The Second Death

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1. the resurrection is to a "spiritual body", NOT another flesh body.

2. the saints resurrected on the day of Christ's crucifixion were raised to the "spiritual body", NOT new flesh bodies.

3. Hebrews 9:27 tells us that it is appointed unto men to die ONCE, not twice. If the saints raised at Christ's crucifixion that went into Jerusalem and were seen by many were raised to FLESH BODIES, then they would have had to die TWICE, not once like the Scripture states.

4. the 'change' at the future "last trump" (last day) which Apostle Paul taught is also to the "spiritual body" of the resurrection. It is NOT a new flesh body. It is a glorious body, the "image of the heavenly" which Apostle Paul also used to describe it in that 1 Corinthians 15 chapter.

5. that 'change' of all those still alive on earth will be for ALL nations and peoples on earth, not just those in Christ Jesus. (See Isaiah 25 about death swallowed up in victory. It is for all nations at Christ's return).

6. Like Jesus showed in John 5:28-29, all will come forth out of their graves unto either the "resurrection of life", or the "resurrection of damnation".

7. the "resurrection of damnation" means a resurrection to the "spiritual body" also. The resurrection is... to the "spiritual body" type.

8. the wicked "resurrection of damnation", will STILL... be subject to perish at the "second death", even though they too will put on the "spiritual body" type per 1 Cor.15.

9. thus the "spiritual body" change does NOT mean automatic Salvation. Each one's SOUL must also... "put on immortality" in Christ Jesus to NOT be subject to the "second death".

10. the "second death" is about the destruction into the future "lake of fire" of one's 'spiritual body' with 'mortal soul'. Remember, the "resurrection of damnation" Jesus pointed to is ALSO to the "spiritual body", which is the type body for the resurrection. If it was not, then Jesus was not call it a "resurrection". But the unsaved will still have a liable to perish mortal soul. This is what Jesus pointed to also in Matt.10:28 of fearing The Father Who can destroy body body (spirit body) and soul in the lake of fire (Greek geena).

11. In 1 Corinthians 15, Apostle Paul called the "spiritual body" type also as the "image of the heavenly". (1 Cor.15:49).

12. the "image of the heavenly" is a body type for the Heavenly dimension, like the angels have. (Mark 12:25).

13. the "image of the earthy" Paul mentioned in 1 Cor.15:48 is about a flesh body for this present world time.

14. the "image of the heavenly", the "spiritual body", is a body for the world to come, and can exist in the Heavenly dimension and the earthly dimension at the same time, just as God's Word showed with Christ and the two angels He sent to Lot, per Genesis 18 & 19.

15. the future world to come is going to be the Heavenly dimension joined right here on this earth, together as one existence. This is how The Father will eventually return to this earth also, bringing His Garden of Eden with Him.
 
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1. the resurrection is to a "spiritual body", NOT another flesh body.
I agree that it will be a spiritual body, but that spiritual body could have flesh, but it would be different than what we have now. It would be immortal flesh. A spiritual body is not necessarily non-physical. It's immortal, powerful and glorious as described in 1 Corinthians 15.

Jesus Himself was resurrected unto bodily immortality, right? Was His resurrection body not a spiritual body? His resurrection body was such that He could just appear seemingly out of nowhere in a locked house as He did when He first appeared to the disciples after His resurrection. So, you shouldn't think that a spiritual body has to be a completely non-physical body. It seems that it can take on physical form while at the same time not having the same physical limitations that our mortal bodies do.

2. the saints resurrected on the day of Christ's crucifixion were raised to the "spiritual body", NOT new flesh bodies.
That is false. Nowhere is that taught. Paul taught the order of resurrections unto immortal, spiritual bodies here:

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

When you read the rest of 1 Corinthians 15 you can see that the context of this passage is in terms of the order of being resurrected unto bodily immortality. The order Paul gave of the dead rising to bodily immortality is that Christ Himself was first and next in order are "they that are Christ's at his coming". That's it. No mention of the ones referenced in Matthew 27:52-53. Surely, Paul would have mentioned them if they had been raised to bodily immortality, but he did not. So, they were not. They died again later just as in the case of Lazarus and others that were resurrected before Jesus.

