The TRUE Meaning Of The Little Horn Prophecy For the End

[Davy]

Again, unfortunately, most of church-ianity, the wisdom of men has corrupted and misconstrued the understanding of WHO Jesus was pointing to, when he said those words in Mat. 24:15-21.

Of course what you say above is a bunch of malarkey. Many in Christ's Church perfectly understand about the coming "abomination of desolation" idol to be setup in a temple in Jerusalem, and the coming of a false-Messiah also at that time which Jesus warned His Church about in the Matthew 24:15-26 verses.

Let's see if you can turn yourself around from the sham of a LIE that they have foisted upon all of CHRISTianity. 1 Cor. 2:5. Yes indeed, it will take the power [authority] of the Holy Spirit within you, for you to receive it and accept it.

You are the one who needs to 'turn back' into what is actually written... in God's Word, instead of playing 'doctrines of men' ignorance.

Here is the Truth for your better understanding:
John 2
[18] Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
[19] Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
[20] Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
[21] But he spake of the temple of his body.
[22] When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Through typology*, Jesus was pointing to Himself as being the victim of the Jews themselves committing the 7th abomination against God. Prov. 6:17, which says: "hands that shed innocent blood.

Ah.... that's the old JEW's theory pushed by their servants that have crept into some pulpits of Christ's Church today! They TRY to turn what Apostle Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 about the coming "man of sin" exalting himself in a future literal STONE "temple of God" instead into meaning the 'temple' of Christ's body, and thus the idea of the SPIRITUAL TEMPLE!

Nope! What Earburnt said doesn't work.

Apostle Paul was pointing to a LITERAL JEWISH STONE TEMPLE LOCATED IN JERUSALEM that the coming "man of sin" will exalt himself AS GOD in...

2 Thess 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
KJV

Think about what Paul said brethren in Christ. Is that above really... about the Spiritual Temple in Christ Jesus?? Isn't Lord Jesus Himself The Cornerstone of the Spiritual Temple? Yes, of course He is! And in Ephesians 2, Apostle Paul even revealed that the Apostles and prophets make up the FOUNDATION of that Spiritual Temple! So can anyone or anything CORRUPT the Spiritual Temple?? NO! of course not, for if they try, they are simply CUT OFF from that Spiritual Temple! It is of The Spirit, and not of some geographic location on earth, nor some Church building.

Just WHO would not know this??

Those representing the "synagogue of Satan", the FALSE JEWS who say... they are Jews, but are NOT, like Jesus pointed them out in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9. Those are who that CANNOT understand that about the Spiritual Temple in Jesus Christ, that it cannot be corrupted!

And that is ABSOLUTE PROOF, EASY PROOF from Bible Scripture that "temple of God" Paul pointed to in 2 Thess.2:4 is about a future NEW 3RD JEWISH STONE TEMPLE TO BE BUILT BY THE UNBELIEVING JEWS AT THE END OF THIS WORLD, for that "man of sin" to exalt himself as God in.

 

[Davy]

Through typology*, Jesus was pointing to Himself as being the victim of the Jews themselves committing the 7th abomination against God. Prov. 6:17, which says: "hands that shed innocent blood.

Amazing, that's an ORTHODOX JEW'S attempt to re-write The New Testament Witness using a proverb by Solomon! I mean, The New Testament Witness in The Gospel, Apostle Paul's Epistles, and even into the Book of Revelation, are those in Christ to just throw those New Testament Books out?

*Note: prophecy that has already been fulfilled, CANNOT be fulfilled again, but it CAN be performed through typology (type and antitype), which is exactly why Jesus used the "AoD" in Daniel. Jesus was using that fulfilled event of the "AoD", to point TO HIMSELF, as being a "type" of the AoD against the Jewish temple, during the days of Antiochus Epiphanes IV and that of Judas Maccabbeus. See 1 Maccabees ch. 1-4.

Whoops! That above is definitely a side-slip AWAY from the actual written Bible Scripture.

Your "typology" theory is actually REVERSED! Antiochus did NOT fulfill all the "abomination of desolation" prophetic parameters given in Daniel 11 as the "vile person", in 165 B.C. Per the Daniel 11 prophecy, the "vile person" is to come to power PEACEFULLY. Antiochus IV in 165 B.C. instead took Jerusalem USING AN ARMY.

