The Promised Land:

[Eternally Grateful]

(Imo) Fruit has everything to do with Gods promise. I’m not sure how you can say Fruit has nothing to do with Gods promise. When it is everything for it is Gods Will that you (they) bear Fruit.

Show me in genesis where God told Abraham, Isaacor Jacob that they must bear fruit to receive or keep the land.

 

[Truthnightmare]

That is not the land the Lord promised Israel. God gave Israel a new home.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That is not the land the Lord promised Israel. God gave Israel a new home.

So God did not say I give this to you and your descendents forever?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Show me in genesis where God told Abraham, Isaacor Jacob that they must bear fruit to receive or keep the land.

Don’t make this about works …the Fruit of the Spirit of God is exactly what it says it is …the Fruit Bourne of the Spirit of God. No one is saying it is the works of the flesh. Or that God said to them you must bear Fruit to receive the Promise ..but instead: you must be born again of God. It is the Fruit of the Spirit in and by Christ out from what God planted in the earth. Where no man can plant anything other than that which God planted which is Christ.

 

[Truthnightmare]

So God did not say I give this to you and your descendents forever?

Of course He did, however there is a time when they shall inhabit that land and that time is not now. For now Israel has been given a new land.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Don’t make this about works …the Fruit of the Spirit of God is exactly what it says it is …the Fruit Bourne of the Spirit of God. No one is saying it is the works of the flesh. Or that God said to them you must bear Fruit to receive the Promise ..but instead: you must be born again of God. It is the Fruit of the Spirit in and by Christ out from what God planted in the earth. Where no man can plant anything other than that which God planted which is Christ.

You will have to excuse me but you made it about works. Not me.

You said fruit is required for Israel to get the land. Please show me where God made this a requirment when he gave them the land..

being born again is not a requirement to recieve the land of Israel In the Middle East..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Of course He did, however there is a time when they shall inhabit that land and that time is not now. For now Israel has been given a new land.

israel is being punished that is why she is not in peace. They wre not given a new land. They are scattered Like God said they would be.

But he will restore them

 

[Truthnightmare]

israel is being punished that is why she is not in peace. They wre not given a new land. They are scattered Like God said they would be.

But he will restore them

Israel to have a new home. 2nd Sam. 7:10; 1st Chron. 17:9.

Israel's home to be north-west of Palestine. Isa. 49:12; Jer. 3:18.

You like many other Christians believe any people that occupy that land and call themselves Jews must be Israel.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

ou will have to excuse me but you made it about works. Not me.

You said fruit is required for Israel to get the land. Please show me where God made this a requirment when he gave them the land..

That is not what I said “fruit is required for Israel to get the land”
1) we see the land promised unto them of God, differently. If I was speaking of a literal plot of land then, yes, maybe you took it as something they need to do to receive that plot of land. But that is not what I said… I asked what is the Fruit of the ground God plants His seed into? I keep waiting for you to refer to the Fruit of the Spirit of God, saying, “that is the Fruit” planted of God…mercy, love, trust, patience, forgiveness, brotherly love, Faith…Then I would ask “what is the Land”that bears the Fruit of the Spirit of God? see?

being born again is not a requirement to recieve the land of Israel In the Middle East..

I think you’re getting anxious over assuming this is assuming God lied about the land of Promise. Asking repeatedly “did God lie to Israel about the Land He promised unto them?”

Consider did He lie about they will not lack for a King to sit on the throne?

I’m anxious too so I’m waking away to go get some things done. I’m not meaning to say “Let God be a liar but every man true.” But the opposite “Let God be true. And every man a liar.” If God did indeed mean the land you think He meant as the promised land…then it will be true. I only hate for you to spend years and wake up one day to realize, what’s the Fruit ….matters.

 

[Truthnightmare]

israel is being punished that is why she is not in peace. They wre not given a new land. They are scattered Like God said they would be.

But he will restore them

They are not at peace because they are not Israel. What does the scriptures say regarding this?

Israel's home to be invincible to outside forces. 2nd Sam. 7:10; Isa. 41:11-14.

Isaiah 32:18 – “My people shall dwell in a peaceable habitation, and in sure dwellings, and in quiet resting places.”

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Israel to have a new home. 2nd Sam. 7:10; 1st Chron. 17:9.

Israel's home to be north-west of Palestine. Isa. 49:12; Jer. 3:18.

You like many other Christians believe any people that occupy that land and call themselves Jews must be Israel.

I could care less about the people there. I care about what God said will happen in the future

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That is not what I said “fruit is required for Israel to get the land”
1) we see the land promised unto them of God, differently. If I was speaking of a literal plot of land then, yes, maybe you took it as something they need to do to receive that plot of land. But that is not what I said… I asked what is the Fruit of the ground God plants His seed into? I keep waiting for you to refer to the Fruit of the Spirit of God, saying, “that is the Fruit” planted of God…mercy, love, trust, patience, forgiveness, brotherly love, Faith…Then I would ask “what is the Land”that bears the Fruit of the Spirit of God? see?




I think you’re getting anxious over assuming this is assuming God lied about the land of Promise. Asking repeatedly “did God lie to Israel about the Land He promised unto them?”

Consider did He lie about they will not lack for a King to sit on the throne?

I’m anxious too so I’m waking away to go get some things done. I’m not meaning to say “Let God be a liar but every man true.” But the opposite “Let God be true. And every man a liar.” If God did indeed mean the land you think He meant as the promised land…then it will be true. I only hate for you to spend years and wake up one day to realize, what’s the Fruit ….matters.

We are not discussing the spiritual land given to all of Gods people

we are talking about a plot of land God gave to a nation of people.

if we can not get this straight. we have no root to discuss

 

[Truthnightmare]

I could care less about the people there. I care about what God said will happen in the future

Does not God care for everyone?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

They are not at peace because they are not Israel. What does the scriptures say regarding this?

Israel's home to be invincible to outside forces. 2nd Sam. 7:10; Isa. 41:11-14.

Isaiah 32:18 – “My people shall dwell in a peaceable habitation, and in sure dwellings, and in quiet resting places.”

Scripture says there will be a temple. in which the man of sin will enter the most holy place and place an abomination of desolation.

so forgive me if I do not agree with you

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Does not God care for everyone?

sure he does.

But I am talking about God keeping his promise to a nation of people he made to abraham

 

[Truthnightmare]

Scripture says there will be a temple. in which the man of sin will enter the most holy place and place an abomination of desolation.

so forgive me if I do not agree with you

I agree, 2 Thess 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

[Truthnightmare]

sure he does.

But I am talking about God keeping his promise to a nation of people he made to abraham

I understand, And God always keeps his promises. However, those people are not of Abraham. If a million Africans took over Jerusalem and started calling themselves Jews, would you believe they are of Abraham?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I understand, And God always keeps his promises. However, those people are not of Abraham. If a million Africans took over Jerusalem and started calling themselves Jews, would you believe they are of Abraham?

and you know they are not from abraham how?

 

[Truthnightmare]

and you know they are not from abraham how?

Many many reasons.
They do not accept Jesus, they believe they are the Messiah. They also don’t believe the words of Paul.

Jesus said spoke about a group that claim to be Jews but they are liars.

They said they have never been in bondage, but Israel was in bondage in Egypt.

They haven’t fulfilled any of the prophecies concerning Israel.

Many many reasons….

 

[ScottA]

This the actions of a bully on the forum.

Oh well, so be it.

You project your own actions upon me, and by this same measure it will be measured back to you.