The push for vaccination.

[lforrest]

In recent news there was a measles outbreak in Disney Land. Big brother now looks to impose mandatory vaccination upon the populous.

There are many ethical considerations here, including most seriously, the use of stem cells from aborted babies to develop vaccines. Some may argue that it is unethical to use knowledge gained through unethical medical research. Research that should be viewed in the same light as the research from the NAZI holocaust, for those of us who see abortion as murder.

I think that knowledge is truth and can not be bad itself. It is how knowledge is obtained or used that should raise ethical questions.

 

[River Jordan]

The cell lines used in vaccine development are from aborted fetuses from the 1960's and 1970's, so getting a vaccine in no way encourages additional abortions nor do the vaccines contain any material from those fetuses.

Simply put, get vaccinated.

 

[pom2014]

Vaccination is the best course of action.

Less disease is good.

 

[Axehead]

With the measles and measles vaccine debate reaching a near frenzy on the Internet, it is always nice to throw some cold hard facts on the firestorm currently raging in the measles debate.

So here are some easily verifiable facts regarding deaths due to measles in the United States for the past 10 years, and deaths due to measles vaccines during the same 10 year period.

First, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) keeps a weekly tally of disease outbreaks, including deaths. According to a statement made by Dr. Anne Schuchat, the director of CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, in an Associated Press story picked up by Fox News on April 25, 2014:


There have been no measles deaths reported in the U.S. since 2003

The weekly CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports (MMWR) since that date have not revealed any measles deaths either.
And while health authorities are blaming measles outbreaks in recent years on unvaccinated children, when you mention the fact that nobody is dying from measles in the U.S., they are quick to turn around and claim vaccines have eliminated measles deaths (even though they cannot eliminate the disease itself apparently.)
Besides the obvious contradiction in reasoning with such a claim, the historical evidence just does not support it either:


Death by Measles Vaccines
What about deaths due to the measles vaccine during the same time period?
The U.S. Government keeps a database of reports called The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). The database is available to the public, and there is a search portal the public can use at Medalerts.org.

We ran a search for a ten year period for deaths due to all measles vaccines, including a few that are no longer in production. The search result contained 108 deaths over this period, resulting from four different measles vaccines sold in the United States during the past 10 years.

Read more herehttp://healthimpactnews.com/2015/zero-u-s-measles-deaths-in-10-years-but-over-100-measles-vaccine-deaths-reported/

 

[heretoeternity]

Big pharma and big government has people afraid of their own shadows....give me a break...stay away from these vaccines especially those which are made from aborted fetus...that is so terrible it's beyond belief...christians, it is time to put your money where your mouth is so speak and walk the walk, and rely on God's protection, instead of some huge mega business telling you what to do....next they will probably have the microchip in the vaccines, so the whole population will be chipped...it's not far away!

 

[pom2014]

To deny yourselves vaccination is faulty reason.

If your sole reason is that the product is bad for you and its pushed by huge corporations, then by that same reason you shouldn't smoke, drink alcohol or eat processed foods.

All are bad for you and come from companies.

Baby, bathwater, window.

God gave us discernment. Vaccines have reduced the suffering from diseases. Perhaps we should stop fighting Prudence?

 

[heretoeternity]

You obviously welcome the globalist agenda they have in store for you..those who have researched the matter thoroughly will disagree with your very strongly..but you have free will to put in your body what you want, poison or not..bon appetite!

 

[River Jordan]

With the measles and measles vaccine debate reaching a near frenzy on the Internet, it is always nice to throw some cold hard facts on the firestorm currently raging in the measles debate.

So here are some easily verifiable facts regarding deaths due to measles in the United States for the past 10 years, and deaths due to measles vaccines during the same 10 year period.

First, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) keeps a weekly tally of disease outbreaks, including deaths. According to a statement made by Dr. Anne Schuchat, the director of CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, in an Associated Press story picked up by Fox News on April 25, 2014:


There have been no measles deaths reported in the U.S. since 2003

The weekly CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports (MMWR) since that date have not revealed any measles deaths either.
And while health authorities are blaming measles outbreaks in recent years on unvaccinated children, when you mention the fact that nobody is dying from measles in the U.S., they are quick to turn around and claim vaccines have eliminated measles deaths (even though they cannot eliminate the disease itself apparently.)
Besides the obvious contradiction in reasoning with such a claim, the historical evidence just does not support it either:


Death by Measles Vaccines
What about deaths due to the measles vaccine during the same time period?
The U.S. Government keeps a database of reports called The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). The database is available to the public, and there is a search portal the public can use at Medalerts.org.

We ran a search for a ten year period for deaths due to all measles vaccines, including a few that are no longer in production. The search result contained 108 deaths over this period, resulting from four different measles vaccines sold in the United States during the past 10 years.

Read more herehttp://healthimpactnews.com/2015/zero-u-s-measles-deaths-in-10-years-but-over-100-measles-vaccine-deaths-reported/




You're only looking at the extreme end of the spectrum (death). Measles also can result in pneumonia, permanent brain damage, permanent deafness, and other terrible side effects. Get vaccinated.

To deny yourselves vaccination is faulty reason.

Let's be honest....it's just stupid.

If your sole reason is that the product is bad for you and its pushed by huge corporations, then by that same reason you shouldn't smoke, drink alcohol or eat processed foods.

Or use a computer/cell phone/tablet/the internet, drive a car, wear clothes......

God gave us discernment. Vaccines have reduced the suffering from diseases. Perhaps we should stop fighting Prudence?

I think this is an unfortunate side effect of the anti-science attitudes of fundamentalist Christians. If you've been taught that scientists are mostly atheists who want to go against God, then believing that vaccines are a conspiracy by science isn't that much of a stretch.

 

[lforrest]

By using vaccines made from fetal tissue, doesn't that show an approval of using these unethical research methods?

Being that big pharma is out to make a profit, what incentive do they have to change their methods or provide alternatives?

 

[River Jordan]

By using vaccines made from fetal tissue, doesn't that show an approval of using these unethical research methods?

The cell lines used for vaccine development were from fetal tissue from the 1960's. Getting vaccinated does not cause a single abortion at all or in any way.

Being that big pharma is out to make a profit, what incentive do they have to change their methods or provide alternatives?

It's far safer to develop vaccines in human tissue. They have used tissues from other organisms, but for obvious health and safety reasons, human tissue is better.

 

[Axehead]

Why is the Mainstream Media Ignoring Measles Vaccine Fraud Cases?

The current measles outbreak and measles vaccines are a hot topic of debate raging in both the mainstream and alternative media. However, it would appear that the mainstream media’s reporting on this issue is leaving out some very important facts that for some reason they do not seem to want to report.

Given the severity of the issue and the current rhetoric, which includes some in the mainstream media calling for criminal prosecution and incarceration of parents who refuse the measles vaccine, it is very important that all the facts involving the measles vaccine are revealed to the public.

Unfortunately, one topic in the discussion about measles vaccines that the mainstream media is completely ignoring is the fact that whistleblowers have come forward to reveal massive fraud connected with the current measles vaccine.

Merck’s Alleged MMR Vaccine Fraud According to Whistleblowers
First, as we have mentioned several times in our coverage of this issue, there is currently no “measles vaccine” available. If one desires to get a “measles shot,” or if one is mandated by law to do so, there is currently only one vaccine available, and it is a combination of three vaccines: mumps, measles, rubella. One company owns the rights to this vaccine: Merck.

What the mainstream media is not currently reporting, however, is that Merck has been involved in a long federal lawsuit with allegations of fraud over the mumps portion of the MMR vaccine, in a case filed back in 2010 by two whistleblowers, virologists who worked for Merck. Merck has apparently tried hard to get this case thrown out of court, and keep this news out of the media, but late in 2014 a federal judge finally ruled that the case is to move forward.

