The TRUE Meaning Of The Little Horn Prophecy For the End

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Davy

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The statue of Daniel 2 is the blueprint for the rest of prophecy. Anything that is interpreted from later prophecies that disagree with the basic skeleton of history as revealed in Daniel 2 must be set aside until understanding harmonizes.
You're not actually saying much with the above. Bible Scripture that relates to each other between Books in God's Word does NOT limit one's correct interpretation with allowing God's Word to interpret God's Word. Misinterpretation actually happens most often by NOT allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture for us. So does the Book of Daniel relate to the Book of Revelation, and even Christ's Olivet discourse about the end of this world? You bet it does, and we can count on it.

Daniel 2, 7, and 8 all agree on the basic empirical nations that dominated the world. Babylon, Meda-Persia, Greece, and pagan Rome. After pagan Rome falls, we see in later history there's that union of iron and clay, and in Daniel 7, 11 horns growing from the head of pagan Rome. The question we need to settle before going off into tangents, is, 'what is the relation of the iron and clay, and does it parallel the horns from the 4th beast'?
The important part is the final beast kingdom, which is the one for the 'end' shown in Revelation 13:1, for that is the one that will be manifest in the day when Jesus returns in our near future. It is a 5th beast.

Dan 2:44-45
44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that
the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
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Count those pieces in red above. They are shown separately for a reason.
1. iron
2. brass
3. clay
4. silver
5. gold

That is FIVE beast kingdoms, with the final one as the 5th one for the end, and is the one we today are to be concerned with regarding Lord Jesus' future coming. That "stone" represents Lord Jesus Who will smite that final 5th beast when He comes, and will setup His everlasting Kingdom.

So QUIT just saying... that Final 5th Beast Kingdom is "pagan Rome", since the pagan Roman empire ended centuries ago, and those "ten horns" (ten kings) of both the Book of Daniel and the Book of Revelation have NEVER been established yet to this day, but will ONLY manifest at the very end of this world when the real Antichrist appears in JERUSALEM... and NOT in Rome!

(Something to note Brethren in Christ about these who today keep trying to 'use' the old Reformer's beliefs of the 16th-17th centuries about Rome and a pope being the Antichrist: they keep changing their story about the "ten horns" (ten kings) that manifest, some of them claiming they manifested as 10 nations under the old papal authority, and then some of them now changing their story, like Brakelite did, with saying they manifest at the end under a "pagan Rome", suggesting a revived Rome just like the Pagan Roman Empire of old! They just can't make up their minds, which is what men's doctrines always do, modifying their theories to try and make their baloney more flavorable.

Men's false Pre-trib Rapture theory actually has done this changing their story a lot over the years. When John Darby first taught a false pre-trib rapture, he pointed to it as being a 'secret rapture', that only those raptured would know. They steer away from that word 'secret' today, but still teach that idea indirectly, when they show people raptured and the unbelieving suddenly wonder what happened to them. That is how a hoax by men works. They have to keep changing their story to make their theory more tasty for the deceived.)
 
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then some of them now changing their story, like Brakelite did, with saying they manifest at the end under a "pagan Rome", suggesting a revived Rome just like the Pagan Roman Empire of old!
Where does Brakelite say that?

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You might also want to study what God said about the nation of Israel being established forever, per the Jeremiah 33:14-26 Scripture.
Matthew 21
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

That nation ain't the nation of Israel. :laughing:
 

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Thank you. Was wondering myself, but have posted so often couldn't be bothered searching for such an error on my part. Certainly nothing I've ever taught or believed... Except for when I was a Pentecostal in the late 70s.

I think the key word/phrase in the accusation is "just like."

We know that papal Rome, even now, retains many of the traits of pagan Rome, but the biggest and possibly most striking difference will be that she will, of obvious necessity, work out her will and way through another beast/nation (Daniel 7:23), according to Revelation 13:11-12.

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I think the key word/phrase in the accusation is "just like."

We know that papal Rome, even now, retains many of the traits of pagan Rome, but the biggest and possibly most striking difference will be that she will, of obvious necessity, work out her will and way through another beast/nation (Daniel7:23), according to Revelation 13:11-12.

