The Sinner Must Decide? - Excerpt from J. Preston Eby

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The Sinner Must Decide​

Excerpt from J. Preston Eby

Strange as it may seem there are many
today who insist that they believe in salvation by grace,
yet they insist that man has the power to "make a
decision for Christ." They argue that "God
loves everyone, equally and alike," yet they are
sure that He is going to send some people to hell forever.

They affirm that the Bible teaches that the Creator
of all things is surely omnipotent, but they are
also quite confident that finite man is fully capable of
obstructing the will of God. In nearly every case the
problem lies in the fact that these dear people do not
know Bible truth. They have heard nothing from their
pulpits but "plan of salvation" sermons minus
the wonderful truths which make up the plan! If they were
asked to explain the meaning of such doctrines as
redemption, propitiation, reconciliation, remission, and
atonement, they would either mutter trivia or be
absolutely speechless. Why? Because they have never been
taught, nor have they had the spiritual vigor necessary
to discover for themselves, what Scripture actually
teaches about the work of Christ. There is one thing they
hold in common: the confidence that man can use his own
"positive volition" or "free will" to accept Christ and get himself "saved."

"The Bible plainly teaches that fallen man is blinded to the truth;
the soulish man receives not the things of the Spirit of God, for they
are foolishness unto him, neither can he know them
because they are spiritually discerned, and the soulish
man has not the Spirit. Thus the sinner does not realize
and appreciate the value of the salvation that is offered
to him. In the first place, he does not know that he is lost,
and hence feels no need of salvation. Secondly,
this sinner does not know that the salvation offered him
in Christ is worth anything. All he has to go by in
determining its worth is the lives of those who profess
to possess it, and they for the most part, are very
deficient illustrations of its merit. Furthermore the
sinner is surrounded by circumstances entirely adverse to
his acceptance of Christ. And finally, worse than all,
'the mind of the flesh,' a corrupt nature, an 'evil heart
of unbelief,' a 'body of death,' that leans toward the
bad and opposes the good continually; and mark you, all
these things are circumstances over which the individual
has no control and for which he is not to blame.

"Again, mark you, that if he overcomes these
unfavorable circumstances and in spite of
them does accept Christ, it must be by some power
OUTSIDE OF HIMSELF, for in himself he would never have
any power for his own deliverance. This is the teaching of the
seventh chapter of Romans. God must deliver him if he is
delivered at all! He must bring him to a knowledge of his
lost condition, so that he will feel his need of a Saviour,
and He must give him repentance and faith. God
must open his eyes so that he shall not only see the
need, but also the priceless value of salvation, that
like the apostle Paul, he will be willing to count all
thing but dross for the excellency of the
knowledge of Christ Jesus his Lord.

Someone will ask,
"Will God save men eventually against their will?"
The answer is no! He will have to need to do that,
for all men will be one hundred percent
willing when God reveals Himself to them. Then the eyes
of the blind shall be opened, the ears of the deaf shall
be unstopped, and the doors of the prison house shall be opened.

We have only to consider the case of Saul of Tarsus to
understand the miraculous power of the Lord to
change the leopard's spots and melt the heart of stone.

There are those who suppose that God could not convert a
soul unless that depraved and lost soul gives to almighty
God that permission. I only wish they would ask the
apostle Paul, that great despiser of Christ and hater of
His Church, that persecutor of Christians, who while on
his way to Damascus was suddenly cast to the ground and
converted. No man was ever more hateful toward Christ
than was Saul of Tarsus, yet, when his turn came to see
the light, he changed in an instant, crying out in fear
and trembling and with bitter repentance,
"Who art You, Lord?" and "What will You have me to do?"

Did God ask Saul of Tarsus whether or not he
wanted to be saved? Or did He say to Ananias,
"He is a chosen vessel unto Me to bear My name before
the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel" (Acts 9:15)?
It is only God who can change the human heart,
and when God wills to change every single human heart
in earth and in hell, each will be changed in an instant.

Some suppose that God is desperately trying to
convert every human being in the world ...
ah, but He cannot do it, because mighty man,
sovereign man, will not allow it! Jehovah
does all of His pleasure. As I have purposed
so shall it come to pass," says the Lord.

Where do these man-made preachers
get the notion that man is a FREE MORAL AGENT?
Indeed, he may be free in some
minor things that concern his personal conduct, but
concerning God's eternal purpose for him HE IS NOT FREE
to do his own will, for "it is NOT OF HIM THAT WILLS
or HIM THAT RUNS, BUT GOD THAT SHOWS MERCY" (Rom. 9:16).

God in His great mercy has condescended to extend
mercy to all men, He sent His Son to die for all men, to
redeem all men, to reconcile all back to God, and in due
time He sent also His Holy Spirit to invincibly draw them
unto Himself. In the day of the power of God, men are
made willing and, having been quickened by that Spirit,
renewed in mind, having been given a heart of flesh, they
do come most willingly, having been made willing
BY HIS POWER. What an exalted view is this of our
OMNIPOTENT GOD AND SAVIOR!

