The Power to : Live it.

[Behold]

Reader,

Most believers and nearly all religious but lost, are stuck in Romans 7. and Hebrews 6:1

Stuck Right here.."That which i would do i cant, and that which i hate, that i do"., as they confess sin, and have no spiritual power.

That was Paul's struggle with "self righteousness"., Romans 7.... and that is when Paul learned that "the power of sin is the Law" and the Law is the power of Sin..
And then in Philippians 3, which is more of the same teaching, different Letter....>Paul says..>"i was blameless in the Law".

And He goes on to explain, that as compared to receiving and existing in the Knowledge of God's Grace... all our trying to do, and trying to become....all the performance of self righteousness is : "DUNG".... when compared to....."i only want to know CHRIST and Him Crucified."

As once that becomes the Believers walk of Faith, as It became Paul's LIFE.... then they have learned that "its by my Spirit sayeth the Lord" and not by you trying to do it, or strive against it.

Jesus teaches it this way....."when you are in me, and im in you, and you try to DO Christianity, then you become this......

= "apart from me you can do NOTHING"...

And that is a believer, trying to DO instead of existing in : to BE... already.

See that reader?

Christianity is : 'God doing it Through you", His Will, His Power, His Grace...and Paul teaches this as : "I can do all things Through CHRIST, which Strengthens me"..

Paul talks about "dying to gain".. and "I am crucified with Christ" and """" Its not I who live, but CHRIST who lives in me," = HIS LIFE through me.

So, that is not trying to DO.. Christianity, or work at it, or similar..... that is resting in Gods Grace as "CHRIST always gives me the VICTORY"... as Paul teaches.

 

[Prycejosh1987]

I believe spiritual power comes with persistence and the desire to grow and develop the mind of Jesus within.

 

[Behold]

I believe spiritual power comes with persistence and the desire to grow and develop the mind of Jesus within.

That is you trying to do it.

Christianity is Christ doing it through you.

And if you want to develop the "renewed mind" then you Study Paul's Epistles, or you find a teacher who just told you that, as they can show you how.

 

[Nancy]

That is you trying to do it.

Christianity is Christ doing it through you.

And if you want to develop the "renewed mind" then you Study Paul's Epistles, or you find a teacher who just told you that, as they can show you how.

Prycejosh1987 said:
"I believe spiritual power comes with persistence and the desire to grow and develop the mind of Jesus within." (Bolded is mine)
BTW Welcome here :)



@Behold said:
"That is you trying to do it.

"And if you want to develop the "renewed mind" then you Study Paul's Epistles, or you find a teacher who just told you that, as they can show you how."

Christianity is Christ doing it through you."



But, shouldn't we persist in these very things in order to know our God @Behold ? We strive, we battle, "A righteous man falls 7 times and get's back up". The true soldiers of Christ rise back up, each time and stronger for it I would say, in some instances.
We understand that to always be in His will, we must abide in Him, or we will be good for chaff.
I agree, these are what lead us to always seek His Face, "strive to enter in, for few there are..." It's very dark and cold and lonely if we do not continue in these things (as Paul taught) and to always acknowledge Him first and foremost.
Are we not to pray to prophecy? Speak in tongues? Pray for the spiritual gifts? It's ALL power in The Spirit.

Just me ole oh-pin-yin

 

[Behold]

But, shouldn't we persist in these very things in order to know our God

Both striving to not be carnal, and striving to be like Christ.. = That is the person trying to do that.... and that fails.
It fails because there is no power of God involved in SELF EFFORT to try to be like Jesus.

Christianity, is not what we do.......Its who we have become..... as a "new Creation", born again, "in Christ".

So the power to "live it" is not found in trying to do it... its found in knowing who you are in Christ that allows God to be your strength, your "Victory"... = over the world, the flesh, and the devil.

Paul teaches us, that 'I can do all things through Christ".........vs....>"i can do nothing of myself".

 

[Ritajanice]

Spiritual power comes from within ,it has nothing to do with any power we have, because we have NONE!!

That power is Gods witness His Living Spirit, he’s the powerhouse who indwells our heart/ spirit.

Don’t even try to do anything without His prompting and leading, you will fail miserably, speaking from experience.

You should know God’s witness the Living Holy Spirit in your heart/ spirit?

After all haven’t you been Born Of The Spirit?


Short commentary.

