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Vexatious

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Hi Vexatious. I don't think all present Israel is the nation that will be saved in the millennium, but I wouldn't doubt that God had His hand in many returning to the pleasant land. Rom 11:5 tells us that there is a remmant remaining.

There are no Jews in Israel. If there is, give me the name of one jewish priest. If there is, giving me the name of one person with a genealogy record back to Jacob. What does it take to open your eyes, if exposing the total bankruptcy of your position doesn't work?

Have you ever read Romans 11? It tells us that the Church is Israel (v17 and v25), yet you're looking at Antichrists (so-called Jews) as Israel. As a citizen of Israel, I can name my jewish priest and I can show you my genealogy record.

To me Dan 9:24 is satisfied in everything accomplished Jesus set out to do.
Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Seven blessings here, and yet some will say there is still sin, but it does not remain on those believing on Christ.

You know the 70 weeks expired in the first century. You know Jesus brought everlasting righteousness, for those who Believe. You just reject what you know is true.

I'm sorry I don't understand your question, but Israel has been blinded in part at this present time until the fulness of the Gentiles come in. (Rom 11:25, and the context of Romans chapter eleven is especially about Israel future.)

Paul said at the "present time" meaning explicitly and clearly his time, not the future. There are no Jews today, so there are no Jews to be blinded. There hasn't been any Jews since 70 AD, when the old covenant had fully passed away.

You did mention the sands of Israel glowing with nukes, and I really have no idea, but it is said that they will be an army of 200 million come against them (Rev 9:16), and they will kill a third of all mankind (Rev 9:16). That just gives Israel employment for the next seven months.

The Jews are destroyed in the tribulation described by Jesus. Jerusalem is made DESOLATE. And, in fact, this happened in 70 AD.

200 million men? Would these 200 million men be riding horses? Machines do our fighting today. Any real war against Israel will result in Israel being nuked into oblivion, or otherwise bombed from a distance. Wars require just a handful of men to push buttons, and that needed handful shrinks smaller as technology advances. Ground troops are used for little more than policing.

Revelation says nothing about a restored Israel of Jews. It calls Jerusalem "Sodom" and it calls Jews "the synagogue of Satan". The new Jerusalem isn't restored in the middle-east but is above, and it's the bride of Christ. Go ahead, read Revelation, for real.
 
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Reggie,
To refute what you have stated above, here is the verse:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air...

If God says this and you do not believe it, then that is UNBELIEF. I gave you the entire Scripture passages earlier, but if you wish to reject the Word of God, then you will remain in your delusion.
The ones that are living are in union with all in the Holy Spirit, and that's they who were as well in the holy Spirit before they died and we all meet the Lord in his Holy Spirit.

One has to understand because of the English translation of such, it misses the mark some what, as it's better that one has an understanding of Hebrew, the clouds here represent a Hebrew point of view and they are not talking about clouds or the Air as atheist know it.

I do believe it and I understand it totally.

Go talk to an atheist and see what they make out of such and you will see that the fools will interpret it as clouds and thin air, because such do not have the Holy Spirit, so such is just nonsense to them, then you get the water baptised or so called Christian who thinks that what is said is literal clouds and air. not to mention nowadays fools looking to so called Jews for Salvation, that's blasphemy, not to mention that such is a rejection of Jesus as Christ.

Jesus came and did all that he had to do and all we have to do is pick it up, regardless of anything be it the 2ed coming the result will be the same, you have to pick it up !
Anyone who looks forward to the 2ed coming is a fool, it's like one who was trying to create WW2 thinking that good is going to come out of it, no fact is that no good will come out of it. the people who created it will go to hell because they did the will of Satan.
The message of Jesus Christ is always the same from the beginning to the end, it's about abiding in him and every other thing you do is just like as to filthy rags.
All the people have to do is abide in him and the fact is that the 2ed coming is just that as to ones self, what would it gain me if Jesus were to come in the flesh, it's nothing !
But as to the 2ed coming when his Kingdom comes and all will know his Kingdom, most people will be dead and destruction will be every where in the end, that's what the deluded want Hellfire, I don't want Hellfire to come down on people, I just want people to come to the Lord Jesus. but I know that that will not happen because Satan has created great Delusions. so I see many so called Christens are being just like moths to the flames under great delusions, they are looking forward to destruction, so they help the So called Jew to kick it all off and you have WW3 anyone who takes part in the war will go to Hell.
I am on the other side of the fence and will abide in Jesus not mans madness, I reject Marxist Political Correctness, Socialism, Communism, for what they truly are a work of Satan that only undermines a Healthy Democracy and creates misery and enslavement of all under madness.

What will happen with following Satan's works is that Jesus is not going to come until the people wake up to themselves, so the end game is the same but the misery will be for nothing.
So when the 2ed coming comes they who are in the kingdom will look back and know the madness of mans works.

I am in the Kingdom of God as are all who are truly Born Again and it's like the 2ed coming because he has come to me and the 2ed coming that is at the end of this world is just the same for the people who will be Born Again, there is no difference to the person who is Born Again from after Jesus first came or the 2ed coming because one is in the Kingdom of God, the kingdom of God started when Jesus went to Heaven and the 2ed coming is when it comes into it's fullness all over the world because Satan's hold will be lost, people will see such for what it truly is in fact.
They will see it how I see it now, so why would I give the go ahead for the destruction that is to come, I will have no part in it, I will not support the Satanic Talmud Jews because they are of there Father the Devil as Jesus pointed that fact out.
 

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The pretrib rapture is a devilish lie that brings mockery to Christianity and causes Christians to sabotage our future.

When Jesus tells of the tribulation, he speaks to his disciples and describes what Christians will suffer, and what they need to do about it. No mention of a pretrib rapture. Go read Luke 21 without pretrib blinders. READ!

Read the context of "we which are alive...." and see it has nothing to do with escaping tribulation. Read it and see what it's about. READ!

"We which are alive" includes Paul himself. You know grammatically it does. Do you think Paul was raptured alive? If you've done your job and read the context, you know that this HOPE Paul speaks of applies to ALL Christians, contrary to what the devil tells us. "We who are alive" means those who haven't died yet, Paul's audience vs. " those who have fallen asleep." It doesn't mean anyone will be taken up alive.

If you've read the context, you'd also see that this is after the resurrection of the dead, which is after the millennium (see Rev 20), not something that will precede a tribulation. READ!

Every pastor who teaches a pretrib rapture will go to the place of eternal fire assigned to liars, unless they repent. All of the doctrines of modern Dispensationalism are lies out of the pit of Hell.
You are spot on correct in that, Dispensationalism and pretrib is mans madness a work of Satan leading all astray.
 
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Going off on a tangent does not work. We are talking about your actual righteousness, not the imputed righteousness of Christ. Are you sinlessly perfect 24/7?

Claiming that everlasting righteousness has already been established on earth means one of two things (1) spiritual dishonesty or (2) delusional fantasy.
Christ established everlasting righteousness on the cross for all who believe in him.
 

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Listen to Paul.
Learn to understand his Scriptures.
He does not lie nor does he want to create division in the church.
I hope you can grace us with your presence for more than a minute this time...welcome back :)