The Ten Commandments—What happened?

[Cooper]

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That has nothing to do with anything. Christians look to the Saviour of the world and the day He rose from the dead. To worship a false god on satanalia (spelling) day is the act of blindness.

 

[Brakelite]

The SDA will back off for the bluffs like Cooper. Anyone would have known.

No. Still here. Sometimes though you have to back off a little so as not to draw others into sin in defending themselves. He has already called the Sabbath Satan's day. By promoting theistic evolution he has suggested that God used death as a means to create. Denies the fall. Denies sin and it's consequences. Jumping up and down on him with scripture and argument may do more harm than good. So no, not running away, but we love the guy don't we? No condemnation... No insulting... Patience brother. Patience.

 

[Brakelite]

Saturday.... Saturn

The Israelite were into paganism.
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Saturday... Saturnalia etc, were indeed pagan references to the 7th day. Just as Sunday is. But a very long time before paganism invented false gods the Creator of all there is, the Son of God Jesus, created all things in six literal days and in resting on the seventh blessed, sanctified, and made that day holy. Saturnalia... Saturday etc were later inventions to counter the truth of God's true Sabbath day.

 

[Cooper]

Saturday... Saturnalia etc, were indeed pagan references to the 7th day. Just as Sunday is. But a very long time before paganism invented false gods the Creator of all there is, the Son of God Jesus, created all things in six literal days and in resting on the seventh blessed, sanctified, and made that day holy. Saturnalia... Saturday etc were later inventions to counter the truth of God's true Sabbath day.

If I go onto my other computer instead of this tablet, I can give you a proper answer. Suffice it to say, it took millions of years for water to gouge out the Grand Canyon, it takes millions of years for coal to form, there were several ice-ages, early man lived in caves while Cain was building a walled city, early men were hunter gatherers while one son of Adam was a farmer and the other was a shepherd. They were playing the harp and the flute and making fire. This was an advanced society with people living in other lands, long before, Adam and Eve of the Bible. I forgot to say it can take billions of years for light from the stars to reach earth.

Let people believe what they want, why should I care.
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[GerhardEbersoehn]

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

No. Still here. Sometimes though you have to back off a little so as not to draw others into sin in defending themselves. He has already called the Sabbath Satan's day. By promoting theistic evolution he has suggested that God used death as a means to create. Denies the fall. Denies sin and it's consequences. Jumping up and down on him with scripture and argument may do more harm than good. So no, not running away, but we love the guy don't we? No condemnation... No insulting... Patience brother. Patience.

You are a MUCH better Christian than I am, the Lord loves me is all I know and that HE HATES MY SINS.

 

[Cooper]

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Your attachment proves how far away you are from the truth

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

If I go onto my other computer instead of this tablet, I can give you a proper answer. Suffice it to say, it took millions of years for water to gouge out the Grand Canyon, it takes millions of years for coal to form, there were several ice-ages, early man lived in caves while Cain was building a walled city, early men were hunter gatherers while one son of Adam was a farmer and the other was a shepherd. They were playing the harp and the flute and making fire. This was an advanced society with people living in other lands, long before, Adam and Eve of the Bible. I forgot to say it can take billions of years for light from the stars to reach earth.

Let people believe what they want, why should I care.
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Gaaaaap ... the troll ... gaaaap

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Your attachment proves how far away you are from the truth

Troll

 

[Cooper]

Gaaaaap ... the troll ... gaaaap

You need an education.

 

[BOWnQUIVER]

Yes, the names Joshua and Jesus are interchangeable, but what you are biased about is identifying the Son of God as not giving us rest, instead of the actual individual, Joshua, and talking about the Promised Land. That is not just ignorance, but willful bias against Jesus. You are calling Him a liar when He said "Come unto Me all ye who are heavy laden and I will give you REST." Jesus wasn't in the promised land with Joshua, and the children of Israel rebelled against God. They did not enter into His REST. But now through Jesus we can boldly enter the throne of Grace.

Well, thanks for your opinion but i will believe whats written in the bible rather than you. Have a wonderful sabbath day.

 

[Cooper]

Well, thanks for your opinion but i will believe whats written in the bible rather than you. Have a wonderful sabbath day.

CL is right.

 

[BOWnQUIVER]

Yes, the commandments of Jesus go deeper to the core of our being, but what Colossians 2 is actually saying which corresponds to Romans 6 is:

Colossians 2:
14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
[/USER]

The bible does NOT say requirements. Does your book stick in the word requirements every where you find the word "ordinances" in the bible? What a shame!

COL.2 [14] Blotting out THE HANDWRITING OF ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;[15] And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.[16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:[17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Jesus blotted out “only” the handwriting of the ordinances.

2 KINGS 17 [36] But the LORD, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt with great power and a stretched out arm, him shall ye fear, and him shall ye worship, and to him shall ye do sacrifice.[37] And the statutes, AND the ordinances, AND the law, AND the commandment, which he wrote for you, ye shall observe to do for evermore; and ye shall not fear other gods.

