The Ten Commandments—What happened?

[BarneyFife]

Do you believe all the feasts and holy convocations pointed in some way to Christ as the substance of the feast making them holy?

I do.

 

[CharismaticLady]

I do.

Do you keep the feasts?

 

[BarneyFife]

Do you keep the feasts?

Absolutely not.

 

[Josho]

When I was growing up in mid-20th century America, the ten commandments were the standard of morality for Christians. My Southern Baptist grandmother often asked me to mow her lawn (about an acre). But she would never allow me to do it on Sunday.

Lately, I'm hearing more and more about a doctrine which states that the ten commandments were nailed to the cross and that the Holy Spirit has replaced them. I recently asked my very aged father about this and he said that he'd never even heard of such a thing.

What happened?

I once heard a sermon that the 10 commandments can be summed up into Jesus's great commandment in the NT.

To Love thy Lord and Love thy neighbour as thyself.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Absolutely not.

Why not if you keep the Sabbath? Is it because the Sabbath was put in the middle of the Ten Commandments, making it a commandment? Why was this holy convocation from the list in Leviticus 23 put in the Commandments and not the other feasts. Why not all of them.

 

[CharismaticLady]

That's actually true, but He is literally infinitely more than that and to hint at pigeon-holing Him as such is infinitely inadequate and therefore insulting and possibly blasphemous. IOW I agree with you in principle. I would just add "merely" before "as a get out of jail free card."

Unfortunately many "Christians" only use Him as a "get out of jail free card." They don't believe if they love Him they will follow Him and KEEP His commandments. Matthew 7:21-23

John 15:
10 If you keep My commandments (1 John 3:23), you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments (Exodus 20) and abide in His love.

 

[BarneyFife]

Why not if you keep the Sabbath? Is it because the Sabbath was put in the middle of the Ten Commandments, making it a commandment? Why was this holy convocation from the list in Leviticus 23 put in the Commandments and not the other feasts. Why not all of them.

Because the rest of them were only meant to be useful until their Antitype came. The Sabbath commandment repeated in Leviticus 23 does not reduce it to a merely ceremonial type of Christ. Putting a temporary, liturgical element in the midst of an eternal moral code is a dirty trick that a just God would not pull on His children.

 

[BarneyFife]

I once heard a sermon that the 10 commandments can be summed up into Jesus's great commandment in the NT.

To Love thy Lord and Love thy neighbour as thyself.

See post #276

 

[BarneyFife]

Unfortunately many "Christians" only use Him as a "get out of jail free card." They don't believe if they love Him they will follow Him and KEEP His commandments. Matthew 7:21-23

John 15:
10 If you keep My commandments (1 John 3:23), you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments (Exodus 20) and abide in His love.

I and my Father are one.
(John 10:30)

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I'll pass on gracious lawlessness. Law-keeping merits nothing toward redemption. Zilch. And yet Paul says that only the doers of the law shall be justified (Romans 2:13). As CD Brooks used to preach: "Good works won't get you into Heaven but you ain't gettin' there without 'em!"

C D Brooks ? Why would His opinion matter? Salvation is a Gift. Anything that is “ worked for” is not a gift....these are facts — NOT an Opinion.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

See post #276

True! Thank God that we do not have to do those things to be Saved because nobody ever does it....

 

[BarneyFife]

C D Brooks ? Why would His opinion matter?

Because his "opinion" affirms the apostle's statement in Romans 2:13.

Salvation is a Gift.

No kidding

Anything that is “ worked for” is not a gift

I've already vehemently affirmed that salvation cannot be "worked for."

True! Thank God that we do not have to do those things to be Saved because nobody ever does it....

More preaching to the choir.
Except the last 5 words which could indicate "all-or-nothing" thinking which, if indulged extensively, can adversely affect mental health. Just sayin'.

 

[CharismaticLady]

I and my Father are one.
(John 10:30)

Yes, and even in the New Covenant commandments of the Spirit, 1 John 3:23 refers to that command as from the Father.

I love and respect your keeping the Sabbath from the Ten Commandments. As I said earlier, there are some who do not believe we are under ANY law, without even acknowledging the eternal laws being written on our hearts in the New Covenant of the Spirit. They I do not respect, and believe them to adhere to a doctrine of demons. It is better to keep both covenant laws (Ten Commandments, and belief in Jesus, and love your neighbor as yourself, than none at all, don't you think?

As Romans 14 says, we need to be convinced in our own mind, and NEVER go against our conscience that the Holy Spirit works through.