3. Hebrews 9:27 tells us that it is appointed unto men to die ONCE, not twice. If the saints raised at Christ's crucifixion that went into Jerusalem and were seen by many were raised to FLESH BODIES, then they would have had to die TWICE, not once like the Scripture states.
That verse is speaking generally. There can be exceptions. What about those who are alive and remain until Jesus returns? According to Paul in 1 Thess 4:14-17, they will not die. We know from 1 Cor 15 that they instead will be changed and they will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air. So, did Paul contradict Hebrews 9:27 by indicating that those who are alive when Jesus returns will not die? No. You can't be so rigid when interpreting Hebrews 9:27. There can be exceptions even though the verse does apply to a vast majority of people.

4. the 'change' at the future "last trump" (last day) which Apostle Paul taught is also to the "spiritual body" of the resurrection. It is NOT a new flesh body. It is a glorious body, the "image of the heavenly" which Apostle Paul also used to describe it in that 1 Corinthians 15 chapter.
It's not mortal, but is immortal. Why can't there be an immortal flesh of some kind? Surely, it won't be mortal flesh, but why not immortal flesh? Again, we have Jesus as an example. He could be touched and He could eat with His resurrection body. But, He also wasn't limited by walls and locked doors and such, so the "spiritual body" will certainly be different than what we have now.

5. that 'change' of all those still alive on earth will be for ALL nations and peoples on earth, not just those in Christ Jesus. (See Isaiah 25 about death this swallowed up in victory. It is for all nations at Christ's return).
This is false and something that I've never seen anyone but you claim. When you have a belief all to yourself, that raises a red flag. God does not reveal truth from His word only to one person.

The change referenced in 1 Corinthians 15 is only made in reference to believers. Unbelievers are not mentioned there. And it's not just a change of those who are still alive, either. You saying that shows that you don't read the text carefully enough. The dead in Christ will be raised at that time and changed as well.

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

What you're also failing to take into account here is that the changed bodies that Paul wrote about are also said to be incorruptible, glorious and powerful (1 Cor 15:42-44). Are you trying to tell us that unbelievers will have incorruptible, glorious and powerful spiritual bodies at that point? That can't be. That is a reward for believers, not unbelievers.

6. Like Jesus showed in John 5:28-29, all will come forth out of their graves unto either the "resurrection of life", or the "resurrection of damnation".
Yes, but where does it indicate that unbelievers will have incorruptible, glorious and powerful bodies when they are resurrected? Nowhere.

7. the "resurrection of damnation" means a resurrection to the "spiritual body" also. The resurrection is... to the "spiritual body" type.
Again, the spiritual body is said to be raised in incorruption, raised in glory and raised in power. You really think unbelievers will have that kind of body?

8. the wicked "resurrection of damnation", will STILL... be subject to perish at the "second death", even though they too will put on the "spiritual body" type per 1 Cor.15.
What does this mean? Do you believe in annihilation? If so, why would they be resurrected with incorruptible, glorious and powerful bodies only to be annihilated shortly afterwards?

9.. thus the "spiritual body" change does NOT mean automatic Salvation. Each one's SOUL must also... "put on immortality" in Christ Jesus to NOT be subject to the "second death".
Only believers are described as being changed to have the spiritual, immortal body. Unbelievers are not referenced in 1 Corinthians 15 at all. You are adding something to scripture that isn't there and forming a one man doctrine. That is not wise.