Then about 200 years later, Lord Jesus quoted the "abomination of desolation" prophecy from Daniel 11 to His elect about events leading up to His future return, as written in Jesus' Olivet discourse (Matt.24; Mark 13).

That means then... Antiochus Epiphanes WAS THE TYPE for the coming false-Messiah at the END of this world that Jesus was warning about in His Olivet discourse. Easy Peasy stuff, this is.

 

[Davy]

In totality, at least three major prophecies, that were spoken of to Israel, today the religious realm of "church-ianity"*, has all three at least 80% of it wrong!
*1 Cor. 2:5.

1. The prophecy about the Abomination that maketh desolate
2. The prophecy of the 2300 days.
3. The prophecy about the 70 weeks.

It's the ORTHODOX JEWS that have the prophecies wrong! So I don't know who you are trying to fool here.

Today's Orthodox Jews even believe that their 'return' back to the holy land in the past century or so, and especially when Israel by U.N. Charter vote became a nation again in the middle east, those Jews think their RESTORATION from Old Testament prophecy is being FULFILLED TODAY, when IT IS NOT!

Their Jewish religious leaders are great at telling lies to their own people! It's obvious that the ten scattered tribes of Israel, WHICH MADE UP THE MAJORITY OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL AT THE SPLIT of 1 Kings 11 & 12, have NOT yet returned with the Jews. Yet the Orthodox Jewish leaders fix that with a LIE, by saying the ten tribes will NEVER return, and are LOST forever, their seed having been absorbed forever, which is just another LIE! Or they use an alternate LIE, saying that ALL 12 tribes of Israel returned back to Jerusalem-Judea after the Jew's Babylon captivity, even though there's HISTORICAL evidence that the ten tribes remained scattered... among the Gentiles outside the holy land, which was also written in Bible prophecy too!

(Brethren in Christ, it's up to YOU to do your own homework in God's Word to know these things, which makes it EASY to catch those who push lies against God's written Word.)

When the Orthodox Jew's fake-Messiah does appear, that small group of Orthodox Jewish leaders in Jerusalem, will continue their LIES to the people, and say that false-Messiah is of the tribe of Judah, and of the house of David, and is The Christ, and it's time to anoint him as king! and begin building the NEW 3RD JEWISH STONE TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM for him to sit in, and re-establish old covenant temple worship with sacrifices.

TO THE ORTHODOX UNBELIEVING JEW, JESUS SAID...

John 5:43
43 I am come in My Father's name, and ye receive Me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
KJV

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, it is 2300 days in Daniel 8, not 2300 years.

You have assumed your interpretation and I have assumed mine. Let us see if in 20 years' time whether or not the judgement of the kings of the earth happens or not. Until then we are booth holding to our own understanding.

What ? You claiming kings of the earth will live a thousand years in prison (of the bottomless pit) ?

You are not making sense, Jay.

No Douggg, I am not making this claim, I am only repeating what the scriptures tell us will happen. Why do the men have hair like womans and teeth like a lion as described in Rev 9 but then again you are limiting your understanding to what your experience is. I am just accepting that people can live in the places where God puts them so that they can then receive their punishment.

Goodbye

 

[BarneyFife]

Really, Barneyfife, then why have you not spelt out the other things about the matter so that they can be tested.

All that you are saying is that what I posted is wrong without providing an alternative POV that may shed some light upon the matter.

You've made clear in the past your views on Adventist eschatology, Jay, so I wouldn't care to joust buy if you're really interested, the spelling out part of this video begins at roughly 27 minutes in:
(Actually, more like 35 minutes in)

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[Davy]

Brethren in Christ, don't listen to those like Earburner claiming that the Jews only have the proper interpretation of the Daniel prophecies. That's a bunch of balderdash.

The 2300 days prophecy in Daniel 8 isn't that difficult, IF we pay attention closely to what is written there in God's Word.

Dan 8:9-14
9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

This "little horn" is for the very end of this world, and represents the final Antichrist. That "pleasant land" represents Jerusalem-Judea.

