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Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by Zachary, Jan 6, 2020.

  1. Truther

    Truther Well-Known Member

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    I see, you come in the name of Jesus and let folks guess which name you come in.

    Kinda reminds me of the church of Christ silent baptism. They kinda figure words don’t matter since God reads their minds.

    This eliminates the name used in Acts 3 for healing the lame man. Maybe Peter just thought Jesus name and the Pharisees read his mind, huh?
     
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    Truther Well-Known Member

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    Even when he was a sperm cell mating with his mothers egg?
     
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    Truther Well-Known Member

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    Why did Peter, your first Pope, change it in Acts 2:38?
     
  4. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    Like I said – this verse shows that His sacrifice is ETERNAL and that God is OUTSIDE of time.

    Your understanding of Scriptural language is pathetic . . .
     
  5. Truther

    Truther Well-Known Member

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    You just made the case that the persons in your Godhead think individually.

    Three forms of consciousness in one being.

    Terrifying
     
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    Truther Well-Known Member

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    No Rev 13:8 calls him the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

    You say “nay”.

    Not cool
     
  7. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    The Son was ALWAYS God (John 1:1).

    Why is that such a difficult concept for you??
     
  8. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    Your Scriptural illiteracy is sad.

    Ot's no WONDER you're so confused . . .
     
  9. Ezra

    Ezra Well-Known Member

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    ask me a sensible question next time
     
  10. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    STUDY your Bible - don't just read it.

    Now, explain Matt.24:36 . . .
     
  11. Truther

    Truther Well-Known Member

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    You are too literate.
    So literate that you don’t even believe the verse.
    Sad
     
  12. Truther

    Truther Well-Known Member

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    When did his microscopic humanity become official?
     
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    Truther Well-Known Member

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    Did you know repentance is a work?
     
  14. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    He didn't.
    YOU simply don't get what he meant . . .

    Keep studying - you'll get there . . .
     
  15. Truther

    Truther Well-Known Member

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    Easy, Jesus was a man and his God had the knowledge he learned.
    I hope you don’t think one God was smarter than the other???
     
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    Only the Bible is God's Word, being the inspired Word of God. Other writings are helpful, but they are not the Bible.

    If we look at every scripture whereby an actual baptism is taking place, we will see the preponderance of scriptural evidence show full immersion into the water and having the name of Jesus pronounced over them (with some variation of the Lord Jesus).

    Note: Matthew 28:19 is not an actual baptism taking place, and a word/phrase search reveals that is the only place in all the Bible whereby the phrase "the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" is found. WHY? ...

    The following are three different accounts of the very same subject matter, which further shows us that the ONE ETERNAL Spirit functions as Father, Son AND Holy Ghost...


    Matthew 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
    [18] And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
    [19] But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
    [20] For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

    Mark 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
    [10] And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
    [11] But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

    Luke 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
    [13] And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
    [14] Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
    [15] For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.


    God Bless!
     
  17. Truther

    Truther Well-Known Member

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    I get what Jesus said and in turn what Peter knew Jesus meant.
    You don’t get what Peter knew Jesus meant.
    Think a little harder
     
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    I don't believe this...and I am a Trinitarian. Look deeper...

    We are not saved by works/obedience. We are saved by an attitude of faith which is an inclination towards obedience.

    If Peter was obedient....why did he baptize in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins instead of Jesus' prescribed formula in Matthew 28:19?


    These two quotes make me think of some verses in Matthew 7...

    Mat 7:15, Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
    Mat 7:16, Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
    Mat 7:17, Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
    Mat 7:18, A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
    Mat 7:19, Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
    Mat 7:20, Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.


    I would tend to disagree with that statement; since repentance is unto salvation; and salvation is "not of works, lest any man should boast." (Ephesians 2:8-9)
     
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  19. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    Jesus is also God

    Now, explain the Verse. . .
     
  20. BreadOfLife

    BreadOfLife Well-Known Member

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    Show me ONE example in the NT of a detailed Baptim.

    You can't find one because it DOESN'T exist.
     
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