10. the "second death" is about the destruction into the future "lake of fire" of one's 'spiritual body' with 'mortal soul'. Remember, the "resurrection of damnation" Jesus pointed to is ALSO to the "spiritual body", which is the type body for the resurrection. If it was not, then Jesus was not call it a "resurrection". But the unsaved will still have a liable to perish mortal soul. This is what Jesus pointed to also in Matt.10:28 of fearing The Father Who can destroy body body (spirit body) and soul in the lake of fire (Greek geena).
It appears that you believe in annihilation which is another false doctrine. You should read Revelation 14:9-11 and Revelation 20:10 which describe the lake of fire as a place of eternal torment.

11. In 1 Corinthians 15, Apostle Paul called the "spiritual body" type also as the "image of the heavenly". (1 Cor.15:49).
Why would unbelievers, who go to hell when they die, be given a body that is "the image of the heavenly"? That makes no sense.

12. the "image of the heavenly" is a body type for the Heavenly dimension, like the angels have. (Mark 12:25).
Right, so how could that be given to unbelievers who do not go to heaven and instead go to hell and eventually will be cast into the lake of fire?

13. the "image of the earthy" Paul mentioned in 1 Cor.15:48 is about a flesh body for this present world time.
Finally, you got something right.

14. the "image of the heavenly", the "spiritual body", is a body for the world to come, and can exist in the Heavenly dimension and the earthly dimension at the same time, just as God's Word showed with Christ and the two angels He sent to Lot, per Genesis 18 & 19.
Okay, so I guess you do understand that a spiritual body can take physical form? You indicated earlier that it's not a flesh body. Only in the sense of not being a mortal flesh body like we have now.

15. the future world to come is going to be the Heavenly dimension joined right here on this earth, together as one existence. This is how The Father will eventually return to this earth also, bringing His Garden of Eden with Him.
Agree, but that is the only place where spiritual bodies will exist. Unbelievers will not have the spiritual bodies like Paul described at all.
 

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It appears that you believe in annihilation which is another false doctrine.
False doctrine???!!! "The wages of sin is death!" Death means annihilation.
You should read Revelation 14:9-11 and Revelation 20:10 which describe the lake of fire as a place of eternal torment.
God does not wish anyone to perish but man is accountable for his sins. God's love and grace shines through even for the wicked.

I've always taught and maintained in these forums that the "Lake of Fire" is a "condition" rather than a "place."

Revelation 21:1, 4 reads:

1) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

4) And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

To God Be The Glory
 

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1. the resurrection is to a "spiritual body", NOT another flesh body.

2. the saints resurrected on the day of Christ's crucifixion were raised to the "spiritual body", NOT new flesh bodies.

3. Hebrews 9:27 tells us that it is appointed unto men to die ONCE, not twice. If the saints raised at Christ's crucifixion that went into Jerusalem and were seen by many were raised to FLESH BODIES, then they would have had to die TWICE, not once like the Scripture states.

4. the 'change' at the future "last trump" (last day) which Apostle Paul taught is also to the "spiritual body" of the resurrection. It is NOT a new flesh body. It is a glorious body, the "image of the heavenly" which Apostle Paul also used to describe it in that 1 Corinthians 15 chapter.

5. that 'change' of all those still alive on earth will be for ALL nations and peoples on earth, not just those in Christ Jesus. (See Isaiah 25 about death swallowed up in victory. It is for all nations at Christ's return).

6. Like Jesus showed in John 5:28-29, all will come forth out of their graves unto either the "resurrection of life", or the "resurrection of damnation".

7. the "resurrection of damnation" means a resurrection to the "spiritual body" also. The resurrection is... to the "spiritual body" type.

8. the wicked "resurrection of damnation", will STILL... be subject to perish at the "second death", even though they too will put on the "spiritual body" type per 1 Cor.15.

9. thus the "spiritual body" change does NOT mean automatic Salvation. Each one's SOUL must also... "put on immortality" in Christ Jesus to NOT be subject to the "second death".

10. the "second death" is about the destruction into the future "lake of fire" of one's 'spiritual body' with 'mortal soul'. Remember, the "resurrection of damnation" Jesus pointed to is ALSO to the "spiritual body", which is the type body for the resurrection. If it was not, then Jesus was not call it a "resurrection". But the unsaved will still have a liable to perish mortal soul. This is what Jesus pointed to also in Matt.10:28 of fearing The Father Who can destroy body body (spirit body) and soul in the lake of fire (Greek geena).

