Waiting on him
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No man was born of God till Jesus first centuryIt's always been - any thought or mind which is in opposition to God is "the knowledge of good & evil".
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No man was born of God till Jesus first centuryIt's always been - any thought or mind which is in opposition to God is "the knowledge of good & evil".
The Elohim have this knowledge and by this they must have gone through a probationary period like us.No man was born of God till Jesus first century
Nor had any man seen the Father.
"And Yahweh Elohim said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil"
This knowledge is not based on immortality, or the experiential knowledge of sin...what we need to understand is Adam and Eve were immature believers who in time could have been taught such knowledge, however this was not in God's master plan!
In the moment of Adam and Eve's creation:"And Yahweh Elohim said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil"
This knowledge is not based on immortality, or the experiential knowledge of sin...what we need to understand is Adam and Eve were immature believers who in time could have been taught such knowledge, however this was not in God's master plan!
@Christophany said it better than I could, quoting Proverbs 23:7Hello CadyandZoe,
Can you explain more about what you mean here?
From my understanding there are only two types of people in the world, those who think about and add God into their life, and those who do not think about and do not add God into their life.
From also my understanding there are two types of Christians in this world, those who are Children of God, and those who walk by the spirit and are considered Sons or Daughters of God.
Are you meaning "born again" of the Holy Spirit?No man was born of God till Jesus first century
But then, I misunderstood post #441. I heard you to say that one's own thoughts meant nothing with regard to whom that person really is. (I suspect that Christophany also heard you that way, which is why Christophany quoted the verse.) I was mistaken. I misinterpreted your words.
I see now that you were talking about reputation: the beliefs or opinions that are generally held about you by someone else.
To that I say this. A man has friends, relatives, teachers, colleagues, business associates, customers, and etc. all of whom can see the man from the outside; and in a sense act as a mirror, reflecting back at him.
Thus it becomes a matter of quality; what makes for the quality of a mirror? Does the mirror (how others see him) reflect back to him an accurate and reliable image? Or is the image distorted somehow?
How others see us can be valuable information if such opinions are accurate. But as you say, those observing the man from the outside can't always know what he is thinking or what motivates him; they don't fully know his thoughts, his dreams, his hopes, his values, or his perspective.
The man's associates might know him partially, and his family might know more about him, but none of them know the man fully, except as you say, God knows him fully.
Consider 1 Corinthians 13:9-12
For we know in part and we prophesy in part; but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known.
The opinion of others, for the most part, is a dim mirror. But, Paul says, once the perfect comes, then we will know each other fully. Why? Because an essential aspect of being known is to know ourselves fully.
Know thyself.
You cherry pick one verse out of a very symbolic book and make a point that has no relation to what the whole chapter is about?Revelation 12:6 KJV
[6] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Do the JWs believe there is a wilderness in heaven?
Without addressing all the particulars of your questions in regards to the entire context of Revelation 12, most Christians view it as being all in the future. Unfortunately, by taking that view they exclude the mind of Christ to provide His own thoughts about it, and therefore are attempting to interpret it solely by their own natural mind/man. Isaiah 55:8-9, Zechariah 4:6.You cherry pick one verse out of a very symbolic book and make a point that has no relation to what the whole chapter is about?
Revelation 12 has a lot of information contained in it, as well as a timeframe for events related to Daniel’s prophesy.
Revelation 12:1 says....
“Then a great sign was seen in heaven: A woman was arrayed with the sun, and the moon was beneath her feet, and on her head was a crown of 12 stars, 2 and she was pregnant. And she was crying out in her pains and in her agony to give birth.”
Who is the woman in that verse?...and who or what is she giving birth to?
Vs 3-4...
“Look! A great fiery-colored dragon, with seven heads and ten horns and on its heads seven diadems; 4 and its tail drags a third of the stars of heaven, and it hurled them down to the earth. And the dragon kept standing before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she did give birth, it might devour her child.”
Who is the fiery dragon with seven heads and ten horns who has seven diadems on its heads?
What does the third of the stars represent.....and when were these hurled down to the earth?
Why did the dragon want to devour her child?
What happens in vs 7-12 and how are mankind affected by those events?
The wilderness is as symbolic as the rest of the chapter.....unless you think that a literal wilderness exists where God has prepared a place for this woman to “be fed for a time and times and half a time”....? (Vs 14) What is she eating?
What is the “river” that is sent to drown her, and who comes to her rescue?
Revelation chapter 12 needs to be understood in its totality.
Lol, SMH @Aunty Jane, I ask you a simple question and you want a discourse on the revelation of Jesus Christ?Ill tell you what, if you’ll give me an honest answer to my original question (do the JWs believe there is a wilderness in heaven) then we’ll flesh this whole thing out. Who knows, maybe together one or the other of us can place the other on their shoulders and together we may reach the highest cherry on the tree?You cherry pick one verse out of a very symbolic book and make a point that has no relation to what the whole chapter is about?
Revelation 12 has a lot of information contained in it, as well as a timeframe for events related to Daniel’s prophesy.
Revelation 12:1 says....
“Then a great sign was seen in heaven: A woman was arrayed with the sun, and the moon was beneath her feet, and on her head was a crown of 12 stars, 2 and she was pregnant. And she was crying out in her pains and in her agony to give birth.”
Who is the woman in that verse?...and who or what is she giving birth to?
Vs 3-4...
“Look! A great fiery-colored dragon, with seven heads and ten horns and on its heads seven diadems; 4 and its tail drags a third of the stars of heaven, and it hurled them down to the earth. And the dragon kept standing before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she did give birth, it might devour her child.”
Who is the fiery dragon with seven heads and ten horns who has seven diadems on its heads?
What does the third of the stars represent.....and when were these hurled down to the earth?
Why did the dragon want to devour her child?
What happens in vs 7-12 and how are mankind affected by those events?
The wilderness is as symbolic as the rest of the chapter.....unless you think that a literal wilderness exists where God has prepared a place for this woman to “be fed for a time and times and half a time”....? (Vs 14) What is she eating?
What is the “river” that is sent to drown her, and who comes to her rescue?
Revelation chapter 12 needs to be understood in its totality.
"Waiting on him",Are you meaning "born again" of the Holy Spirit?
If so, I agree.
God the Father could not permanently dwell/live within anyone, until The Lamb of God came to take away the sin of the world.
God the Father needed Jesus' sacrifice just as much as we, but for different reasons.
Jeremiah 6:1-3 KJV"Waiting on him",
Do you have a response to my reply above?
@Earburner
Anything strike you as being odd about this verse?
Matthew 24:31 KJV
[31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
I hope you get to feeling better soon @MatthewGWas going through a study today of 1 Peter 1:1-5 not done with all of it don't feel good, took some time to look up the scriptures talking about the elect ran across this verse, and also got to he Foreknowledge part.
Sorry, I can't say that I am understanding what is odd about it.@Earburner
Anything strike you as being odd about this verse?
Matthew 24:31 KJV
[31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
God sends his angels from heaven to gather the elect out of heaven, How can one make sense of that?Sorry, I can't say that I am understanding what is odd about it.
I don't know how anyone would be gathered from out of Heaven. Matthew 13:30-39 is about on earth.God sends his angels from heaven to gather the elect out of heaven, How can one make sense of that?