10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

His "waxed great, even to the host of heaven..." is about his exalting himself in place of God, like what Apostle Paul revealed about the "man of sin" in 2 Thessalonians 2:4. Use of "stars" here is as a symbol for angels. Revelation 12:7-9 reveals a war in Heaven will take place at the end of this world, between Michael and his angels, vs. Satan and his angels. The result will be that Satan and his angels will be cast down to this earth, in OUR earthly dimension, in person (believe it as written, or not, up to you).

11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

That is about his magnifying himself as God when he comes to earth playing the false-Messiah Jesus warned us about in Matthew 24:23-26, which is actually about a SINGULAR FALSE CHRIST.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

This coming false one for the end, given here, is the same "vile person" of the Daniel 11 prophecy, and is for the END of this world. Dan.11 shows the "vile person" will exalt himself, and made king in Jerusalem, and will end the daily sacrifices, and instead "place the abomination that maketh desolate", meaning an IDOL placed at the temple in Jerusalem in false worship. That is what this "transgression" is about here.

13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, "How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?"
14 And he said unto me, "Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."
KJV

Those 2 verses cover the 2300 days prophecy. I'll make it easy for ya, the phrases in colors are the important pivotal events to note in the prophecy.

1. "the vision concerning the daily sacrifice"--
This is about that "little horn" coming and then eventually ending the daily sacrifices that are part of the timing of a new stone temple in Jerusalem, for the end of this world. The little horn, or vile person, ends those sacrifices, and per the Dan.9:27 he will do that in the middle of the symbolic "one week" (7 years). So that's means after... the first 1260 days period of the 7 years.

2. "the transgression of desolation" --
This is about that false one instead setting up an IDOL abomination in the new temple in false worship, and demanding all worship it or be killed. The Rev.13 "image of the beast" for the END is what that is pointing to. This IDOL is to be setup in the middle of that "one week" also.

3. "the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?" --
This is about the END, the latter half of the Dan.9:27 symbolic "one week". This is the latter 1260 day period of the "one week". This is the actual "great tribulation" time at the END of this world. It begins when that IDOL abomination is setup in the new temple in Jerusalem, per Matthew 24:15. Per the Revelation 11 Scripture, the Gentiles are given to 'tread' the holy city for 42 months, and John is told to not measure the 'outer court' (of the new temple), for it is given to them. Rev.13:4-8 also mentions the "dragon" will have power over all peoples and nations in that time for 42 months, which is the same amount of time as the 1260 days (the latter half of the "one week", trib timing.)

4. "then shall the sanctuary be cleansed" --
This represents the END OF THE WHOLE 7 YEARS PERIOD, and thus the END of the "great tribulation" time. This also represents the 'day' of Christ's future return to end this present world. After Christ's future return is when this cleansing of the sanctuary in Jerusalem happen.

The saint's question was how long... would no.1, 2, and 3 be, until... 4 happens. The answer he was given was: 2300 days.

No.4 happens only after the "great tribulation" is ended by Jesus' coming (Matt.24:29-31). That's when the sanctuary cleansing will begin. That means place the 'end' of the 2300 days at the very end... then count backward.

[---------"one week" Dan.9:27 (7 years or 2520 days)----------]
[-----------1260 days---------]AOD[---------1260 days---------][ Jesus returns
[--220 days-][---------------------2300 days--------------------][ cleansing
[------------1040 days--------]AOD]
[--220 days-][----820 days---]AOD]


The total "one week" in days is 2520 days. So the 2520 day total minus the 2300 days = 220 days that goes prior to the start of the 2300 day period.

The 1040 days period is to cover the time of No.1, which means the build of the temple and re-establishing the old covenant with daily sacrifices. That is the 1040 days period, and ends when the AOD is setup instead at the mid point.

The start of the 2300 day period requires subtracting the 2300 days from the total of 2520 days to come up with that 220 days at the beginning of the whole period, so that 220 days has to be fixed there at the start.

From the 'end' of that 220 days to the AOD leaves 820 days (1040 - 220 = 820). We may assume then, that the 220 days is for the time the temple is built, and then the 820 days is how long the daily sacrifices in temple worship will go on until false-Messiah places the AOD at the end of the first 1260 day period.