11. In 1 Corinthians 15, Apostle Paul called the "spiritual body" type also as the "image of the heavenly". (1 Cor.15:49).

12. the "image of the heavenly" is a body type for the Heavenly dimension, like the angels have. (Mark 12:25).

13. the "image of the earthy" Paul mentioned in 1 Cor.15:48 is about a flesh body for this present world time.

14. the "image of the heavenly", the "spiritual body", is a body for the world to come, and can exist in the Heavenly dimension and the earthly dimension at the same time, just as God's Word showed with Christ and the two angels He sent to Lot, per Genesis 18 & 19.

15. the future world to come is going to be the Heavenly dimension joined right here on this earth, together as one existence. This is how The Father will eventually return to this earth also, bringing His Garden of Eden with Him.

Well said (enough).

There is a dimensional aspect here that I might add, which is: As time ticks in this world but not in eternity, in the transition between the two, "future" only describes one side of the equation...and is only "future" for those who have not yet passed from death to life. This is why much of what pertains to present and future saints is not in error but rightly written in past tense, such as we "were" crucified with Christ, etc..

But whether speaking of bodies of flesh or spirit, or of time and eternity, it is beyond most to grasp while whirling through would-be space with their feet on would-be solid ground, while would-be time yet ticks. ;)
 

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We don't know what type of body we believers in Christ will have in the age of the resurrection, but we do know it will be like unto His glorious body, for we shall see Him as He is. It will be glorious like His own body. I also have thought we will be like the angels, their equal, and they and Christ who can appear as a body of substance and disappear at will. And also move very fast.

Luke 20
34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:

35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Romans 8
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Hebrews 2

10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both He who [g]sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 saying:

“I will declare Your name to My brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will sing praise to You.”
13 And again:

“I will put My trust in Him.”
And again:

“Here am I and the children whom God has given Me.”
14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For indeed He does not [h]give aid to angels, but He does [i]give aid to the seed of Abraham. 17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that He Himself has suffered, being [j]tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.
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See there is this connection of family between Christ, God and the children God gives to Christ, that they are all of one.
Christ conformed Himself to our lowly bodies in His first advent, and at His second advent, the return of Christ, we will be conformed to His glorious Self. You can see the sharing here.
 

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Philippians 3
20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.
 

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Luke 20
34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:

35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
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All are resurrected, the wicked and the just.

The wicked though do not have a resurrection to life. The 'resurrection from the dead' that Christ tells us of does not include those that are dead in their sins, they have a different kind of resurrected still dead body, certainly not to be like His, what we will have, and not like the angels of God have. They never have life, they have the resurrection of condemnation, and they are thrown into the Lake of Fire along with Hell and the fallen angels by God's angels. They are marked for death by their resurrection of condemnation type of body. What a job.
 

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Those who hate their brother(s) abide in death. John also makes this comparison using Cain and Able.
You either abide forever with life eternal, or you abide in God's wrath, destruction and death.

John 3:36
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

John 5
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation

1 John 2
And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.

Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.

But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

And now, little children, abide in Him, that when He appears, we may have confidence and not be ashamed before Him at His coming.

We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother abides in death.
 

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The White Throne Judgement, they are dead, but they are all resurrected as they are standing before God. This would be the resurrection of condemnation. Dead, and come under judgement, they are being judged by their works, deeds, by all the things they did, written down in books. Everything these dead did was recorded for this Day of Judgement. And all present get to hear what they did, nothing is hidden, the books are opened.

11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before [c]God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second [d]death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
 

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We don't know what type of body we believers in Christ will have in the age of the resurrection, but we do know it will be like unto His glorious body, for we shall see Him as He is. It will be glorious like His own body. I also have thought we will be like the angels, their equal, and they and Christ who can appear as a body of substance and disappear at will. And also move very fast.
That above is bad... wording of the actual Scripture...

