The Divine Exchange

[theefaith]

No, just Jesus. He is our only mediator between us and the Father.

Christ is the only mediator of justice who obtained eternal redemption but he shares his mission ministry power and authority with his priests the apostles

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles!
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

The pillar and foundation of TRUTH!
1 Tim 3:15

The TWO EDGE SWORD!
To proclaim the truth! Matt 28:19
To condemn error! 1 cor 16:22

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42
1 Tim 3:15

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Yet, every sin you committed, you did it willfully after you were saved.

That is what you don't understand about the power of the Cross.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

how you call him “high” priest?
What is he high over?

the old covenant example had a high priest in authority over the low “Levite” priests

Read the name of the Book, silly. Who is it to...?

 

[theefaith]

Read the name of the Book, silly. Who is it to...?

what? Are you kidding?

the book of James is only for people named James???

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Even one word of God is still the eternal word of God!

 

[theefaith]

Read the name of the Book, silly. Who is it to...?

Christ is savior church of all men!
Lk 1:10 Jn 1:29 3:16

 

[Behold]

What does "work out you own salvation with fear and trembling" mean.

Salvation is a GIFT.

"the GIFT of Salvation"..........Is that not EASY?
God GIVES IT TO YOU< when you are a SINNER, and you TRUST CHRIST.

Its a GIFT, you dont earn it, you RECEIVE IT....


And the verse says to work it out.
Its does not say to WORK TO TRY TO GET IT.....or to try to keep it.
See that?

You work out, what you HAVE........been GIVEN, as "the GIFT of Salvation".

You HAVE, the "gift of Salvation"...... you have it. God gave it to you, if you trusted in Christ and were born again.
Born again, being born again, PROVES you have the "gift of Salvation".

How do you "work out" what you have been given as the GIFT.... of Salvation. ?

You work it out by learning how to understand who you have become, as a New Creation in Christ.
That's how.
By coming into the renewed mind.....that understands who you have become as this...

= "As Jesus IS........so are the born again, in this WORLD".

Growing IN Grace. Is not to try to be good.

"IN" Grace... = the born again are IN there....we are IN Christ....
So, we have to learn how to understand where we now exist, IN...... this....>"One with God".
= "MADE righteousness"...having become.. "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

Getting that understanding, that revelation, is how you "work out your Salvation".

 

[theefaith]

Salvation is a GIFT.

"the GIFT of Salvation"..........Is that not EASY?
God GIVES IT TO YOU< when you are a SINNER, and you TRUST CHRIST.

Its a GIFT, you dont earn it, you RECEIVE IT....


And the verse says to work it out.
Its does not say to WORK TO TRY TO GET IT.....or to try to keep it.
See that?

You work out, what you HAVE........been GIVEN, as "the GIFT of Salvation".

You HAVE, the "gift of Salvation"...... you have it. God gave it to you, if you trusted in Christ and were born again.
Born again, being born again, PROVES you have the "gift of Salvation".

How do you "work out" what you have been given as the GIFT.... of Salvation. ?

You work it out by learning how to understand who you have become, as a New Creation in Christ.
That's how.
By coming into the renewed mind.....that understands who you have become as this...

= "As Jesus IS........so are the born again, in this WORLD".

Growing IN Grace. Is not to try to be good.

"IN" Grace... = the born again are IN there....we are IN Christ....
So, we have to learn how to understand where we now exist, IN...... this....>"One with God".
= "MADE righteousness"...having become.. "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

Getting that understanding, that revelation, is how you "work out your Salvation".

what about a priest and propitiatory sacrifice of Christ, sacraments, prayer, virtues, fasting, alms all done in grace united to Christ???

 

[Behold]

what about a priest and propitiatory sacrifice of Christ, sacraments, prayer, virtues, fasting, alms all done in grace united to Christ???

Just think of it like this.....
You are alone on this earth.
Just you down here by yourself.


Now...>How does GOD get you into heaven?

What has God provided for you, to get you into heaven?
Just you.....down here alone.

Here is your answer.

John 14:6


TRUST IN HIM !
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[Behold]

That is what you don't understand about the power of the Cross.

Oh, i understand it.
I preach the Cross.
That is why i dont contradict the Power of The Cross by denying that Jesus keeps you saved.

You deny it the Power of the Cross of Christ, when you tell people that they can lose their Salvation.
How many times do you think you have told them that, in your life?
That is a lot of Cross denying.

I would never tell anyone that, as i understand perfectly the POWER OF THE CROSS OF CHRIST as our Eternal Security.

 

[theefaith]

Just think of it like this.....
You are alone on this earth.
Just you down here by yourself.


Now...>How does GOD get you into heaven?

What has God provided for you, to get you into heaven?
Just you.....down here alone.


Here is your answer.

John 14:6


TRUST IN HIM !
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not possible we must be ministered into the kingdom by the priest and sacraments

You cannot enter on you’re own or by faith alone!

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Heb 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

 

[Behold]

not possible we must be ministered into the kingdom

If they died on the cross for you, then let them minister to you.

However, If Christ died on the Cross for you, then HE is your High Priest, and He is the only way to heaven.

 

[theefaith]

If they died on the cross for you, then let them minister to you.

However, If Christ died on the Cross for you, then HE is your High Priest, and He is the only way to heaven.

in baptism we died with Christ

how does Paul have the ministry of reconciliation???

2 Corinthians 5:18
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

or the apostles the ability to forgive sins Jn 20:23

or the apostles are our spiritual fathers

Spiritual Fathers have care for our souls!

