The Rapture and the Tribulation - Short

[Scott Downey]

rev 13
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

he makes war with the saints right away.
The mark IDENTIFIES them, ( by not having it)

It can certainly be said he does.
But warfares can be progressively worse
And we know things get worse and worse right up until the end when Christ returns

 

[rebuilder 454]

Pseudo-Ephraem was translated into English at Tyndale Seminary In Texas by Cameron Rhoades, it was done at the request of David Cloud and the late Grant Jeffrey for his book, the three mentioned are all biased pre-trib advocates being big names in this community

Tyndale Seminary is the size of a house in (Hurst Texas) and unaccredited in theological studies, Cameron Rhoades English that you quote is a biased "Farce"

When Was the Pre-Tribulation Rapture First Taught?
January 31, 2024 (first published November 6, 2014)
David Cloud, Way of Life Literature, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061

In the 1990s some of Ephraem’s writings were translated into English for the first time, one of these being On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World, A.D. 373.

The translation was done by Professor Cameron Rhoades of Tyndale Theological Seminary at the bequest of Grant R. Jeffrey. It was subsequently published in Jeffrey’s 1995 book Final Warning.

Tyndall Seminary Hurst Texas Below
701 W Pipeline Rd, Hurst, TX 76053

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AT Robinson a prominent Greek language expert, had only an office.

Under your template, he is a joke huh?
I have found Quotes from
Jesus Christ himself and it does not satisfy anything with supporting your doctrine.
it is Jesus Christ himself that proclaimed and declared the pre tribulation rapture.
I would assume that since he does not have an office or the building that you require, that that,
would be the probable reason why you also reject his writing

It is bizarre to me to think a doctrine solely based on anchient dead men, that formed the catholic church, can honestly rely on that shaky ground to "authenticate " verses from the Bible.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
rev 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


3 angels with 3 messages, why? well maybe there is no open evangelism at this time, I don't know. Work while it is day, night comes when no man can work.
But we do see some have survived and not been marked
Revelation 14

rev 7​

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;​

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could Be some fall through the cracks.
however,Jesus is not having 1% of the church as the main harvest or bride








Again ,a few are saved during the tribulation, however if you keep reading you will see in verse 14, that there is the main harvest of the Jewish people
That Jewish gathering of revelation 14; 14 is the gathering of the Jews, which is after
the gathering of the gentile bride, that is depicted in matthew 25

You have divided what the blood of Christ brought together as one long ago (Ephesians 2:11-22). Jew and Gentile believers are all one in Christ Jesus (Galatians 3:28). There is no such thing as "the gentile bride". Your eschatology and theology are completely messed up.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Pseudo-Ephraem was translated into English at Tyndale Seminary In Texas by Cameron Rhoades, it was done at the request of David Cloud and the late Grant Jeffrey for his book, the three mentioned are all biased pre-trib advocates being big names in this community

Tyndale Seminary is the size of a house in (Hurst Texas) and unaccredited in theological studies, Cameron Rhoades English that you quote is a biased "Farce"

When Was the Pre-Tribulation Rapture First Taught?
January 31, 2024 (first published November 6, 2014)
David Cloud, Way of Life Literature, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061

In the 1990s some of Ephraem’s writings were translated into English for the first time, one of these being On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World, A.D. 373.

The translation was done by Professor Cameron Rhoades of Tyndale Theological Seminary at the bequest of Grant R. Jeffrey. It was subsequently published in Jeffrey’s 1995 book Final Warning.