1 John 3:2
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
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John was pointing to the present, with not yet knowing what we shall be. He did NOT say we don't know what kind of body we will have in the resurrection! WHATEVER TRANSLATION YOU USED IS FALSE, AND THEY ADDED THAT PART IN RED.

And because Apostle John made that comparison with the type body of this present word in comparison with Jesus' resurrected body, it means John KNEW the two bodies are DIFFERENT. So out the window goes those who think the future resurrection type body is new flesh body, or their old one refurbished (which is an old Jewish Old Testament doctrine).

See there is this connection of family between Christ, God and the children God gives to Christ, that they are all of one.
Christ conformed Himself to our lowly bodies in His first advent, and at His second advent, the return of Christ, we will be conformed to His glorious Self. You can see the sharing here.

But that does not mean we are going to get new flesh bodies.

Per 1 Corinthians 15, Apostle Paul DEFINED what TYPE of body the future resurrection is. It is to a "spiritual body" Paul said. And in 1 Cor.15:50, Paul said "flesh and blood" cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
 

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That above is bad... wording of the actual Scripture...

1 John 3:2
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
KJV


John was pointing to the present, with not yet knowing what we shall be. He did NOT say we don't know what kind of body we will have in the resurrection! WHATEVER TRANSLATION YOU USED IS FALSE, AND THEY ADDED THAT PART IN RED.

And because Apostle John made that comparison with the type body of this present word in comparison with Jesus' resurrected body, it means John KNEW the two bodies are DIFFERENT. So out the window goes those who think the future resurrection type body is new flesh body, or their old one refurbished (which is an old Jewish Old Testament doctrine).



But that does not mean we are going to get new flesh bodies.

Per 1 Corinthians 15, Apostle Paul DEFINED what TYPE of body the future resurrection is. It is to a "spiritual body" Paul said. And in 1 Cor.15:50, Paul said "flesh and blood" cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
We really do not know what type of body we will have, you just don't like the way I said that. I am not referring to getting a flesh and blood body, nor the nature of it, but the actual body God will give to us at that time. And you don't and can't know either, what it actually looks like, is, or what it can do. That is what I am referring to. No one knows but God and Christ because so far only Christ has been resurrected and glorified as not a single person in heaven has their resurrection body yet.

They are all right now just the spirits of just men perfected and the heavenly Jerusalem is still in heaven read about that in Hebrews 12

The spiritual body they have now is not the final glorified body, as they have not yet been resurrected.

Ask yourself when does the resurrection happen...
 
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By the way saying the resurrection is past is a false teaching.
2 Timothy 2
17 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of [a]Christ depart from iniquity.”

All those who are in heaven with Christ are still awaiting the resurrection to come, when they will get their glorified body. The glorified body is a spiritual body, not flesh and blood. But whatever spiritual body they have now in heaven is not fully complete, as they do not yet have their resurrected body.
 

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We really do not know what type of body we will have, you just don't like the way I said that. I am not referring to getting a flesh and blood body, nor the nature of it, but the actual body God will give to us at that time. And you don't and can't know either, what it actually looks like, is, or what it can do. That is what I am referring to. No one knows but God and Christ because so far only Christ has been resurrected and glorified as not a single person in heaven has their resurrection body yet.

They are all right now just the spirits of just men perfected and the heavenly Jerusalem is still in heaven read about that in Hebrews 12

The spiritual body they have now is not the final glorified body, as they have not yet been resurrected.

Ask yourself when does the resurrection happen...
You only show your Biblical illiteracy with the above. Apostle Paul described the type body of the world to come, and it is not ONLY about a resurrection. Or didn't you actually read the following...

1 Cor 15:49-53
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy,
we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery;
We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

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In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
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Since Paul was speaking of the future resurrection body 'type' being a "spiritual body", and even called it "the image of the heavenly", what is that, meaning, how does it relate to "the heavenly"? That you obviously have not yet understood, because those who do NOT "sleep" that are also... "changed" at the "last trump", get the same "spiritual body" as those resurrected.