The second 1260 days period after the AOD, represents the time of "great tribulation". It begins when that "abomination of desolation" idol is setup in the new temple in Jerusalem.

After that latter 1260 days period to end the "great tribulation" is when Jesus returns on the "day of the Lord", and ends the whole 2520 days period, and begins the cleansing of the sanctuary.

 

[Jay Ross]

You've made clear in the past your views on Adventist eschatology, Jay, so I wouldn't care to joust buy if you're really interested, the spelling out part of this video begins at roughly 27 minutes in:
(Actually, more like 35 minutes in)

BarneyFife,

I watched the video from around the 25 minute mark to the end and realised that the speaker did not refer to other Biblical prophecies that shone a light upon the Statue Prophecy which told us that the Land of Babylon would remain devastated and desolate for a period of some two ages, or a little longer than 2,040 years.

The history recorded in the works of Josephus suggests to us that the Seleucid Empire of Greece took all of the Babylon people and their utility structures from the land of Babylon on drays and relocated the people of Babylon throughout their empire. It is my understanding that the desolation and devastation of the Land of Babylon occurred around 120 BC, some 60 years before the Roman Empire became a player on the world stage of history.

Isaiah 13 and Jeremiah 50 we are told that the land of Babylon will lie devasted and desolated for a period of two ages and in Rev 16:19b we are told that "great Babylon was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.", which occurred in 1926 AD when the nation Iraq was created by the French and British to hold dominion over the land of the Chaldeans/Babylon.

Now, the SDA prides itself on using historical confirmation for the fulfilment of biblical Prophecy, but here is one case where the historical records of the history of Babylon is being ignored as it flies in the face of SDA understanding. As such, the historical record tells us that the fourth people groups that held dominion over the land of Babylon was IRAQ.

As we read further on in Jeremiah 50 and 51 we read that a king from the north along with many other nations invaded the Land of Babylon, i.e., Iraq, to heal the land instead of destroying the nation having dominion over the Land of Babylon.

If we consider the 2003 invasion of the land of Babylon/Iraq led by the President of the USA, of which Australia was one the strong supporting nations, you will find the following prophetic prophecy in Jer 51 unfolding at this present time: -

13 O you who dwell by many waters,
Abundant in treasures,
Your end has come,
The measure of your covetousness.
14 The Lord of hosts has sworn by Himself:
“Surely I will fill you with men, as with locusts,
And they shall lift up a shout against you.”

15He has made the earth by His power;
He has established the world by His wisdom,
And stretched out the heaven by His understanding.
16When He utters His voice—
There is a multitude of waters in the heavens:
“He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth;
He makes lightnings for the rain;
He brings the wind out of His treasuries.”

Now the reformation fathers had a beef with the RCC and so they demonised the RCC and wrongly claimed that the Roman Empire was the fourth segment of the Daniel 2 Statue Prophecy. They also wrongly claimed that the Beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 were the same nations that had dominion over the Land of Babylon and included the Roman Empire as the fourth segment, and that the "revived Roman Empire was the fifth segment of the Daniel 2 Statue prophecy. These lies suited the Reformation fathers' purposes and the lie has continued to this present day and the revelation of the fourth and fifth segment of the Daniel 2 Statue prophecy in 1926 and 2003 should squash the false claims of the churches who continue to present these lies as the "Gospel" truth.

What I did appreciate in the video was the call to the acceptance of Christ at the start of the video.

 

[Phoneman777]

What you say IS NOT TO BE TRUSTED, as it is clear you are resorting to A SMEAR TACTIC with the above post! And because of your behavior, I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU ARE A TRUE CHRISTIAN.

Bro, what about you and your constant resorting to strawman arguments for why "we can't earn salvation" when not a single one of us has claimed we can?

You smug antinomianists claim to follow Jesus, but Jesus never once resorted to strawman arguments, neither did He ever claim we don't have to keep the Ten Commandments while refusing to publicly declare which ones we're free to break. Conversely, He said "If ye love Me, keep My commandments" which are the Ten Commandments Jesus - the God of the OT - wrote with His own finger in stone at Sinai.