Tyndall Seminary Hurst Texas Below
701 W Pipeline Rd, Hurst, TX 76053

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Dispensationalism, as a system, results in a premillennial interpretation of Christ’s second coming and usually a pretribulational interpretation of the rapture. To summarize, dispensationalism is a theological system that emphasizes the literal interpretation of Bible prophecy, recognizes a distinction between Israel and the Church, and organizes the Bible into different dispensations or administrations.
(from google)

No boogeyman from satan as your sect suggests

 

[Truth7t7]

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
rev 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


3 angels with 3 messages, why? well maybe there is no open evangelism at this time, I don't know. Work while it is day, night comes when no man can work.
But we do see some have survived and not been marked
Revelation 14

rev 7​

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;​

​

​

​

​

​

could Be some fall through the cracks.
however,Jesus is not having 1% of the church as the main harvest or bride








Again ,a few are saved during the tribulation, however if you keep reading you will see in verse 14, that there is the main harvest of the Jewish people
That Jewish gathering of revelation 14; 14 is the gathering of the Jews, which is after
the gathering of the gentile bride, that is depicted in matthew 25

The (Two Witnesses) are the saints that are overcome and killed when they finish their testimony in Jerusalem for 3.5 years as seen in Revelation 11:7 and Revelation 13:7 below, same event in parallel teachings

Revelation 11:7KJV
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 13:7KJV
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

 

[Truth7t7]

Again ,a few are saved during the tribulation, however if you keep reading you will see in verse 14, that there is the main harvest of the Jewish people
That Jewish gathering of revelation 14; 14 is the gathering of the Jews, which is after
the gathering of the gentile bride, that is depicted in matthew 25

Your Claim Is False, there is one future resurrection of "All" on "The Last Day"

Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Your Claim Is False, there is one future resurrection of "All" on "The Last Day"

Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

OK
I am not into that amil stuff.
That doctrine is way on out there and history disproves it

 

[rebuilder 454]

The (Two Witnesses) are the saints that are overcome and killed when they finish their testimony in Jerusalem for 3.5 years as seen in Revelation 11:7 and Revelation 13:7 below, same event in parallel teachings

Revelation 11:7KJV
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 13:7KJV
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

I guess all that is to attempt support for amil?
You seem like a very decent and Christian man but all that amill stuff needs to go with that guy named spiritual israelite and his three or four buddies

 

[rebuilder 454]

Your Claim Is False, there is one future resurrection of "All" on "The Last Day"

Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Amazing the path that a doctrine takes when "the dead in Christ rise At the rapture" is OMITTED

 

[rebuilder 454]

Your Claim Is False, there is one future resurrection of "All" on "The Last Day"

Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

I know.
Amil says there is no antichrist.
Amil is a partial Bible belief system.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Precious friends, there is really no need, for the love of God and the Unity of the Spirit, to have slanderous remarks, just a kind and humble discussion of The Truth Of God's Word, Rightly
Divided, eh?

Some brief information on the Rapture and the Tribulation from a dispensational perspective

Confirmed by comprehensive Scriptural study Of God's Great GRACE Departure! Kinda like this eh?:

"Outline!":

"Do all things Decently And In order!!" (1 Corinthians 14:40 AV)​

(1) PEACE With God! "Receiving" The Holy Spirit For understanding?
(2) Which BIBLE: AV! or, Any "newer modern version" will suffice?

(3a) God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided! Brief Intro
(3b) God's Three Ages Rightly Divided Timelines

(4) Which "Gospel!" Makes Way For Which "Gospel"?
(5) GREAT Tribulation? or, tribulations/GREAT GRACE Departure!?

(6) Pre-TOJT GRACE Departure "Expectations!"?
(7) God's HEAVENLY UPlook For HIS Body!

(8) "Watching, Waiting, And Looking" for WHOM! or, "signs"?
(9) God's Removal Of His Body!

(10) "Day Of CHRIST!" Rightly Divided from {RDf}: "The Day Of The LORD"?
(11) CONFIDENCE in death/resurrection!, OR, in living/glorification!!?

(12) CHRIST Will RETURN "Without Warning!"?
(13) The TWO "Trumps" Of God!, In HIS "Age Of GRACE!!"?

(14) Meeting HIM "In The Air!" to Heaven!! vs U-turn (theology?) Back To earth?
(15) Preparation For Judgment! (accounting "for every word spoken"?)

(16) Post Departure "Deception! Question"?

Conclusion!: (17) God's Great GRACE Departure!

Jesus Is LORD, And "Head of the Body" which will participate In The Above! = Hallelujah!

Amen.

ps. The points with 'no link' are still available upon request (don't know why none have ever asked?)

