put you on ignore and move on in life.

 

[skyangel]

Its really a simple question, and since you can't answer the damn question, I'll just put you on ignore and move on in life.

That's understandable since Darkness always flees from the Light and has no interest in being enlightened.
Run run as fast as you can in case The TRUTH ruins your false doctrines.