 

[Douggg]

You have assumed your interpretation and I have assumed mine. Let us see if in 20 years' time whether or not the judgement of the kings of the earth happens or not. Until then we are booth holding to our own understanding.

It will not be necessary to wait 20 years. The parable of the fig tree generation places Jesus's return not beyond the end of 2037.

Which in turn means that 7 years of Daniel 9:27 and the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39 will take pace not beyond the end of 2030.

 

[Douggg]

[-----------1260 days---------]AOD[---------1260 days---------][ Jesus returns

Davy, you have the 2300 days correct, but the above line incorrect. I widened the dashes so as to get everything to appear, but basically to emulate your timeline style.

2300 days, Daniel 8:14. 1290 days and 1335 days, Daniel 12:11-12.


[------220 days-------][-----------------------------------------------2300 days----------------------------------------][ cleansing


[----------------?----------------]TOD[--------?------]AOD[----------1335 days----------------------------------------][ Jesus returns


[----------------?-----------------]TOD[-------?------]AOD[----------1290 days--------]sign[---------45 days---------][Jesus returns



TOD - transgression of desolation
AOD - abomination of desolation
sign - sign of the Son of Man in heaven


The great tribulation will be 1335 days long. Ending with Jesus's return

1290 days to the sign of the Son of Man in Heaven. Then 45 days of the kings of the earth gathering their armies at Armageddon and preparing to make war on Jesus and his armies of heaven. Ending with Jesus's return

The TOD (transgression of desolation act of 2Thesssalonians2:4) is not known specifically what day.

 

[Douggg]

[------------1040 days--------]AOD]
[--220 days-][----820 days---]AOD]

Davy, eliminate those two. Use these two instead. The Antichrist will unexpectedly commit the TOD act of 2Thesslaonians2:4, revealing himself as the man sin. God then has him assassinated for his audacious act in Ezekiel 28:1-10. Then in Isaiah 14:18-20. brings him back to life to become the beast (king). The false prophet then has a statue image made of him and placed on the temple mount. The AOD.


[----------------?----------------]TOD[--------?------]AOD[----------1335 days----------------------------------------][ Jesus returns


[----------------?-----------------]TOD[-------?------]AOD[----------1290 days--------]sign[---------45 days---------][Jesus returns

 

[Jay Ross]

It will not be necessary to wait 20 years. The parable of the fig tree generation places Jesus's return not beyond the end of 2037.

Which in turn means that 7 years of Daniel 9:27 and the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39 will take pace not beyond the end of 2030.

Douggg, if your understanding happens in the year 2037, then Jesus will have returned as you have said, but if the kings of the earth gather at the place called Armageddon in the year 2044 as I am suggesting, then God will be judging the Heavenly hosts in heaven and the kings of the earth on the earth and together they will be imprisoned for many days to await the time of their punishment.

Both events, if true will have happen within 20 years as I have suggested.

Your impatience in not waiting until 2044 for the possibility of what I have suggested is telling on your own uncertainty that what you hare suggesting is true.

 

[Douggg]

Your impatience in not waiting until 2044 for the possibility of what I have suggested is telling on your own uncertainty that what you hare suggesting is true.

No, Jay, it is telling on your not understanding the parable of the fig tree generation. The end of 2037 is the not beyond limit. Jesus's return must be before the end of 2037 - but certainly could be earlier.

1967[-------------------------------------------------70 years max--------------------------------------------------------][ Jesus returns

Because there are 7 years that precede Jesus return - those have to fit in as well.

Gog/Magog[---------------------------------------------7 years ----------------------------------------------------------][ Jesus returns

For example, if we know (of course we don't know) is that Jesus returns in 2035, then 7 years before then in 2028 the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39 will take place and the 7 years begin immediately following.

--------------------------------------------

Since we are in 2024, if the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39 were to take place this year, then Jesus's return, 7 years later would be 2031.

So the window for Jesus's return at present is between 2031 and 2037.

 

[Davy]

Davy, you have the 2300 days correct, but the above line incorrect. I widened the dashes so as to get everything to appear, but basically to emulate your timeline style.

2300 days, Daniel 8:14. 1290 days and 1335 days, Daniel 12:11-12.