Jesus' assertion in John 15:5, “apart from me you can do nothing.” It is an absolute statement. Jesus means to say, without Him, you and I and everyone else in the world can do absolutely nothing without His divine aide.

 

[Seethat]

Jesus means to say, without Him, you and I and everyone else in the world can do absolutely nothing without His divine aide.

Without him you can do nothing because only God is good, It is not about having his aide? it is about having him, and then he works through you , He who has begun a good work in you will complete it, but you have to have Jesus in you.

 

[Ritajanice]

Without him you can do nothing because only God is good, It is not about having his aide? it is about having him, and then he works through you , He who has begun a good work in you will complete it, but you have to have Jesus in you.

It’s about being Born Again actually...we receive God’s Living witness into our hearts/ spirit when we become Born Again, because we have been Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever.

By the way your post isn’t biblical @Seethat ?

Whose his divine aid in us?

Who are we Born Again of ..God?...or His Living witness, The Holy Spirit?

Where does the Holy Spirit manifest himself in us?

 

[Seethat]

It’s about being Born Again actually...we receive God’s Living witness into our hearts/ spirit when we become Born Again, because we have been Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever.

By the way your post isn’t biblical @Seethat ?

Whose his divine aid in us?

Who are we Born Again of ..God?...or His Living witness, The Holy Spirit?

Where does the Holy Spirit manifest himself in us?

The part that was not biblical was me quoting you, But yes Jesus said you must be born again, so that is the requirement, But the reality of the situation is who you receive, So this spirit you received was it Jesus?

 

[Ritajanice]

The part that was not biblical was me quoting you, But yes Jesus said you must be born again, so that is the requirement, But the reality of the situation is who you receive, So this spirit you received was it Jesus?

I have been Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever?

Did you actually read my post?

Now tell me, who is that seed that I have been Born Again of?

Whose spirit have you received...backed up by scripture please?

I posted my belief and backed up with Gods written word.

Your turn?

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ A Greeting from Peter (2 Peter 1:1–2) 1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the elect who are exiles of the Dispersion throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, chosena 2according to the foreknowledge of God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by His blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance. A Living Hope 3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By His great mercy He has given us new birthb into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4and into an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, reserved in heaven for you, 5who through faith are shielded by God’s power for the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 6In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in various trials 7so that the proven character of your faith—more precious than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise, glory, and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 8Though you have not seen Him, you love Him; and though you do not see Him now, you believe in Him and rejoice with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9now that you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls. 10Concerning this salvation, the prophets who foretold the grace to come to you searched and investigated carefully, 11trying to determine the time and setting to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow. 12It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves, but you, when they foretold the things now announced by those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things. A Call to Holiness (Hebrews 12:14–17) 13Therefore prepare your minds for action.c Be sober-minded. Set your hope fully on the grace to be given you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 14As obedient children, do not conform to the passions of your former ignorance. 15But just as He who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do, 16for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”d 17Since you call on a Father who judges each one’s work impartially, conduct yourselves in reverent fear during your stay as foreigners. 18For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life you inherited from your forefathers, 19but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or spot. 20He was known before the foundation of the world, but was revealed in the last times for your sake. 21Through Him you believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and glorified Him; and so your faith and hope are in God. The Enduring Word (Isaiah 40:6–8) 22Since you have purified your souls by obedience to the truth so that you have a genuine love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from a pure heart.e 23For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. 24For, “All flesh is like grass, and all its glory like the flowers of the field; the grass withers and the flowers fall, 25but the word of the Lord stands forever.”f And this is the word that was proclaimed to you.

 

[Seethat]

I have been Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever?

Did you actually read my post?

Now tell me, who is that seed that I have been Born Again of?

Who have you received...backed up by scripture please?

I posted my belief and backed up with Gods written word.

Your turn?

You didn't answer the question tho

Jesus said you must be born again, so that is the requirement, But the reality of the situation is who you receive, So this spirit you received was it Jesus?

 

[Ritajanice]

You didn't answer the question tho

Jesus said you must be born again, so that is the requirement, But the reality of the situation is who you receive, So this spirit you received was it Jesus?

I have answered your question,backed up by the written word.

Now tell me who is this imperishable seed that we have been Born Again of?

Are we Born Again of Jesus?

Scripture please that says we are Born Of Jesus?