The problem with Daniel 7:23 and Rev 13:11-12 is that these verses are not speaking of this present time but rather of a time over 1,000 years into our future when the imprisoned heavenly hosts, i.e., the beasts of Daniel 7:1-12, and the kings of the earth, who will be judged at Armageddon for their part in trampling God's sanctuary and earth Hosts and together they, the heavenly Hosts and the Kings of the earth, will be imprisoned for many days to await for the time of their punishment in around 20 years' time.

Trying to attach to entities within our present world to the outcome of events that will occur in the distant future is like trying to predict the outcome of a horse race 1,000 years into the future when we do not even know if horse races will be a thing at that time.

Does not scripture tell us not to worry about what might happen in the future, but to focus on the things that impact us today. The prominent dilemma that we need to focus on today is our righteous relationship with God at this present time and the things that will happen in the future we are to let God deal with.

Shalom
 

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The problem with Daniel 7:23 and Rev 13:11-12 is that these verses are not speaking of this present time but rather of a time over 1,000 years into our future when the imprisoned heavenly hosts, i.e., the beasts of Daniel 7:1-12, and the kings of the earth, who will be judged at Armageddon for their part in trampling God's sanctuary and earth Hosts and together they, the heavenly Hosts and the Kings of the earth, will be imprisoned for many days to await for the time of their punishment in around 20 years' time.

Trying to attach to entities within our present world to the outcome of events that will occur in the distant future is like trying to predict the outcome of a horse race 1,000 years into the future when we do not even know if horse races will be a thing at that time.

Does not scripture tell us not to worry about what might happen in the future, but to focus on the things that impact us today. The prominent dilemma that we need to focus on today is our righteous relationship with God at this present time and the things that will happen in the future we are to let God deal with.

Shalom

Well, I know this is a popular view with some, perhaps, but the Bible has other things to say about the matter. :)

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Well, I know this is a popular view with some, perhaps, but the Bible has other things to say about the matter. :)

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Really, Barneyfife, then why have you not spelt out the other things about the matter so that they can be tested.

All that you are saying is that what I posted is wrong without providing an alternative POV that may shed some light upon the matter.
 

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The problem with Daniel 7:23 and Rev 13:11-12 is that these verses are not speaking of this present time but rather of a time over 1,000 years into our future
The little horn in Daniel 7:27 wears out the saints for a time, times, half time.

In Revelaton13:5-7, the beast-king makes war against the saints to overcome them.

The little horn and the beast-king are same person, who gets cast into the lake of fire at Jesus's Second Coming in Revelation 19:20

To take place in the present time - before the 1000 years begin in Revelation 20.
 
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The little horn in Daniel 7:27 wears out the saints for a time, times, half time.

In Revelaton13:5-7, the beast-king makes war against the saints to overcome them.

The little horn and the beast-king are same person, who gets cast into the lake of fire at Jesus's Second Coming in Revelation 19:20

To take place in the present time - before the 1000 years begin in Revelation 20.
Really Douggg, your understanding of how the End time unfolds is fascinating and yet at the same time, laughable.
 

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Really Douggg, your understanding of how the End time unfolds is fascinating and yet at the same time, laughable.
Jay, in Revelation 20, after the thousand years, Satan launches one last deception of the nations. Then, in Revelation 20:10 Satan is cast into the lake of fire - where the beast and false prophet "are", and will have been for a thousand years.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

At Jesus's Second Coming:
1. the beast and false prophet cast alive into the lake of fire.
2. Satan cast into the bottomless pit prison.

After the thousand years and Satan's final deception of the nations:
1. Satan is then cast in the lake of fire as well.

Eternity:
1. the beast, the false prophet, Satan in the lake of fire.
 
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Jay, in Revelation 20, after the thousand years, Satan launches one last deception of the nations. Then, in Revelation 20:10 Satan is cast into the lake of fire - where the beast and false prophet "are", and will have been for a thousand years.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

At Jesus's Second Coming:
1. the beast and false prophet cast alive into the lake of fire.
2. Satan cast into the bottomless pit prison.

After the thousand years and Satan's final deception of the nations:
1. Satan is then cast in the lake of fire as well.