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Jn 21:17 feed my sheep:

Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they care for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

1 Tim 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you

1 John 2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.

That makes Paul and John spiritual fathers, pastors of our souls!

Obedience of the faithful Christians or spiritual anarchy of the heretical fundamentalists!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

what? Are you kidding?

the book of James is only for people named James???

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Even one word of God is still the eternal word of God!

No, silly. The book about Christ's High Priesthood is Hebrews. The Old Covenant had Levi priests. Jesus was made a High Priest after the order of Melchizedek, not Levi. Why do you think? Do you know? Those kinds of priests you are thinking of were only in the Levitical priesthood, however we are in a New Covenant. Now in this covenant, Jesus is the High Priest but YOU AND I are the lower priests as you put it. All who have Christ inside of them make up a royal priesthood. Doesn't that just blow your mind? I'm glad you are on these forums because there is so much more you need to learn.

1 Peter 2:

Therefore, laying aside all malice, all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil speaking, 2 as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby, 3 if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is gracious.

4 Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, 5 you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture,

“Behold, I lay in Zion
A chief cornerstone, elect, precious,
And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.”

9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Salvation is a GIFT.

"the GIFT of Salvation"..........Is that not EASY?
God GIVES IT TO YOU< when you are a SINNER, and you TRUST CHRIST.

Its a GIFT, you dont earn it, you RECEIVE IT....


And the verse says to work it out.
Its does not say to WORK TO TRY TO GET IT.....or to try to keep it.
See that?

You work out, what you HAVE........been GIVEN, as "the GIFT of Salvation".

You HAVE, the "gift of Salvation"...... you have it. God gave it to you, if you trusted in Christ and were born again.
Born again, being born again, PROVES you have the "gift of Salvation".

How do you "work out" what you have been given as the GIFT.... of Salvation. ?

You work it out by learning how to understand who you have become, as a New Creation in Christ.
That's how.
By coming into the renewed mind.....that understands who you have become as this...

= "As Jesus IS........so are the born again, in this WORLD".

Growing IN Grace. Is not to try to be good.

"IN" Grace... = the born again are IN there....we are IN Christ....
So, we have to learn how to understand where we now exist, IN...... this....>"One with God".
= "MADE righteousness"...having become.. "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

Getting that understanding, that revelation, is how you "work out your Salvation".

God GIVES IT TO YOU< when you are a SINNER, and you TRUST CHRIST.

What you don't understand is that when we repent and become born again, Jesus does NOT leave us sinners. 1 John 3:5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

So how can Christ be your savior, but of nothing more than condemnation. That is why the longer version of Romans 8:1 is far better and doesn't create a false doctrine that you breathed into yourself.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Oh, i understand it.
I preach the Cross.
That is why i dont contradict the Power of The Cross by denying that Jesus keeps you saved.

You deny it the Power of the Cross of Christ, when you tell people that they can lose their Salvation.
How many times do you think you have told them that, in your life?
That is a lot of Cross denying.

I would never tell anyone that, as i understand perfectly the POWER OF THE CROSS OF CHRIST as our Eternal Security.

I preach the scriptural version of what the Cross did for us - you don't even know it. Let's try again.

Romans 6:6
6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.

Romans 6:22
22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.

Sinners do not have eternal life. They are slaves of sin.

Hebrews 12:14 Withing HOLINESS no man shall see God.

 

[Behold]

What you don't understand is that when we repent and become born again, Jesus does NOT leave us sinners.

Ive written at least 10 Threads that detail that "being ONE WITH GOD".....is the born again Spirit, and there is no Sin found there.
And IN THERE, is where the Born again Spirit, exists, eternally secure.

The born again have received the Righteousness of God, and Jesus has become their SIN.

The born again are "made righteous" the very instant they are born again, and they do not have to work for this, or try to keep it.
It is a eternal redemption, supplied by God, as "the Gift of Salvation"

 

[Behold]

I preach the scriptural version of what the Cross did for us - you don't even know it. Let's try again.

R

You preach Cross rejecting Heresy.

You dent that Christ the Savior, keeps you saved.
So, then WHO DOES?

A.) Your Self righteousness., according to your theology.

The BLood Atonement, is what God has applied to the born again, and this is their Redemption.

 

[Behold]

Sinners do not have eternal life. They are slaves of sin.

No one is a "sinner" who is : "not under the law, but under Grace"

No one is a "sinner" who is "In Christ". "seated in Heavenly Places".

Thats all the born again.
The born again are not sinners.
""They are Saints
Heirs of God
Joint Heirs with Jesus.
Made Righteous
Having Eternal life.""

The born again, are "the temple of the Holy Spirit."


SINNERS, are Christ rejectors, having never been born again. John 3:36

 

[Behold]

Hebrews 12:14 Withing HOLINESS no man shall see God.

And that Holiness isnt something you can do.
Your deeds, are the same, before you are saved, and after you are saved.
"filthy rags"

What changes by being REDEEMED is that your sin is forgiven, the SPIRIT is Born again, and God has Gifted the born again with "Christ's Righteousness".

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The born again are "made righteous" the very instant they are born again, and they do not have to work for this, or try to keep it.
It is a eternal redemption, supplied by God, as "the Gift of Salvation"

I agreed until this. You have to use scripture and stay grounded in the Word.

1 John 5:18
18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.

Behold, you can't keep on contradicting God's Word!