We had to obtain this news from legal websites (such as this one) providing news to attorneys, as we could find no mention of it in the mainstream news. The memorandum issued by judge in district court explaining his ruling is found here.

Read more, here.

 

[River Jordan]

Regarding the rubella vaccine and abortion, they have a very interesting history.

One of the biggest problems with rubella is its effects on developing fetuses. As the CDC describes, "Pregnant women who get infected with rubella virus also expose their babies. This can cause serious birth defects such as heart problems, hearing and vision loss, intellectual disability, and liver or spleen damage. Serious birth defects are more common if a woman is infected early in her pregnancy, especially in the first 12 weeks. Getting rubella infection during pregnancy can also cause a miscarriage or premature delivery."

So if you're a woman who's not getting the rubella vaccine because of it being developed via fetal tissue and you get pregnant, you're actually increasing the likelihood that your baby will have severe defects or possibly even die! Not only that, but rubella-associated birth defects played a significant role in changing the public perception of abortion.

Writing on the history of abortion, women's attitudes toward pregnancy and societal fears about disability and its consequences, historian Leslie J. Reagan traced those issues within the context of rubella, its discovery and consequences of its impact in her book, "Dangerous Pregnancies: Mothers, Disabilities and Abortion in Modern America."

Reagan, a historian at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, says German measles, especially during its 1963-65 epidemic, created so much anxiety in America because "a woman might have it and have no symptoms. But if she caught the virus during pregnancy, it could harm the developing fetus," resulting in infant death or birth defects including blindness, deafness, mental retardation or heart malformations.

"These were very frightening potential outcomes, and they shook the public's confidence that most babies would survive birth and be healthy and normal," Reagan said.

Abortion offered a solution for families and doctors, Reagan said, but getting a legal "therapeutic" abortion involved getting permission from hospital review, and that permission was hard to get.

"The early abortion-rights movement began at this time, with this concern for expectant mothers, and for families who appeared to be the perfect, idealized 1950s, 1960s family," she said. "To have the group that was seen as inherently respectable and moral talking about abortion really did change, I think, the picture of abortion -- from deviant to respectable -- and thus changed the public discussion."

Of course the irony here being that by opting out of a vaccine over concerns about its original links to fetal tissue, some women may be 1) increasing the odds of a spontaneous abortion due to the rubella virus, and 2) aiding in the current public perception of abortion.

Definitely something to think about.

 

[HammerStone]

In recent news there was a measles outbreak in Disney Land. Big brother now looks to impose mandatory vaccination upon the populous.

There are many ethical considerations here, including most seriously, the use of stem cells from aborted babies to develop vaccines. Some may argue that it is unethical to use knowledge gained through unethical medical research. Research that should be viewed in the same light as the research from the NAZI holocaust, for those of us who see abortion as murder.

I think that knowledge is truth and can not be bad itself. It is how knowledge is obtained or used that should raise ethical questions.

Fair enough of an assessment. However, where is the line drawn? If you really start breaking things down, we technically purchase products, pay taxes, and donate to abortion-inducing entities all of the time. While fighting against paying for essentially state-mandated abortions is definitely something we should stand up against, how far down a rabbit hole are we going?

The weekly CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports (MMWR) since that date have not revealed any measles deaths either.
There have been no measles deaths reported in the U.S. since 2003
And while health authorities are blaming measles outbreaks in recent years on unvaccinated children, when you mention the fact that nobody is dying from measles in the U.S., they are quick to turn around and claim vaccines have eliminated measles deaths (even though they cannot eliminate the disease itself apparently.)
Besides the obvious contradiction in reasoning with such a claim, the historical evidence just does not support it either:

Okay, but some of this is circular logic. The entire premise is that people who don't vaccinate get the measles, thus they ensure that the measles endure. Can't blame the vaccine for that. It's also a law of averages, and the likelihood of the people who die as a result will go down when fewer are getting it in the first place. As River Jordan pointed out, there are all kinds of complications, and so it's not necessarily measles = death.