My belief is that keeping the laws of Jesus, 1 John 3:23, goes deeper than the Ten Commandment to the core of sin, and that the Sabbath, put in the middle of the Law, was as its sign, and was fulfilled and DOES point to our rest in Jesus, as He said, in Matthew 11:27-29, and that all holy convocations of Leviticus 23 point to Jesus until He fulfilled His mission. So it was only in effect until the Resurrection, and the beginning of the New Covenant. The sign of the New Covenant is the Cup, 1 Corinthians 11:25.

27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him. 28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

That is what I am convinced of, so we both are pleasing in His sight. 1 John 3:21-22.

 

[justbyfaith]

as He said, in Matthew 11:27-29,

I'm pretty sure you typed Matthew 11:28 - 30; but the Bible at these forums mits verse 30 so in typing Matthew 11:28 - 30, it automatically switched 30 to 29.

Here is the whole passage:

Mat 11:28, Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29, Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30, For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

 

[justbyfaith]

What seems to pass people's notice is that Paul's focus remains on one commandment only, not the entire law. God only changed one law. One law -- the Law concerning the atonement. Hebrews 7 is talking about the law concerning the high priest.

Remember? He tells you that it wasn't lawful for Jesus to serve as high priest while on earth. So Jesus was declared a high priest according to the order of Melchizedek. And he served as high priest in the heavenly temple, offering his own blood "once for all." As far as we know, the rest of the law remains unchanged.

It would seem that Jesus violated the letter of the sabbath laws in John 5:1-18 unless there was a change in the sabbath law. I would contend that the change in law that was instituted by Jesus had to do with making us no longer bound to the letter but obedient to the spirit of what is written.

In Exodus 20:10, it is clear that we are not to do any work on a sabbath day; but Jesus said, My Father worketh hiterto, and I work (John 5:17); and John under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit wrote that in this Jesus "brake the sabbath" (John 5:18)

The Command To Love God with “ALL” your heart... “ ALL” your mind and “ALL” of your soul ? Nope.Nobody But Jesus ever did this.Nobody But Jesus ever “will!”..... Grab hold of the Loophole....go with Grace.....Grace Plus Nothing....

Now, I know that I have not done so consistently; but I will say that he has shed abroad His love in my heart...and is His love anything less than with all the heart, soul, mind, and strength?

See Romans 5:5. This is a love that He gives to us and which we then exhibit to the world. Sometimes the flesh gets in the way of us expressing this love...but if we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of all the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).

 

[BarneyFife]

It is better to keep both covenant laws (Ten Commandments, and belief in Jesus, and love your neighbor as yourself, than none at all, don't you think?

Yes, but I do not grant that the ten commandments are exclusive to the old covenant, or separate from the two great commandments in any way.

My belief is that keeping the laws of Jesus, 1 John 3:23, goes deeper than the Ten Commandment to the core of sin, and that the Sabbath, put in the middle of the Law, was as its sign, and was fulfilled and DOES point to our rest in Jesus, as He said, in Matthew 11:27-29, and that all holy convocations of Leviticus 23 point to Jesus until He fulfilled His mission. So it was only in effect until the Resurrection, and the beginning of the New Covenant. The sign of the New Covenant is the Cup, 1 Corinthians 11:25.

You are certainly entitled to your belief. :)

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I do not grant that the ten commandments are exclusive to the old covenant, or separate from the two great commandments in any way.

Amen

The Ten Commandments don't belong to <<the old covenant>> which is the undertaking of man and ever must be a covenant according to the vain and unfaithful nature of man who took the oath of it--who is all of us. GOD NEVER MADE AN OLD COVENANT OR A NEW COVENANT THAT EVER WOULD OR COULD GROW OLD.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

In Exodus 20:10, it is clear that we are not to do any work on a sabbath day; but Jesus said, My Father worketh hiterto, and I work (John 5:17); and John under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit wrote that in this Jesus "brake the sabbath" (John 5:18)

What a LIE, claiming the hypocrite Pharisees spoke <<under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit>>... foolish blasphemy not worth analysis or critique it is so stupid.

"God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this Book if any man shall add", <John under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit wrote that in this Jesus "brake the sabbath" (John 5:18)>.

 

[justbyfaith]

What a LIE, claiming the hypocrite Pharisees spoke <<under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit>>... foolish blasphemy not worth analysis or critique it is so stupid.

"God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this Book if any man shall add", <John under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit wrote that in this Jesus "brake the sabbath" (John 5:18)>.

John is the one who wrote John 5:18; and he was not relating what the Pharisees thought but made it his own statement that Jesus "brake the sabbath". And yes, he was in fact speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost when he wrote this.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

ohn is the one who wrote John 5:18; and he was not relating what the Pharisees thought but made it his own statement that Jesus "brake the sabbath". And yes, he was in fact speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost when he wrote this.

Carry on ... can a man change his own nature? Rather is a leopard able to change into the impala he eats.