Know what else? So do the wicked of the "resurrection of damnation" get the same "spiritual body" on that day of the resurrection. Afterall, they are RESURRECTED too, according to Jesus in John 5:28-29. So what's the difference with those and Christ's elect then? That is what your heeding men's traditions instead has done to you, tied your mind to their limited tether.
 

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You only show your Biblical illiteracy with the above. Apostle Paul described the type body of the world to come, and it is not ONLY about a resurrection. Or didn't you actually read the following...

1 Cor 15:49-53
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy,
we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery;
We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
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Since Paul was speaking of the future resurrection body 'type' being a "spiritual body", and even called it "the image of the heavenly", what is that, meaning, how does it relate to "the heavenly"? That you obviously have not yet understood, because those who do NOT "sleep" that are also... "changed" at the "last trump", get the same "spiritual body" as those resurrected.

Know what else? So do the wicked of the "resurrection of damnation" get the same "spiritual body" on that day of the resurrection. Afterall, they are RESURRECTED too, according to Jesus in John 5:28-29. So what's the difference with those and Christ's elect then? That is what your heeding men's traditions instead has done to you, tied your mind to their limited tether.
Only believers get a glorified body
Romans 8
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

Philippians 3
20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.

You however from your first post say unbelievers get the same glorified body, Your ideas have no merit.
 

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Only believers get a glorified body
How would you know, since you do not really believe what Apostle Paul taught?

You're only listening to doctrines of men from the preachers you're heeding instead of studying The Word of God for yourself and using the mind which God gave you.

The body type Apostle Paul described in 1 Corinthians 15 is the "spiritual body". He showed it is also the body type of the resurrection.

Jesus speaking:
John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which
all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
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What KIND of body are those of the "resurrection of damnation" going to have when the above happens? Tell me smart guy.
 

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Philippians 3
20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.

Only Christians get this new glorified body and it happens at Christ's return. Christ's return is the Last Day and the day of the resurrection.

That is what raise him up means. And that promise here is spoken only to believers, the ones God gave to Christ to be saved. Only they get glorified bodies. This is the resurrection to life.

35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will [f]by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
 

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Luke 20
35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

Only those worthy to attain that age (world) and the resurrection from the dead too are sons of God
This is ONLY for believers, unbelieving are not and never are sons of God, NOT SONS of the RESURRECTION.
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The unbelieving experience a different kind of resurrection, it is not a resurrection from the dead as
Christ says they are not worthy of 'resurrection from the dead'.

Simply it is the resurrection of condemnation to death. From death to death in the Lake of Fire.
 

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The promises of receiving a glorified body in1 Corinthians 15 is only for BELIEVERS in Christ, no one else. ONLY for the saved, Paul makes that clear in the first sentence

Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

WE, the audience of Paul to whom Paul wrote this letter, to the church, the saved are the only ones changed.

. 51 Behold, I tell you a [m]mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed

The unbelieving are not raised incorruptible, they are corrupted, in hell fire and the second death in the lake of fire they are being consumed as they remain corruptible, as they are dead.
 
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1. the resurrection is to a "spiritual body", NOT another flesh body.

2. the saints resurrected on the day of Christ's crucifixion were raised to the "spiritual body", NOT new flesh bodies.

3. Hebrews 9:27 tells us that it is appointed unto men to die ONCE, not twice. If the saints raised at Christ's crucifixion that went into Jerusalem and were seen by many were raised to FLESH BODIES, then they would have had to die TWICE, not once like the Scripture states.

4. the 'change' at the future "last trump" (last day) which Apostle Paul taught is also to the "spiritual body" of the resurrection. It is NOT a new flesh body. It is a glorious body, the "image of the heavenly" which Apostle Paul also used to describe it in that 1 Corinthians 15 chapter.

