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And I already told you – the Son’s name ISN’T mentioned in Matt. 28:19,

“Per”, means “according to”, Einstein. So, per Matt. 28:19 – there is NO proper name for the Son. We read in OTHER verses that His name is Jesus. However – you have YET to tell me the proper name of the Father and the Holy Spirit – so your entire argument about proper names is DEAD in the water.

Not very bright – are you?
The mystery of the name of the son is revealed in Acts 2:38.

Jesus said in Matt 28:19 to go and baptize in the name of the son.... and Peter did exactly that per Acts 2:38 etc.

It is the RCC and her daughters that cannot figure out what the name of the son is, per baptism.

This has been hidden from them for 1600 plus years.

Fascinating thing to observe.
 

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The mystery of the name of the son is revealed in Acts 2:38.

Jesus said in Matt 28:19 to go and baptize in the name of the son.... and Peter did exactly that per Acts 2:38 etc.

It is the RCC and her daughters that cannot figure out what the name of the son is, per baptism.

This has been hidden from them for 1600 plus years.

Fascinating thing to observe.

WRONG, Einstein.

Jesus In Matt. 28:19 – Jesus commands His disciples to Baptize in the name of the FATHER and opf the SON and of the HOLY SPIRIT.
YOU keep cancelling out the FATHER and the Holy Spirit – the 1st and 3rd Persons of the Trinity because you ignorantly believe that Jesus was talking about proper names.

As I have educated you on MANY occasions – He wasn’t. “In the NAME of” means “By7 the AUTHORITY of”. This is what happens when you turn your back on His Church and wander through His Word as a Lone Ranger.
Keep studying – you’ll get there . . .
On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 9:21 AM Tony Lemos <[email protected]> wrote:
The mystery of the name of the son is revealed in Acts 2:38.

Jesus said in Matt 28:19 to go and baptize in the name of the son.... and Peter did exactly that per Acts 2:38 etc.

It is the RCC and her daughters that cannot figure out what the name of the son is, per baptism.

This has been hidden from them for 1600 plus years.

Fascinating thing to observe.
On Mon, Nov 7, 2022, 9:11 AM Tony Lemos <[email protected]> wrote:
And I already told you – the Son’s name ISN’T mentioned in Matt. 28:19,

“Per”, means “according to”, Einstein. So, per Matt. 28:19 – there is NO proper name for the Son. We read in OTHER verses that His name is Jesus. However – you have YET to tell me the proper name of the Father and the Holy Spirit – so your entire argument about proper names is DEAD in the water.

Not very bright – are you?
 

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WRONG, Einstein.

Jesus In Matt. 28:19Jesus commands His disciples to Baptize in the name of the FATHER and opf the SON and of the HOLY SPIRIT.
YOU keep cancelling out the FATHER and the Holy Spirit – the 1st and 3rd Persons of the Trinity because you ignorantly believe that Jesus was talking about proper names.

As I have educated you on MANY occasions – He wasn’t. “In the NAME of” means “By7 the AUTHORITY of”. This is what happens when you turn your back on His Church and wander through His Word as a Lone Ranger.
Keep studying – you’ll get there . . .
On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 9:21 AM Tony Lemos <[email protected]> wrote:
"Jesus", correct?
 

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You crashed and burned again.
Do you always repeat yourself when you’ve bren proven wrong?

What’s the proper per name opf the FATHER?
What’s the proper per name of the HOLY SPIRIT?

Unless you can come up with their names – your argument goes right down the drain . .
 

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You crashed and burned again.
Do you always repeat yourself when you’ve bren proven wrong?

What’s the proper per name opf the FATHER?
What’s the proper per name of the HOLY SPIRIT?

Unless you can come up with their names – your argument goes right down the drain . .
The proper name of all 3 is Jesus....

 

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Can you show me a SINGLE verse of Scripture that says this?

Show me where the Bible names the Father, “Jesus”.

Chapter and Verse,
please . . .
 

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Can you show me a SINGLE verse of Scripture that says this?