I think this is an unfortunate side effect of the anti-science attitudes of fundamentalist Christians. If you've been taught that scientists are mostly atheists who want to go against God, then believing that vaccines are a conspiracy by science isn't that much of a stretch.

This excuse might hold for a certain sizable segment, but in my experience, and as many mommy-blogs often confirm, I've seen just as much from communities and demographics outside of fundamentalism. In fact, a number of these cases seem to be occurring in affluent, white couples where religion may be either a socio-cultural thing or not even present at all. Run the paleo circle which can sometimes overlap with the organic movement, and you'll find plenty of anti-vacciners who aren't remotely Christian. I think fundamentalism is the popular boogeyman here because of the past.

 

[Axehead]

More vaccine related news for your consideration.
Obama Grants Immunity to CDC Whistleblower on Measles Vaccine Link to Autism

Studies Outside the U.S. Show Unvaccinated Children Healthier than Vaccinated Children

Michigan CPS Seeking to Force Measles Vaccine on 4 Small Kids Against Desire of Parents

An interesting email...

One doctor reached out to say, "I am an emergency physician with over 20 yrs clinical experience. I have a legitimate medical reason for no more vaccines. Because hospitals are requiring vaccines no exceptions. I will soon be unemployable. Was told by head of HR today I MAY win this year but by 2018, in 3 yrs there will be no exceptions for health care providers. My fall back was teaching, but schools and universities are doing the same. Do not use my name or identifying info until this finalizes."

This is how bad it's getting.

Vaccine profits are diving. To compensate, mandatory vaccination is sweeping the nation. And we're losing good people because of it!

Fight back by sharing the blog and making your comments.

Let me remind you that regardless of your views on vaccines, this is an issue of FREEDOM. I may not agree with your choice to vaccinate, but I agree that it's your choice!

Read here:

http://thepeopleschemist.com/chemist-measles-horrifying-facts-media-left/

 

[River Jordan]

This excuse might hold for a certain sizable segment, but in my experience, and as many mommy-blogs often confirm, I've seen just as much from communities and demographics outside of fundamentalism. In fact, a number of these cases seem to be occurring in affluent, white couples where religion may be either a socio-cultural thing or not even present at all. Run the paleo circle which can sometimes overlap with the organic movement, and you'll find plenty of anti-vacciners who aren't remotely Christian. I think fundamentalism is the popular boogeyman here because of the past.

Oh sure. I'm specifically talking about the segment of the anti-vaxers who are fundamentalist Christians. The anti-science culture there definitely lends itself to anti-vaccination.

More vaccine related news for your consideration.
Obama Grants Immunity to CDC Whistleblower on Measles Vaccine Link to Autism

Studies Outside the U.S. Show Unvaccinated Children Healthier than Vaccinated Children

Michigan CPS Seeking to Force Measles Vaccine on 4 Small Kids Against Desire of Parents

An interesting email...

One doctor reached out to say, "I am an emergency physician with over 20 yrs clinical experience. I have a legitimate medical reason for no more vaccines. Because hospitals are requiring vaccines no exceptions. I will soon be unemployable. Was told by head of HR today I MAY win this year but by 2018, in 3 yrs there will be no exceptions for health care providers. My fall back was teaching, but schools and universities are doing the same. Do not use my name or identifying info until this finalizes."

This is how bad it's getting.

Vaccine profits are diving. To compensate, mandatory vaccination is sweeping the nation. And we're losing good people because of it!

Fight back by sharing the blog and making your comments.

Let me remind you that regardless of your views on vaccines, this is an issue of FREEDOM. I may not agree with your choice to vaccinate, but I agree that it's your choice!

Read here:

http://thepeopleschemist.com/chemist-measles-horrifying-facts-media-left/

Well, just like with creationism and any other crackpot ideas, you can Google search and find any number of websites that tell you what you want to hear. I suggest that if you're truly interested in the science of the issue, you actually get your information from scientific sources rather than crank websites.