Douggg,

We can all agree that Satan was one of the Heavenly hosts at one time and that he had rebelled, but he and the other heavenly hosts, know in the scriptures as the four winds of heaven, i.e., the four beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 and the little horn, who rebelled with Satan retained their access to the heavenly places until such time that they are judged in heaven and kicked out of heaven down to the earth at the same time that the kings of the earth are judged at Armageddon, which will occur around 20 years from now. The scripture that confirms this can be found in Isaiah 24:21-22 where both the judged heavenly hosts and the judged kings of the earth will be gathered together and imprisoned for many days in a pit to away the time of their punishment.

In Rev 20 in verse 3 we are told that Satan is imprisoned when he is kicked out of heaven down to the surface of the earth, in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 years, and because he was judges as foretold in Isaiah 24:21-22, the four beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 plus the Little Horn are also imprisoned at the same time as Satan also for the same 1,000 years that Satan is imprisoned for.

Then in verses 7-9a of rev 20 we are told that Satan is released from the bottomless pit, " and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to assemble them for battle."

Now in Rev 9 we are told that the Bottomless Pit is unlocked, and the kings of the earth rise up out of the pit, "and they were given power like that of the scorpions of the earth. They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. The locusts were not given power to kill them, but only to torment them for five months, and their torment was like the stinging of a scorpion. In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will long to die, but death will escape them." The kings of the earth, described as locusts were given five months to injurer the people of the earth.

Then the sixth angel with the trumpet was told to release the four angels that were bound at the River Euphrates . . . were released to kill a third of mankind.

Then in Rev 17 John saw "a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns.
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The beast that you saw—it was, and now is no more, but is about to come up out of the Abyss, i.e., the Bottomless Pit, and go to its destruction. And those who dwell on the earth whose names were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world will marvel when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet will be."

Then in Rev 13 we are told of "a beast with ten horns and seven heads rising out of the sea." similar to the beast described in Rev 17. "One of the heads of the beast appeared to be mortally wounded. But the mortal wound was healed, and the whole world marveled and followed the beast. They worshiped the dragon who had given authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can wage war against it?”

Then we are told about another beast that rises up out of the Bottomless Pit: - "Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. This beast had two horns like a lamb, but spoke like a dragon. And this beast exercised all the authority of the first beast and caused the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose mortal wound had been healed.

And the second beast performed great signs to cause even fire from heaven to come down to earth in the presence of the people. Because of the signs it was given to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived those who dwell on the earth, telling them to make an image to the beast that had been wounded by the sword and yet had lived. The second beast was permitted to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship it to be killed."

After this we are told in Rev 19: - Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice to all the birds flying overhead, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings and commanders and mighty men, of horses and riders, of everyone slave and free, small and great.”

Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies assembled to wage war against the One seated on the horse, and against His army. But the beast was captured along with the false prophet, who on its behalf had performed signs deceiving those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. Both the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. And the rest were killed with the sword that proceeded from the mouth of the One seated on the horse.

And all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh."

Now we must return to Rev 20 where we learn: - "When the thousand years are complete, Satan will be released from his prison,", i.e., the bottomless pit, "and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to assemble them for battle. Their number is like the sand of the seashore.

And they marched across the broad expanse of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. But fire came down from heaven and consumed them. And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

After this we are told by John about the coming of Jesus to judge the peoples of the earth with the righteous inheriting the whole earth and the unrighteous being cast into the Lake of Fire.

I believe that the above is the right order of understanding of many of the events that are described with respect to the End Time, particularly as described in the Book of Revelation.

Now Douggg, you can disagree with the order of the event presented above, but in the quote above from your previous post, I believe that it shows that the order in which you have placed many of the end time event in, is faulty.

Goodbye

Ps Edited to help @Douggg without changing the meaning or intent of what i had said.
 
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We can all agree that Satan was a Heavenly host at one time
Jay, "host" as used in the bible is referring to a group. Instead ,you are using the word as being like the host to a party - an individual.

To know the history and the future of Satan,read Ezekiel 28:12-19. The king of Tyrus is a code name for Satan, not the actual human king of Tyrus.

12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

Satan will be cast down to earth in Revelation 12:7-9. He will have a time, times, half time left. During that time, Satan will indwell the statue image of the beast-king, as a way to be worshiped.

At the end of the time, times, half time, Jesus returns. Jesus causes the statue image to go up in flames, turned to ashes, and there will be Satan on the temple for everyone present that day to see.

btw, the reason I show portals opened to the lake of fire and the bottomless pit is because when John was caught up to heaven in Revelation 4:1, he said a "door" was opened in heaven. That door I think was a portal that John passed through.