Show me where the Bible names the Father, “Jesus”.

Chapter and Verse,
please . . .
Watch the video and it will be easily explained with verses....

 

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What heretic's call "easy believism" is the devil's invention.

Understand.....its the devil who is the author of self righteousness and self saving theology, or "a false gospel".
Its the devil who blinds the mind and creates an alternative to Grace = as "logical".

Heretics read the bible with their "natural mind", and that is why they can't discern anything spiritual about it.
The issue with this type of mind blinded thinking is that the Spiritual, is not logic based.. its Faith based and its hope based and it GRACE Based.
God's word is LIGHT, and you have to be able to Discern the LIGHT to understand the verse in a Holy Bible.
Christian Heretics cannot do this, which is the end result of becoming DECEIVED.

What is the evidence of heresy?
Well there are many.
For example, praying to a person, such as Mary.
Thinking that water saves you.
Believing that you have indwelling sin instead of indwelling Christ, as it can't be both.
Listen... Can you be the BORN AGAIN "temple of the Holy Spirit" where GOD LIVES, and Sin be found there?

A.) No.

The #1 heresy taught on Forums is. "you can lose your salvation".
So, if you are dealing with this deceived person who is telling you this, you are dealing with a person who has no understanding of the Blood of Jesus, or The Cross of Christ.
NONE.
And that is why they never talk about those, but only talk about commandments or, Hebrews 10, or "dead faith" or "enduring", and most of all...they screech that you can lose your salvation.


JUDE
teaches something that every believer has to comprehend so that they are not deceived by a Legalist....( a self saver)....A Heretic.
Its this..
JUDE teaches, that the devil's deceived teach that the Grace of God, is "license to sin".
Jude and Paul say that the evil one has cleverly used man's self righteousness against their own understanding of how the Grace of God operates as a FREE GIFT.
Simply put, the devil's theology switches God's Grace into the idea of license to sin, by convincing believers that God's SALVATION, if taught correctly as a GIFT, is...>"license to sin".
Think on that .

The Devil Led HERETIC, reads that God was in Christ in the WORLD, not counting your sin against you, ever again, IF YOU WILL BELIEVE.

2 Corinthians 5:19

And the Devil led Heretic flips out and rants...>"if you teach that you are teaching license to Sin".
This is what they told Paul, and this is what they will tell you, if you teach Grace as "the GIFT of Salvation" that you cant earn, and you can't lose.

You'll find the devil's deceived ranting that the Gift of God, when taught correctly AS ''the GIFT of Righteousness"", is...>"cheap grace" ."easy believism", and "License".
Its what they do on every FORUM and from thousands of pulpits.
Why? Its because they are deeply deceived within their own self righteousness and can no longer SEE the Grace of God as Freely Given..
They read that "God who began Salvation in the born again, will HIMSELF be faithful to Complete it".......and they say...>"oh no, you have to do this, and hold unto this, as Salvation is ON YOU to keep and not LOSE".

These LEGALISTS are so faith and mentally subverted within themselves that when they hear the True Gospel, and are confronted with the Truth of Amazing GRACE...they will stand up and deny it.
You find these carnal heretics as Preachers, as Teachers, and Church and Forum Members.
These people are ultra offensive to the Cross of Christ, and they ruin all Christian Forums.

Lets look now at Romans 10.

Here is the Legalist. = ""For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness" = The Devil's Gospel.
They exist within the mind of the flesh and are "fallen from Grace".
What they teach is : Galatians 1:8

So, you find these types shouting about the Commandments and preaching their SELF EFFORT to stay saved theology, you have to recognize these deceivers, as they will ruin your faith In Christ IF you start listening to them and find agreement.
The Devil has deceived them, and He will us them to do the same to you if you do not discern these deceived people.
Its their Ministry.

Now lets look at how we have and why we have PEACE with God....