Does your book say requirements where the bible says ordinaces in above scripture? “Many” have come in the name of Christ and would have you to believe the law, the ordinances and the commandments are all lumped together as one. They do this so they can point out a scripture which talking about the law of circumcision (which was nailed to the cross) and then apply that scripture to the ten commandments. But as you can see in above scripture, the ordinances, the law, and the commandments are all separate. And it was not the law nor the ten commandments that Jesus nailed to the cross. It was the law contained in the ordinances.

EXODUS 12 [11] And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is THE LORD'S PASSOVER. [12] For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the Lord. [13] And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt. [14] And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the Lord throughout your generations; ye shall keep it A FEAST BY AN ORDINANCE FOR EVER.

Theres one of the feast days (holy days) which are to be kept by ordinance. The Lords passover

NUMBERS 28 [16] And in the fourteenth day of the first month is THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD. [17] And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten. [18] In the first day shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein: [19] But ye shall offer a sacrifice made by fire for a burnt offering unto the Lord; two young bullocks, and one ram, and seven lambs of the first year: they shall be unto you without blemish: [20] And their MEAT OFFERING shall be of flour mingled with oil: three tenth deals shall ye offer for a bullock, and two tenth deals for a ram; [21] A several tenth deal shalt thou offer for every lamb, throughout the seven lambs: [22] And one goat for a sin offering, to make an atonement for you. [23] Ye shall offer these beside the burnt offering in the morning, which is for a continual burnt offering. [24] After this manner ye shall offer daily, throughout the seven days, the meat of the sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord: it shall be offered beside the continual burnt offering, and his DRINK OFFERING.

Here we see the Lords passover and the meat and drink offering which are in the handwriting of that ordinance

HEBREWS 9 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary...... [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

 

[BOWnQUIVER]

It is important to notice that Jesus did not say that the law would never pass away. He said it would not pass away till all was fulfilled. Jesus fulfilled the law on the cross.

MATT.5 [17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Your saying the heavens and the earth have passed? YIKES!!!!! What am i standing on???

 

[Cooper]

MATT.5 [17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Your saying the heavens and the earth have passed? YIKES!!!!! What am i standing on???

The unbeliever is always under the law for as long as heaven and earth remain, but Jesus fulfilled the law of the Old Testament and those who accept Christ as their Saviour have been freed.

 

[BOWnQUIVER]

The law ended with the resurrection of Christ.......

Can your beliefs be found in the scriptures by looking at the followers of the RISEN Christ?

ACTS 18 [20] When they desired him to tarry longer time with them, he consented not; [21] But bade them farewell, saying, I MUST BY ALL MEANS KEEP THIS FEAST THAT COMETH IN JERUSALEM: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.

Not here. Here we find Paul keeping one of the feast days in Jersalem long after Christ had been crucified

1 COR. 5 [6] Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? [7] Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: [8] THEREFORE LET US KEEP THE FEAST, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

This also is after Christ had risen. They were still keeping the Feast of unleavened bread but not as they did before. Before Christ there was to be no leven in the house. After Christ was crucified the laws contained in the ordinances were nailed to the cross. So have yourself a peanut butter and jelly.

ACTS 17 [2] AND PAUL, AS HIS MANNER WAS, went in unto them, and three SABBATH DAYS reasoned with them out of the scriptures,[3] Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

Not here either. Paul as his manner was... still keeping the sabbath

ACTS 10 [11] And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: [12] Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. [13] And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. [14] BUT PETER SAID, NOT SO, LORD; FOR I HAVE NEVER EATEN ANY THING THAT IS COMMON OR UNCLEAN.

Once again, not here either. Peter refused to eat the unclean thing even after the risen Christ.

ACTS 10 [28] And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but GOD HATH SHEWED ME THAT I SHOULD NOT CALL ANY MAN COMMON OR UNCLEAN.

Verse 28 explains the great sheet. No man is now unclean

JOEL 1 [13] Gird yourselves, and lament, YE PRIESTS: howl, YE MINISTERS of the altar: come, lie all night in sackcloth, ye ministers of my God: for THE MEAT OFFERING AND THE DRINK OFFERING IS WITHHOLDEN FROM THE HOUSE OF YOUR GOD. [14] Sanctify ye a fast, call a solemn assembly, gather the elders and all the inhabitants of the land into the house of the Lord your God, and cry unto the Lord, [15] Alas for the day! for the day of the Lord is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.

Don’t look good for some, come the Day of the Lord. The meat and drink offerings {Col.2v16}

JOHN 6 [55] For MY FLESH IS MEAT INDEED, and MY BLOOD IS DRINK INDEED.

 

[BOWnQUIVER]

So if Jewish law has changed, why follow an obsolete law?

Verse 13- Hebrews 8 was written AFTER the crucified Christ and the scripture clearly says that the old covenant (10 commandments) is WAXING OLD and GETTING READY to vanish. Aint vanished yet!