Source: Man Is A Free Moral Agent: Just What Do You Mean Man is A Free Moral Agent; The Sinner Must Decide; The Shepherd Seeks The Sheep; The Will Of Man; I Will Draw All Men Unto Me; By One Man

Another challenge to the idea that those of humankind are free moral agents in reference to their salvation.
Comments and discussion welcome. Thanks.
 

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God is not willing that any perish but you are free to choose to reject God's love and go to hell =your choice! John 3:16
 

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God is not willing that any perish but you are free to choose to reject God's love and go to hell =your choice! John 3:16
Where does the Bible say that "you are free to choose to reject God's love and go to hell"?

God loved the world so much... he gave...

Frankly, despite what we have been taught, no one could either reject God's love, or choose to go to hell.

Anyone who claims to hate God, hasn't met him yet.

Furthermore, Jesus taught us that it is godly behavior to love our enemies.
That being the case, what will God do with his so-called enemies?
Does God operate at a lower standard than he holds us to?
 
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God is not willing that any perish but you are free to choose to reject God's love and go to hell =your choice! John 3:16
Since when does the will of humankind have more power than God's will?
May his will be done, on earth as it is in heaven... or what?
 

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Joshua 24:15 NKJV And if it seems evil to you to serve the LORD, ""choose"" for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.”

Joshua 24:15 NKJV

 

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Since when does the will of humankind have more power than God's will?
May his will be done, on earth as it is in heaven... or what?
God gave man choice and the earth to rule but man gave satan rule!!!

Deuteronomy 30:19 ESV / 52 helpful votes​

I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live,

John 15:16 ESV / 51 helpful votes​

You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.

Joshua 24:15 ESV / 48 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”
 
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Delegated authority - and the responsibility thereof?

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The balance between God's sovereignty and Human responsibility is an old debate in Reformed circles.
 
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Since when does the will of humankind have more power than God's will?
That is not even the issue. It is a RED HERRING. To believe on the Lord Jesus Christ is a decision. And that is how God has ordained the preaching of the Gospel.
 

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Joshua 24:15 NKJV And if it seems evil to you to serve the LORD, ""choose"" for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.”

Joshua 24:15 NKJV

That does not say, "you are free to choose to reject God's love and go to hell =your choice!"
 

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God gave man choice and the earth to rule but man gave satan rule!!!

Deuteronomy 30:19 ESV / 52 helpful votes​

I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live,

John 15:16 ESV / 51 helpful votes​

You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.

Joshua 24:15 ESV / 48 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”
That does not say, "you are free to choose to reject God's love and go to hell =your choice!" Try again.
 

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That is not even the issue. It is a RED HERRING. To believe on the Lord Jesus Christ is a decision. And that is how God has ordained the preaching of the Gospel.
Are you claiming that the sinner decides their destiny without the wooing of the Spirit?
Or that God will save only the Elect, thus predestining the rest (vast majority) to eternal destruction?
 

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From the OP.
Strange as it may seem there are many
today who insist that they believe in salvation by grace,
yet they insist that man has the power to "make a
decision for Christ." They argue that "God
loves everyone, equally and alike," yet they are
sure that He is going to send some people to hell forever.
1) Is salvation by grace?
2) Does man have the power to nullify that grace?
3) Does God love everyone equally?
4) Is hell the default destination, unless man intervenes?
5) Does the sinner decide their destiny?
6) Is God powerless to stop them?
7) Is the salvation of the Narrow Gate a high-stakes game won only by the "few" who "find it"?
 

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What is the TRUE gospel in your view?
JOHN 3:THE TRUE GOSPEL: "THAT THE WORLD THROUGH HIM MIGHT BE SAVED"
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God...

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
 

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Are you claiming that the sinner decides their destiny without the wooing of the Spirit?
Or that God will save only the Elect, thus predestining the rest (vast majority) to eternal destruction?
When the Gospel is preached -- which is "the power of God unto salvation" -- then the Holy Spirit convicts, convinces, and draws the sinner to the Savior. But that person must still make the decision to obey the Gospel (repentance toward God and faith toward the Lord Jesus Christ). God does not predestine anyone to salvation or damnation.
 
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When the Gospel is preached -- which is "the power of God unto salvation" -- then the Holy Spirit convicts, convinces, and draws the sinner to the Savior. But that person must still make the decision to obey the Gospel (repentance toward God and faith toward the Lord Jesus Christ). God does not predestine anyone to salvation or damnation.
correct that is calvinism and not taught in scripture and it makes a mockery out of the gospel and Gods love for every sinner.
 
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"""THINK"" and try to use understanding when you read God's Word!!!
Fair enough.
Are you calling an English translation of the Bible (none of which agree) "God's Word"?

I think you haven't answered my first question. Here it is again.
Where does the Bible say that "you are free to choose to reject God's love and go to hell"?
 

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JOHN 3:THE TRUE GOSPEL: "THAT THE WORLD THROUGH HIM MIGHT BE SAVED"
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God...

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Is that supposed to be good news? Gospel = good news.

John 12:32 NIV
And I, when I am lifted up[a] from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”