WE start here....Hebrews 10:14. : """ For by one offering God hath perfected FOREVER them (born again) that ARE= sanctified""
Notice the duration of the perfected...= Its """FOREVER"".
The '"PERFECTED" is the born again Christian's SPIRIT, that is "in Christ", "one with God".
This is the real you. Not your body, your behavior, or your mind.,, if you are born again and NOT just water baptized and religious.
And notice the sanctification is finished....."them that ARE".... its not, them that will be, or can be, or may be.....its "ARE"..= finished. "ARE" as in completed".
= Born again, Made Righteous, Having received "the GIFT of Righteousness and the GIFT of Salvation".

Listen..

The born again ARE become "the righteousness of God, in Christ".
That is all the born again.
The BORN AGAIN.... are complete IN CHRIST< Made Righteous, and this can never change as the "New Birth", cannot be changed, cannot be ended.
You can't stop being born again.
You can't stop being a Son/Daughter of God.
You can't stop being "the temple of the Holy Spirit".
You can't stop being "IN Christ"
You can't stop Jesus when He told the born again, "i will NEVER Leave you", and its because He is IN all the born again, that the born again remain "one with God"..... SAVED....and will "NEVER PERISH"< Jesus told you.

And here is the PEACE.... Romans 5:1.... """being Justified....we HAVE Peace WITH GOD"".

And this Peace is the Grace of God, that is the "gift of Righteousness" that Legalist's try to teach is a : "license to sin".

Listen.,
When Real Faith in Christ to keep you saved... has been destroyed, and now you are trying to stay saved, you have been SUBVERTED from "real faith'" in Christ.
You've been deceived.
And that is what these carnal devil's are trying to do to you on Forums and from Pulpits, worldwide.
A legalist, a heretic, a dark light.... would have you trying to earn and keep this peace with God by lifestyle, self effort, works, and commandment keeping, which denies and contradicts God's Grace = which is a FREE GIFT that is given and received, and not earned or kept, which is the reason GOD is always kept in perfect peace with the Born Again.

Philippians 1:6. = God is faithful to complete your Salvation.

Believe it.
For those who remain in the Vine, yes. Because Jesus has bought our salvation and nothing can be added to His work.

But Adam was permitted to eat of the tree of life and though he had heard God say directly to him, ".. you will surely (most definitely) die", he chose the word which said, "you will not surely die", knowing what that contradiction implied about God's Word.

So Adam lost the right to the tree of Life.

God has not turned any born again believer - who is in Christ through faith in Christ - into a robot who cannot choose evil after he has "tasted the good Word of God and the powers of the world to come", any more than He turned Adam into a robot before Adam sinned:

Hebrews 6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the good Word of God and the powers of the world to come,
6 and who have fallen away; it is impossible, I say, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify the Son of God afresh to themselves and put Him to an open shame."

Romans 11
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, fear lest He also may not spare you either!
22 Behold then the kindness, and the severity of God; on those having fallen, severity; but on you, kindness, if you continue in the kindness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

Your OSAS is only possible if Adam was a robot, and we are all robots. We can choose to remain in the Vine but because we are not robots we can choose to leave the Vine and believe another Word.

After Adam's fall, God promised the last Adam, the Son of man, who would take all Adam's and the sons and daughters of Adam's sins upon Himself, die and rise again. He IS the resurrection and the Life and our resurrection is with HIS resurrection.

Adam's death was the first death, and it came upon all men. But there will be no 2nd sacrifice for sins and no 2nd resurrection from the 2nd death.
 
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Watch the video and it will be easily explained with verses....

I’m not going to sit here and watch a video - when YOU should be able to explain it.

If you’re going to argue a point in a debate – then YOU should be prepared to explain your position.

If YOU can't show me where the FATHER and the HOLY SPIRIT are called "Jesus" - ANYWHERE in the Bible - then you LOSE the argument.
 

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; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Notice your verse..

"but he (they, all), that BELIEVETH NOT....= shall be DAMNED.

Did you notice that DAMNATION .......is not related to water baptism?
its only related to BELIEVING or not.
Why?
Because water can't save you, and unbelief damns you.