 

[Truth7t7]

OK
I am not into that amil stuff.
That doctrine is way on out there and history disproves it

False

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End) no millennial kingdom on this earth following

 

[Truth7t7]

I guess all that is to attempt support for amil?
You seem like a very decent and Christian man but all that amill stuff needs to go with that guy named spiritual israelite and his three or four buddies

It's Darby's 1830's false teaching of a pre-trib rapture that's got to go, it's found no place in scripture

 

[Truth7t7]

Amazing the path that a doctrine takes when "the dead in Christ rise At the rapture" is OMITTED

No such thing as a pre-trib rapture found in scripture, it's a false teaching of John N. Darby 1830's and promoted world wide by C.I. Scofield's 1909 reference Bible with Darby's false teachings in the margins

 

[Truth7t7]

I know.
Amil says there is no antichrist.
Amil is a partial Bible belief system.

I believe in a future literal human man Paul's (Man Of Sin) John's (The Beast) or (The Antichrist)

Don't mix my belief up with others, those who deny a future literal evil human man as described above are deceived

 

[Truth7t7]

Precious friends, there is really no need, for the love of God and the Unity of the Spirit, to have slanderous remarks, just a kind and humble discussion of The Truth Of God's Word, Rightly
Divided, eh?

Confirmed by comprehensive Scriptural study Of God's Great GRACE Departure! Kinda like this eh?:

"Outline!":

"Do all things Decently And In order!!" (1 Corinthians 14:40 AV)​

(1) PEACE With God! "Receiving" The Holy Spirit For understanding?
(2) Which BIBLE: AV! or, Any "newer modern version" will suffice?

(3a) God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided! Brief Intro
(3b) God's Three Ages Rightly Divided Timelines

(4) Which "Gospel!" Makes Way For Which "Gospel"?
(5) GREAT Tribulation? or, tribulations/GREAT GRACE Departure!?

(6) Pre-TOJT GRACE Departure "Expectations!"?
(7) God's HEAVENLY UPlook For HIS Body!

(8) "Watching, Waiting, And Looking" for WHOM! or, "signs"?
(9) God's Removal Of His Body!

(10) "Day Of CHRIST!" Rightly Divided from {RDf}: "The Day Of The LORD"?
(11) CONFIDENCE in death/resurrection!, OR, in living/glorification!!?

(12) CHRIST Will RETURN "Without Warning!"?
(13) The TWO "Trumps" Of God!, In HIS "Age Of GRACE!!"?

(14) Meeting HIM "In The Air!" to Heaven!! vs U-turn (theology?) Back To earth?
(15) Preparation For Judgment! (accounting "for every word spoken"?)

(16) Post Departure "Deception! Question"?

Conclusion!: (17) God's Great GRACE Departure!

Jesus Is LORD, And "Head of the Body" which will participate In The Above! = Hallelujah!

Amen.

ps. The points with 'no link' are still available upon request (don't know why none have ever asked?)

No such thing as a pre-trib rapture found in scripture, it's a false teaching of John N. Darby 1830's and promoted world wide by C.I. Scofield's 1909 reference Bible with Darby's false teachings in the margins

 

[rebuilder 454]

It's Darby's 1830's false teaching of a pre-trib rapture that's got to go, it's found no place in scripture

Keep dreaming.
Your dependence on dead ancients is shaky

 

[rebuilder 454]

False

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End) no millennial kingdom on this earth following

amil.
error
big time.

 

[rebuilder 454]

It's Darby's 1830's false teaching of a pre-trib rapture that's got to go, it's found no place in scripture

We shall call this Darby derangement syndrome.

It infects those dependent on dead ancients, and causes them to tell little fibs.

The ancient church fathers believed they were in the trib ..LOL
Too funny how totally mislead they were (your founding amil fathers)

 

[rebuilder 454]

No such thing as a pre-trib rapture found in scripture, it's a false teaching of John N. Darby 1830's and promoted world wide by C.I. Scofield's 1909 reference Bible with Darby's false teachings in the margins

The trib is in the past?
The AC is history?