So your Isaiah scriptures do not seem to help us see that Jesus was the offspring of himself. It only show that he will do things himself. It is in fact only he is capable of doing the atonement and he alone will avenge the righteous. But I do not see it saying that he alone was his own father.
Give me some other scriptures that would make that much more plain to me. Thank you.
thanks for the reply, sure, if you missed the Isaiah 63:5 , by understanding Isaiah 53, well then just read, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.
I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
here, he, the Lord Jesus, is before, Root/Father/Spirit, David, and after David, Offspring/Son/spirit, in position and order of time. Rev 22:16 states, "Offspring", which is the Greek word,
G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man),
diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096
see how the kjv can translate that word offspring....
diversity. which is clearly described in the Hebrew word, G243 allos, indicating "ANOTHER" of one's own self, (as in Isaiah 63:5, MY OWN ARM), listen, using the, Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, G243, Allos expresses
a numerical difference and
denotes another of the same sort. the numerical difference is in the ordinal order. the Ordinal First, the ROOT, is the LORD, supportive scripture, Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel:
The LORD our God is
one LORD:" and the term ONE here is the hebrew word,
H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258
Definition #2, the ordinal First. ok, hold that, the ordinal First is the "LORD"/Father, the ROOT, and the Last in ordinal position is, the "Lord"/Son, the OFFSPRING, that which was to come. 1 Corinthians 15:45 "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul;
the last Adam was made a quickening spirit."
here, the term Last is,
G2078 ἔσχατος eschatos (es'-cha-tos) adj.
farthest, final (of place or time).
[a superlative probably from G2192 (in the sense of contiguity)]
KJV: ends of, l
ast, latter end, lowest, uttermost
see that,
(of place or time). now watch the Last in plase and time, of the Son... John 1:1 "In
the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and
the Word was God." what do the word "beginning" indicate? answer,
G746 ἀρχή arche (ar-chee') n.
1. (properly abstract) a commencement.
2. (concretely) chief (in various applications of order, time, place, or rank).
[from G756]
KJV: beginning, corner, (at the, the) first (estate), magistrate, power, principality, principle, rule
Notice definition #2.
(concretely), God is a Spirit, which is abstract, and the Lord Jesus is in flesh...
(concretely), how? as definition #2 states, in order, time, place, or rank, and that order in time is LAST, scripture, 1 Peter 1:20 "Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world,
but was manifest in these last times for you," so Christ was Manifested/Concrete, in flesh. ok, how, and who is he? answer, 1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
so the Concrete manifestation of God is in the one person JESUS the Christ. and to close the door on any three person, scripture, 1 Timothy 6:15 "Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;"1 Timothy 6:16 "
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."
so if Jesus the Christ is the ONLY one with "IMMORTALITY", (which he do), that slams the door on any separate and distinct persons of any other two whom many call Father, or Holy Spirit, as, as, as, separates persons. for the term "ONLY", means, and no one or nothing more besides; solely or exclusively. well that eliminates any one else who might be in the Godhead. and the term "IMMORTALITY", means, the ability to live forever;
eternal life. and if he's the ONLY one who have it, then no one else have it, meaning not any other persons in the Godhead, which only eliminates.
now assessing that information of SCRIPTURES for consumption, now one have to explain how JESUS, God is a plurality of one, when any other person(s) are eliminated? answer, just what G234, Allos/Another states, Allos expresses
a numerical difference and
denotes another of the same sort;
there is the plurality of God in ANOTHER, a Numerical Difference. and this Numerical Difference comes in the form of JESUS being the ordinal "First", and the Ordinal "Last", better known as the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, the Alpha, and the Omega, and get this, the ROOT/First/Father, and the OFFSPRING/Last/Son. there is the
numerical difference but G243 Allos/Another also say the "SAME SORT", or the same PERSON. and the only way God is an ANOTHER, or, the numerical difference of himself is in "SHARING" of his ownself in Flesh. again, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" being is current or at present. and the form of God is Spirit, but the Lord Jesus is concrete. and the root word of Form is
G3313 μέρος meros (me'-ros) n.
1.
a portion
a potion?, God is A Spirit, and another word for potion is "SHARE". this is how the Lord Jesus is "EQUAL
WITH" God. just as John 1:! states, the Word was God. why? because the word was, was, "
WITH" God. meaning the SAME Sort, as G243 allos states, or the same person. lets prove it out.
now knowing this about "with", Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and
with the last; I am he." lets breakdown this scripture. "I" is how many persons? one, I the LORD, the first, the ordinal First according to Deuteronomy 6:4, the LORD, all caps is the First, and the First is "
WITH" the Last... correct, and the Last is the Ordinal Last the Lord, the Son the LAST ADAM, per 1 Corinthians 15:45. so is the First/LORD/Father, a separate and distinct person from the Last/Lord/Son? for the Son was "with" the Father, let the bible speak the answer.
Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called;
I am he;
I am the first,
I also am
the last." BINGO, it's the same one person just as G243 allos/ANOTHER states, A.
a numerical difference Father/First, and Son/Last. B. the same Sort/ the same one person, "
I am he;
I am the first,
I also am
the last." now the bible is clear as day, the First is the Last, the same one Person.
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conclusion, JESUS is the one and only person in the Godhead who is God, the Holy Spirit. and by sharing himself in flesh, (which he manifested in), he holds both titles, Father/Spirit, and Son/spirit, small case "s" in spirit, in flesh. that's it, and it's all done by EQUALLY SHARING HIMSELF in flesh. scripture study, Phil 2:6, and Isaiah 63:5.
that's the Godhead in a nutshell.
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