John 3:36
 

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I’m not going to sit here and watch a video - when YOU should be able to explain it.

If you’re going to argue a point in a debate – then YOU should be prepared to explain your position.

If YOU can't show me where the FATHER and the HOLY SPIRIT are called "Jesus" - ANYWHERE in the Bible - then you LOSE the argument.
It is only 8 minutes long.

I am teaching it and cover the verses.

Stay ignorant.
 

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Notice your verse..

"but he (they, all), that BELIEVETH NOT....= shall be DAMNED.

Did you notice that DAMNATION .......is not related to water baptism?
its only related to BELIEVING or not.
Why?
Because water can't save you, and unbelief damns you.

John 3:36
Are you saying Jesus is so stupid as to say unbelievers will get baptized?
 

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I was baptized in the name(singular name) of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost(titles of the particular name).

It is the Roman Catholic that cannot figure out what that particular name is.

They think the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost is Father, Son and Holy Ghost....LOL.

They need English tutors.
In the eyes of the Catholic Church, your baptism is VALID, as is most Protestant baptisms, and you have no idea why.
Unfortunately for you, most Christians, Protestant, Catholic and Orthodox, reject your Modalism, a heresy expressed in your video.

In the context of Acts 2, the phrase “in the name of Jesus Christ” was not a liturgical formula, but a way of distinguishing Christian baptism from the baptism of John the Baptist (cf. Acts 19:1-5). Matthew 28:19 shows that awareness and acceptance of the Holy Trinity is also necessary. Hence, in context, Peter mentions the Holy Spirit: “Repent, and be baptized . . . and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” God the Father is included in the next verse as well: “For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him.”

You refuse to bend from your abuse of Acts 2:38.

Moreover, fairly explicit trinitarianism is present in Acts 2:32-33, in the same sermon on the Day of Pentecost:
This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this which you see and hear.

This is explicit trinitarianism that you seem to reject.

The passage in Acts 2:38 is not intended as a formula and doesn’t record an actual baptism or the words spoken during it (because Peter is commanding baptism for all Christians, not actually performing it). In any event, to use the phrase “baptized in Jesus’ name” (in a non-formulaic way) does not theologically contradict the trinitarian baptismal formula.

The baptismal formula adopted by the Church in its rite and sacrament of baptism from the beginning is the one recorded in Matthew 28:19. We see this in the Didache, a very important apostolic writing, dated as early as 60-70 A.D., which places it earlier than even some biblical books. In this work we find the following passage (7:1):
read the rest here

There isn't a shred of evidence the early church baptized in Jesus' name only. I watched your video. You are forced to re-write early church history to make it fit your Modalist heresy.

Baptismal Formula: Trinitarian or in Jesus’ Name Only?

 
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In the eyes of the Catholic Church, your baptism is VALID, as is most Protestant baptisms, and you have no idea why.
Unfortunately for you, most Christians, Protestant, Catholic and Orthodox, reject your Modalism, a heresy expressed in your video.

In the context of Acts 2, the phrase “in the name of Jesus Christ” was not a liturgical formula, but a way of distinguishing Christian baptism from the baptism of John the Baptist (cf. Acts 19:1-5). Matthew 28:19 shows that awareness and acceptance of the Holy Trinity is also necessary. Hence, in context, Peter mentions the Holy Spirit: “Repent, and be baptized . . . and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” God the Father is included in the next verse as well: “For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him.”

You refuse to bend from your abuse of Acts 2:38.

Moreover, fairly explicit trinitarianism is present in Acts 2:32-33, in the same sermon on the Day of Pentecost:
This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this which you see and hear.

This is explicit trinitarianism that you seem to reject.

The passage in Acts 2:38 is not intended as a formula and doesn’t record an actual baptism or the words spoken during it (because Peter is commanding baptism for all Christians, not actually performing it). In any event, to use the phrase “baptized in Jesus’ name” (in a non-formulaic way) does not theologically contradict the trinitarian baptismal formula.