5. that 'change' of all those still alive on earth will be for ALL nations and peoples on earth, not just those in Christ Jesus. (See Isaiah 25 about death swallowed up in victory. It is for all nations at Christ's return).

6. Like Jesus showed in John 5:28-29, all will come forth out of their graves unto either the "resurrection of life", or the "resurrection of damnation".

7. the "resurrection of damnation" means a resurrection to the "spiritual body" also. The resurrection is... to the "spiritual body" type.

8. the wicked "resurrection of damnation", will STILL... be subject to perish at the "second death", even though they too will put on the "spiritual body" type per 1 Cor.15.

9. thus the "spiritual body" change does NOT mean automatic Salvation. Each one's SOUL must also... "put on immortality" in Christ Jesus to NOT be subject to the "second death".

10. the "second death" is about the destruction into the future "lake of fire" of one's 'spiritual body' with 'mortal soul'. Remember, the "resurrection of damnation" Jesus pointed to is ALSO to the "spiritual body", which is the type body for the resurrection. If it was not, then Jesus was not call it a "resurrection". But the unsaved will still have a liable to perish mortal soul. This is what Jesus pointed to also in Matt.10:28 of fearing The Father Who can destroy body body (spirit body) and soul in the lake of fire (Greek geena).

11. In 1 Corinthians 15, Apostle Paul called the "spiritual body" type also as the "image of the heavenly". (1 Cor.15:49).

12. the "image of the heavenly" is a body type for the Heavenly dimension, like the angels have. (Mark 12:25).

13. the "image of the earthy" Paul mentioned in 1 Cor.15:48 is about a flesh body for this present world time.

14. the "image of the heavenly", the "spiritual body", is a body for the world to come, and can exist in the Heavenly dimension and the earthly dimension at the same time, just as God's Word showed with Christ and the two angels He sent to Lot, per Genesis 18 & 19.

15. the future world to come is going to be the Heavenly dimension joined right here on this earth, together as one existence. This is how The Father will eventually return to this earth also, bringing His Garden of Eden with Him.
When Christ was speaking to His disciples, Jesus said:

Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go that I may awake him out of sleep. Then said his disciples, if he sleep he shall do well. Howbeit, Jesus spoke of his death; but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. John 11:11-14 King James Version (KJV)

The disciples were confused and thought Christ meant natural sleep, but He meant the sleep of death.
On His arrival Jesus found that Lazarus had already been four days in the tomb. John 11:17 King James Version (KJV)

While conversing with Martha, He tried to comfort her by saying,
'Thy brother shall rise again.' Martha saith unto him, 'I know that He shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.' John 11:23,24 King James Version (KJV)

Martha knew that life would be restored to Lazarus only in the resurrection at the last day. Jesus demonstrated through the resurrection of Lazarus that He was the One who could resurrect the dead according to His claim:

John 11:25 King James Version (KJV)
I am the resurrection and the life.

So how was Lazarus resurrected, as a spirit or 'spirit body', of course not, he was brought up as flesh and blood the same as he went down to the grave, and so we who have died will be resurrected at the end.
 

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1 Corinthians 13:12
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known .

There are several indications in Scripture that we will maintain our identity in heaven and, thus, be recognizable to our loved ones and they to us. For example, Jesus makes it a point in Matthew 22:31-32 that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were alive and existing as individuals by those names.

In Matthew 17:1-8, Peter, James and John recognized Moses and Elijah. In 1 Thessalonians 2:19-20 Paul expects to recognize in heaven the Thessalonian Christians to whom he had ministered on earth ;see a similar situation in 2 Corinthians 1:14.

We know death of the body brings decay of the body, it cannot be otherwise. In the end these vessels return to clay from whence they came.

I do believe in the resurrection of God to judgement of all, even the unbelievers, rejectors, deniers, evil, ECT, all will have a "new" body. Some to everlasting life, some to everlasting damnation; neither will be extinguished, nor be annihilated, but all will receive the everlasting of their reward!