I ask again who is the imperishable seed?...that liveth and abideth forever?

Whose spirit have you been Born Again of, i ask again?

Whose spirit made you spirit Born Again?

Was it the Living witness or was it the written word?

 

[Seethat]

I have answered your question,backed up by the written word.

Now tell me who is this imperishable seed that we have been Born Again of?

Are we Born Again of Jesus?

Scripture please that says we are Born Of Jesus?

I ask again who is the imperishable seed?

Your Imperishable seed quote doesn't explain who you believe that is, The question is have you received Jesus and does he dwell in you?

 

[Ritajanice]

Your Imperishable seed quote doesn't explain who you believe that is, The question is have you received Jesus and does he dwell in you?

I’m asking you who it is

I know who it is.

So, I ask you again, who is this imperishable seed that we are Born Again of?

Who made your spirit Born Again?
I also,ask again, who have you been Born Again of...the written word...or the Living word?

I’ve answered your questions, please answer mine instead of dodging them, thanks.

 

[Seethat]

I’m asking you who it is

I know who it is.

So, I ask you again, who is this imperishable seed that we are Born Again of?

I also,ask again, who have you been Born Again of...the written word...or the Living word?

I’ve answered your questions, please answer mine instead of dodging them, thanks.

My final answer is Jesus, Jesus is the Living Word, so now your turn.... Your Imperishable seed quote doesn't explain who you believe that is, The question is have you received Jesus and does he dwell in you?

 

[Ritajanice]

My final answer is Jesus, Jesus is the Living Word, so now your turn...

Not biblical that we are Born Again of Jesus the Living Word.

. Your Imperishable seed quote doesn't explain who you believe that is, The question is have you received Jesus and does he dwell in you?

Jesus is the Living word....that we are Born Again of..not biblical.

My question is have you been Born Again of imperishable seed?

Born Of The Spirit?

Whose spirit have you been Born Again of?

Nowhere in scripture does it say that we are Born Again of Jesus the Living word?

That is not biblical @Seethat ?

How was the Living word of Jesus delivered to you?

4 th time asking.by the Living Holy Spirit or by the written word?

What or who made your spirit Born Again?....the Living Holy Spirit?
Or the Bible Gods written word?

 

[Seethat]

Jesus is the Living word....?

My question is have you been Born Again of imperishable seed?

Nowhere in scripture does it say that we are Born Again of Jesus the Living word?

Your phrase living word isn't mentioned either. Jesus is alive and he is the Word, The question is if you have received him, You are born again when you receive Jesus, that is why I ask one question but if you can't answer who is in you, what is the point in carrying on and playing pretend

 

[Ritajanice]

Your phrase living word isn't mentioned either

Yes it is...we are Born Of The Spirit...now are we Born Of a dead Spirit or by the Living Holy Spirit?

Are you telling me that we are Born Again of a dead Spirit?

. Jesus is alive and he is the Word, The question is if you have received him, You are born again when you receive Jesus, that is why I ask one question but if you can't answer who is in you, what is the point in carrying on and playing pretend

You are not Born Again, not until we have been Born Of The Spirit?

He doesn’t say have you received him...( Jesus) not biblical.....he says we must be Born Again of imperishable seed.

Excuse me playing pretend?

Pretending what?...careful.

 

[Seethat]

You are not Born Again, not until we have been Born Of The Spirit?

He doesn’t say have you received him...( Jesus) not biblical.....he says we must be Born Again of imperishable seed.

Excuse me playing pretend?

Pretending what?...careful.

You keep editing your answers, let's make it as simple as we can, The spirit you received...Was is Christ, Is it Jesus that is in you

 

[Ritajanice]

You keep editing your answers, let's make it as simple as we can, The spirit you received...Was is Christ, Is it Jesus that is in you

What Spirit is in you and where does this spirit of yours reside?

What does being Born Again of imperishable seed mean?

Very easy to answer?

Can you please post scripture to support this spirit that you talk of @Seethat ?

Born Again...Born Again of who?

We all know who Jesus was...now please using scripture, please show that we are Born Again of the Living Jesus word, @Seethat ?..thank you.

Your posts just aren’t making any sense, because they are your words and not biblical.

I only understand God’s Living witness, the Living Holy Spirit backed up by His written word?

Now, if you will back up “your”words @Seethat using scripture?