The baptismal formula adopted by the Church in its rite and sacrament of baptism from the beginning is the one recorded in Matthew 28:19. We see this in the Didache, a very important apostolic writing, dated as early as 60-70 A.D., which places it earlier than even some biblical books. In this work we find the following passage (7:1):
read the rest here

There isn't a shred of evidence the early church baptized in Jesus' name only. I watched your video. You are forced to re-write early church history to make it fit your Modalist heresy.

Baptismal Formula: Trinitarian or in Jesus’ Name Only?

How did I teach modalism in my video?

Acts 2:38 is modalism?

Are folks that inherit their parent's name secular modalists now?

Also, Acts 2:38 is a command and not a formula.

Those that refuse Acts 2:38 call it a formula, because their teachings are entirely formulas(not sola scriptura).
 

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How did I teach modalism in my video?

Acts 2:38 is modalism?

Are folks that inherit their parent's name secular modalists now?

Also, Acts 2:38 is a command and not a formula.

Those that refuse Acts 2:38 call it a formula, because their teachings are entirely formulas(not sola scriptura).

If you teach that God takes on different forms and is NOT a Trinity, manifested in THREE distinct Persons – then, YES, you preach the heresy of Modalism.

And those who preach against “formulas” instituted by Christ (Matt. 20:19) - yet adhere to the MAN-MADE formula of Sola Scriptura - are hypocrites . . .
 

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If you teach that God takes on different forms and is NOT a Trinity, manifested in THREE distinct Persons – then, YES, you preach the heresy of Modalism.

And those who preach against “formulas” instituted by Christ (Matt. 20:19) - yet adhere to the MAN-MADE formula of Sola Scriptura - are hypocrites . . .
I do not teach that God takes on different forms.

I teach that God is inside His human son.

That is the original Godhead teaching of the Apostles.
 

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I do not teach that God takes on different forms.

I teach that God is inside His human son.

That is the original Godhead teaching of the Apostles.
Do you believe that The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are ONE Being manifested in THREE distinct Persons?
That
is the ONLY Apostolic teaching on the Godhead,

If not - you reject the Triune Godhead of Scripture and have invented a different god for yourself.

The Father is God
Eph. 4:6, Psalm 68:5, Mal. 2:10, 2 Cor. 1:3-4, John 3:16, John 8:41, 1 Thess. 3:13

The Son is God
Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9:6, Matt. 4:7, John 1:1, John 1:3, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 14:9, John 20:28, 2 Corinthians 4:4, Phil. 2:6, Col. 2:9, 1 Tim. 3:16, Heb. 1:8, Titus 2:13

The Holy Spirit is God
John 14:16-18, Luke 12:10, 2 Cor. 3:17, 2 Cor. 13:5, John 14:23, Acts 5:3-4

The Father and the Son send the Counselor, the Holy Spirit
Isaiah 9:6

The Counselor is Mighty God
John 14:16,26; 15:26; 16:7
 

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Do you believe that The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are ONE Being manifested in THREE distinct Persons?
That
is the ONLY Apostolic teaching on the Godhead,

If not - you reject the Triune Godhead of Scripture and have invented a different god for yourself.

The Father is God
Eph. 4:6, Psalm 68:5, Mal. 2:10, 2 Cor. 1:3-4, John 3:16, John 8:41, 1 Thess. 3:13

The Son is God
Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9:6, Matt. 4:7, John 1:1, John 1:3, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 14:9, John 20:28, 2 Corinthians 4:4, Phil. 2:6, Col. 2:9, 1 Tim. 3:16, Heb. 1:8, Titus 2:13

The Holy Spirit is God
John 14:16-18, Luke 12:10, 2 Cor. 3:17, 2 Cor. 13:5, John 14:23, Acts 5:3-4

The Father and the Son send the Counselor, the Holy Spirit
Isaiah 9:6

The Counselor is Mighty God
John 14:16,26; 15:26; 16:7
2 Cor 5:19(Paul) said that God was inside Christ.

The RCC says that the 3 persons were inside the fake body of the 2nd person.


I trust Paul, not the RCC.