 

[HammerStone]

River, and that is true, I am definitely not denying it exists, but I don't think it's nearly as blamable here.

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/09/wealthy-la-schools-vaccination-rates-are-as-low-as-south-sudans/380252/

I just wanted to throw that link out there, though, because a lot of this California stuff is generally driven by "blue staters" who generally identify with health food movements and would generally vote Democract. This isn't to try and paint out those darn liberals, but I think this particular phenomenon is more of a blue state issue as it hits a particular segment that can be fairly generalized. I know of a few organic farm families who are Christian and have taken to Facebook to declare their anti-vaccine status these days, but most people I know who would fit most definitions of fundamentalist are actually quite trusting of science, doctors and even government advice on vaccines.

Foodies seems to be where left and old school (paleoconservative) right intersect in a lot of ways, but this is an issue where I've made it a point to sample friends, family, and others.

 

[Wormwood]

I know a lot of anti-vaccine Christians. Unfortunately there are a lot of Christians who are buying into government conspiracy, etc. I dont doubt there are people across the spectrum who buy into the same anti-vaccine propaganda, but it's definitely prominent among Christians. It's a shame. While I certainly agree we shouldn't pursue any medical advancements/vaccines that promote present day abortions, vaccines are a good thing. I think most of the fear has to do with secret plots by the government to reduce population, which is silly.

 

[River Jordan]

River, and that is true, I am definitely not denying it exists, but I don't think it's nearly as blamable here.

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/09/wealthy-la-schools-vaccination-rates-are-as-low-as-south-sudans/380252/

I just wanted to throw that link out there, though, because a lot of this California stuff is generally driven by "blue staters" who generally identify with health food movements and would generally vote Democract. This isn't to try and paint out those darn liberals, but I think this particular phenomenon is more of a blue state issue as it hits a particular segment that can be fairly generalized. I know of a few organic farm families who are Christian and have taken to Facebook to declare their anti-vaccine status these days, but most people I know who would fit most definitions of fundamentalist are actually quite trusting of science, doctors and even government advice on vaccines.

Foodies seems to be where left and old school (paleoconservative) right intersect in a lot of ways, but this is an issue where I've made it a point to sample friends, family, and others.

Actually, the data shows that anti-vax nonsense has a slight right-wing bias. But that doesn't negate the definitely reality of the upper class liberal homeopath/whole foods/natural healing contingent. They're definitely out there.

 

[JimParker]

In recent news there was a measles outbreak in Disney Land. Big brother now looks to impose mandatory vaccination upon the populous.

There are many ethical considerations here, including most seriously, the use of stem cells from aborted babies to develop vaccines. Some may argue that it is unethical to use knowledge gained through unethical medical research. Research that should be viewed in the same light as the research from the NAZI holocaust, for those of us who see abortion as murder.

I think that knowledge is truth and can not be bad itself. It is how knowledge is obtained or used that should raise ethical questions.

So we shouldn't get our children vaccinated?

Is it moral to let them get sick and die?

Instead of being "against" abortion and stem cell research and whatever else gets you wound up, preach the gospel at all times. If necessary, use words. (St. Francis of Assisi)

Love you enemies enough to care about their salvation.

 

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In recent news there was a measles outbreak in Disney Land. Big brother now looks to impose mandatory vaccination upon the populous.

There are many ethical considerations here, including most seriously, the use of stem cells from aborted babies to develop vaccines. Some may argue that it is unethical to use knowledge gained through unethical medical research. Research that should be viewed in the same light as the research from the NAZI holocaust, for those of us who see abortion as murder.

I think that knowledge is truth and can not be bad itself. It is how knowledge is obtained or used that should raise ethical questions.

The real problem isn't ethics, its economic. For every idiot that refuses to vaccinate their child, there are ten working folk who have to pay insurance and tax fees to compensate for the problem. Meanwhile, fools rule.

In some nations more civilized than others, a person rightly suffers for their own stupidity.

and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...