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After this we are told by John about the coming of Jesus to judge the peoples of the earth with the righteous inheriting the whole earth and the unrighteous being cast into the Lake of Fire.
It does not say Jesus coming in Revelation 20:11-15 to judge the peoples of the earth. Instead, inverse 11, this present earth and heaven is destroyed at that time. Fulfilling 2Peter3:10.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 

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12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Is this not found in Rev 20. Does it not state that the people are being judged.

Your two posts above are so holy that water passes straight through because of the holes that can be found in both.

Goodbye
 

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Is this not found in Rev 20. Does it not state that the people are being judged.

Your two posts above are so holy that water passes straight through because of the holes that can be found in both.

Goodbye
People are judged at the Great White Throne judgment after this present earth and heaven are destroyed.

You wrote Jesus comes - but the text does not say Jesus comes in Revelation 20:11-15. There will be no earth and heaven for Jesus to come to.

The point I am making is that you are placing Jesus's coming to this present earth to judge people and the righteous inheriting the earth at that time after the 1000 years is wrong.

Overall, the correct order is this:

1. the 7 years of Daniel 9:27, of which the second half will be the great tribulation
2. Jesus returns to this earth and executes judgment on the wicked.
3. the 1000 years begin, with the meek, the righteous, inheriting the earth
4. after the 1000 years, Satan released from the bottomless pit to deceive the nations one last time.
5. the attackers on Israel destroyed by God with fire from heaven.
6. the second resurrection, relative to the millennium takes place.
7. this present earth and heaven are destroyed
8. the Great White Throne Judgment takes place
 

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The point I am making is that you are placing Jesus's coming to this present earth to judge people and the righteous inheriting the earth at that time after the 1000 years is wrong.

No Douggg, I am not saying that Jesus is coming to the earth at this present time to judge people, but God's presence will be seen as He judges the kings of the earth at Armageddon, and the heavenly hosts in Heaven, in about 20 years' time, for their 2,300 continual years of trampling God's Sanctuary and His earthly Hosts, as we are told in Isaiah 24:21-22.

After this judgement at Armageddon all of Israel will be saved/redeemed and there will be a period of 1,000 years that there will be peace upon the earth until the imprisoned kings of the earth and the heavenly hosts are released for a little while and during this little while they will attempt to install Satan upon God's throne, but they will all captured again and dispatched into the lake of fire.

Then the people of the earth will be judged and those that are deemed righteous will inherit the whole earth and those that are not found in the Book of life will also then be dispatched into the lake of fire.

Douggg, all of your posts on the end times present a jumbled understanding of what you believe will happen, but your understanding is not in line with what God has told us will happen.

Since you are not able to change your thinking to be in line with what the scriptures reveal, this present conversation is over.

Goodbye
 

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So, you disagree that Jesus is the First resurrection, who is Himself the FIRSTborn from the dead,....having the preemince in it.

If then that is your understanding, how did you become "blessed" as a "partaker of the divine nature", if you didn't "have part" in the First resurrection, who is Jesus?
Col. 3
[1] If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Rom. 8
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
I think I missed responding to that post above.

I very much agree that Jesus Christ represents the "firstfruits of them that slept" per Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:20. So why are you TRYING to make up falsehoods against me? Is it because you cannot handle the Scriptures I declare from God's Word?

Your above post is just a stupid FALSE WITNESS ACCUSATION with no basis at all!

What you say IS NOT TO BE TRUSTED, as it is clear you are resorting to A SMEAR TACTIC with the above post! And because of your behavior, I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU ARE A TRUE CHRISTIAN.
 

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No Douggg, I am not saying that Jesus is coming to the earth at this present time to judge people, but God's presence will be seen as He judges the kings of the earth at Armageddon, and the heavenly hosts in Heaven, in about 20 years' time, for their 2,300 continual years of trampling God's Sanctuary and His earthly Hosts, as we are told in Isaiah 24:21-22.
Jay, it is 2300 days in Daniel 8, not 2300 years.

there will be a period of 1,000 years that there will be peace upon the earth until the imprisoned kings of the earth and the heavenly hosts are released for a little while
What ? You claiming kings of the earth will live a thousand years in prison (of the bottomless pit) ?

You are not making sense, Jay.