Actually it's quite easy. Mk 16 He that believeth not shall be DAMNED! And that ain't good!
The Hell Doctrine - No doctrinal unity
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Brakelite
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True, it ain't good. And to what does scripture say they are damned to??
Romans 6:23.
Being damned because He doesn't believe means to be deprived of life. In other words, they die. No need to give them eternal life or immortality in order to substantiate a made up torment they lasts *forever".
You don't believe in eternal life?
Matthew 25
46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Brakelite
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KJV 1 Samuel 1:22
22 But Hannah went not up; for she said unto her husband, I will not go up until the child be weaned, and then I will bring him, that he may appear before the LORD, and there abide for ever.
KJV Jonah 2:6
6 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.
Isaiah 34:10 It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.
Grailhunter
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Grailhunter
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The neat thing is that you can have a personal reality, but out here in the real world the Bible proves a fiery eternal Hell and all of Christian history believes in a fiery eternal Hell.
Hell is done away with due to resuurection.
The new place is outside of the kingdom or inside.
Lake of fire as engulfed death, and hades, satan, beast and false prophet in revelation 20.
People have a part in the fire - but not forever.
We have a part of fire through baptism today, but not forever?
God is an all consuming Fire.
What does that mean though?
The new place is outside of the kingdom or inside.
Lake of fire as engulfed death, and hades, satan, beast and false prophet in revelation 20.
People have a part in the fire - but not forever.
We have a part of fire through baptism today, but not forever?
God is an all consuming Fire.
What does that mean though?
Brakelite
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From Jonah 2:6 αἰώνιος
Root word: αἰώνιος, ία, ιον
Strong Number: 166
Word Category: Adjective
Short Definition: agelong, eternal
Definition: age-long, and therefore: practically eternal, unending; partaking of the character of that which lasts for an age, as contrasted with that which is brief and fleeting.
Strong's Definition
From αἰών; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well) -- eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began).
Brakelite
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I'm saying that the word you translate as meaning eternal is to be understood contextually. Do you believe Jonah was under the water for eternity?
Brakelite
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Correct. It's about what the holy Spirit communicates... Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. You guys believe you have the correct understanding of hell... Obviously... But you fail dismally to understand who God is,, because your understanding of hell is at odds with the revealed nature in scripture regarding the character of God. What you fellas believe of God and His will regarding sinners, borders on blasphemy. I have long considered the doctrine of eternal torment to be the gravest insult to the character of God.
Grailhunter
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Dude it is not just us...It is Christ, the Apostles, the disciples of the Apostles, the early Christian writers, The Ecumenical Councils, the Coptic Church, The Catholic Church, the Greek Orthodox Church, Martin Luther and all of the Protestant Reform and today 99.999999999999% of Protestant denominations.
You are shot as a Christian have you ever considered converting to Judaism....they do not believe in Hell.
So you don't believe in eternal life. Or do you pick and choose the parts you like?
Brakelite
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So you refuse to answer my question. Did Jonah stay in the whale for ever?
Your question is evading the NT "eternal".
Matthew 25
46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Same Greek word!
Brakelite
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Who taught that sinners would die, and not live for ever. But will you actually read the scripture and believe it?
KJV Genesis 2:16-17
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
KJV Genesis 3:22-24
22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
Or will you continue to believe rather the words of Satan, and use his lie as the authority for your beliefs?
KJV Genesis 3:4
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
KJV Luke 24:25
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Brakelite
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Correct. Eternal punishment. Death. The wages of sin is death.
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. And death is eternal if there is no resurrection. And there is no resurrection from the second death or hope of any life for sinners.
There is no continual punishing. You are not listening to even wanting to understand the truth of scripture. You are way too determined to paint God in your own image and likeness.
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