HEBREWS 8 [13] In that he saith, A NEW COVENANT, HE HATH MADE THE FIRST OLD. NOW THAT WHICH DECAYETH AND WAXETH OLD IS READY TO VANISH AWAY.

The word obsolete is no where to be found in the bible.

 

[Cooper]

Can your beliefs be found in the scriptures by looking at the followers of the RISEN Christ?

ACTS 18 [20] When they desired him to tarry longer time with them, he consented not; [21] But bade them farewell, saying, I MUST BY ALL MEANS KEEP THIS FEAST THAT COMETH IN JERUSALEM: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.

Not here. Here we find Paul keeping one of the feast days in Jersalem long after Christ had been crucified

1 COR. 5 [6] Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? [7] Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: [8] THEREFORE LET US KEEP THE FEAST, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

This also is after Christ had risen. They were still keeping the Feast of unleavened bread but not as they did before. Before Christ there was to be no leven in the house. After Christ was crucified the laws contained in the ordinances were nailed to the cross. So have yourself a peanut butter and jelly.

ACTS 17 [2] AND PAUL, AS HIS MANNER WAS, went in unto them, and three SABBATH DAYS reasoned with them out of the scriptures,[3] Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

Not here either. Paul as his manner was... still keeping the sabbath

ACTS 10 [11] And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: [12] Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. [13] And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. [14] BUT PETER SAID, NOT SO, LORD; FOR I HAVE NEVER EATEN ANY THING THAT IS COMMON OR UNCLEAN.

Once again, not here either. Peter refused to eat the unclean thing even after the risen Christ.

ACTS 10 [28] And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but GOD HATH SHEWED ME THAT I SHOULD NOT CALL ANY MAN COMMON OR UNCLEAN.

Verse 28 explains the great sheet. No man is now unclean

JOEL 1 [13] Gird yourselves, and lament, YE PRIESTS: howl, YE MINISTERS of the altar: come, lie all night in sackcloth, ye ministers of my God: for THE MEAT OFFERING AND THE DRINK OFFERING IS WITHHOLDEN FROM THE HOUSE OF YOUR GOD. [14] Sanctify ye a fast, call a solemn assembly, gather the elders and all the inhabitants of the land into the house of the Lord your God, and cry unto the Lord, [15] Alas for the day! for the day of the Lord is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.

Don’t look good for some, come the Day of the Lord. The meat and drink offerings {Col.2v16}

JOHN 6 [55] For MY FLESH IS MEAT INDEED, and MY BLOOD IS DRINK INDEED.

Paul went to the feast in Jerusalem where everyone was gathered, so he could preach the gospel. He was coming to the end of his last missionary journey.

There is too much for me to deal with in one post and I am not feeling well. Give me your questions one at a time and I will answer them.

 

[BOWnQUIVER]

The unbeliever is always under the law for as long as heaven and earth remain........

Lets see if what you say is true Uh...cording to the scriptures

JUDE 1 [4] For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. [5] I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT, afterward DESTROYED THEM THAT BELIEVED NOT.

So who are these ungodly people who turned the GRACE of God into lasciviousness and who the Lord destroyed due to unbelief? Jude1 and Hebrews 3 and Zeke 20 are speaking of the same event. Alls we gotta do is go look at scripture that tells us why they were destroyed in the wilderness

HEBREWS 3 [12]Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you AN EVIL HEART OF UNBELIEF, in departing from the living God. [13] But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. [14] For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; [15] WHILE IT IS SAID, TO DAY IF YE WILL HEAR HIS VOICE, HARDEN NOT YOUR HEARTS, AS IN THE PROVOCATION. [16] For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came OUT OF EGYPT by Moses. [17] But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, WHOSE CARCASES FELL IN THE WILDERNESS? [18] And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? [19] So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief
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Scripture above (out of Egypt - into the wilderness - those that believed not - destroyed them)
Scripture below (out of Egypt - into the wilderness - polluted HIS SABBATHS - destroyed them)

EZEK.20 [10] Wherefore I caused them to go forth OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT, and brought them INTO THE WILDERNESS. [11] And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them.[12] Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.[13] But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and MY SABBATHS THEY GREATLY POLLUTED: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them IN THE WILDERNESS, TO CONSUME THEM.

There it is. They were destroyed in the wilderness because they were not keeping Gods sabbath day. Dont walk with an evil heart of unbelief {Hebrews3v12}.

Well Cooper....you sure did get that backwards

 

[Cooper]

Verse 13- Hebrews 8 was written AFTER the crucified Christ and the scripture clearly says that the old covenant (10 commandments) is WAXING OLD and GETTING READY to vanish. Aint vanished yet!

HEBREWS 8 [13] In that he saith, A NEW COVENANT, HE HATH MADE THE FIRST OLD. NOW THAT WHICH DECAYETH AND WAXETH OLD IS READY TO VANISH AWAY.

The word obsolete is no where to be found in the bible.

A law that has ended for the believer, is now obsolete as far as the believer is concerned. It has not ended for the person who rejects the finished work of Christ, hence my distinction. Please forgive my attempt at clarification.