[------220 days-------][-----------------------------------------------2300 days----------------------------------------][ cleansing


[----------------?----------------]TOD[--------?------]AOD[----------1335 days----------------------------------------][ Jesus returns


[----------------?-----------------]TOD[-------?------]AOD[----------1290 days--------]sign[---------45 days---------][Jesus returns



TOD - transgression of desolation
AOD - abomination of desolation
sign - sign of the Son of Man in heaven


The great tribulation will be 1335 days long. Ending with Jesus's return

1290 days to the sign of the Son of Man in Heaven. Then 45 days of the kings of the earth gathering their armies at Armageddon and preparing to make war on Jesus and his armies of heaven. Ending with Jesus's return

The TOD (transgression of desolation act of 2Thesssalonians2:4) is not known specifically what day.

I cannot agree with your making the "transgression of desolation" of Dan.8:13 into a separate event prior to the placing of the "abomination of desolation".

"transgression of desolation" = the "abomination of desolation" false worship in a new temple in Jerusalem which only begins in the middle of the "one week" per Daniel 9:27. (see also Matthew 24:15)

 

[Davy]

The great tribulation will be 1335 days long. Ending with Jesus's return

Not per the Scriptures. Daniel 9:27, Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 11, reveal the actual time of "great tribulation", the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period, will be 1260 days, or 42 months. The 'day' time reckoning is for Christ's servants, and the 'lunar' time reckoning in months is to represent Satan's host.

The 1290 days of Dan.12 is a period of 30 days after... Christ's future return. It represents the time of the 'cleansing' of the sanctuary.

The 1335 days is another 75 day period after... the 1290 days, and it represents the time when Christ's saints are blessed and reigning with Jesus in His future Kingdom on earth.

 

[Davy]

Davy, eliminate those two. Use these two instead. The Antichrist will unexpectedly commit the TOD act of 2Thesslaonians2:4, revealing himself as the man sin. God then has him assassinated for his audacious act in Ezekiel 28:1-10. Then in Isaiah 14:18-20. brings him back to life to become the beast (king). The false prophet then has a statue image made of him and placed on the temple mount. The AOD.

That's some WILD theory from men's doctrines you have there.

The coming Antichrist, or "man of sin", or "dragon", or "another beast", or "little horn", or pseudo-Christ, or "vile person", etc., will confirm the "covenant" of Daniel 9:27 for a period of "one week" (symbol for a 7 year, or 2520 days period).

And then in the middle of that "one week", which means after 1260 days, the first half of the "one week", he will end the sacrifices and will instead place the abomination that maketh desolate, causing false worship to an idol abomination. It is that event that Jesus showed in Matthew 24:15 that will set off the future "great tribulation" time, which is the latter... 1260 days of the "one week".

The only time we cannot know in that future prophecy per Scripture is the time which Jesus said He shortened the great tribulation to for the sake of His elect. That means the latter half of the "one week", i.e., 1260 days, has been shortened, but no man knows that time for Jesus did not reveal it.

 

[Davy]

Since we are in 2024, if the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39 were to take place this year, then Jesus's return, 7 years later would be 2031.

So the window for Jesus's return at present is between 2031 and 2037.

That idea of the Gog/Magog event happening prior... to the time of "great tribulation" is NOT written.

The Ezekiel 38 Gog/Magog armies coming up against Israel will happen on the LAST DAY of this world, which is when Jesus comes to destroy the beast and that army out of the northern quarters.

Would Satan's workers on earth setup a type of WWIII in order to present their coming false-Messiah as The Christ to deceive the whole world? Sure, and that is where you are getting that false idea that the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38 happens prior to the 7 years "one week" of Dan.9:27. It does not, but happens on the LAST DAY of this present world, which will be the "day of the Lord", the day of Christ's future return.

So if... there's another global war in our time, and then a time of world peace by the coming of a supernatural one, then that will be the Antichrist, and not Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Davy]

The great tribulation will be 1335 days long. Ending with Jesus's return

1290 days to the sign of the Son of Man in Heaven. Then 45 days of the kings of the earth gathering their armies at Armageddon and preparing to make war on Jesus and his armies of heaven. Ending with Jesus's return

The TOD (transgression of desolation act of 2Thesssalonians2:4) is not known specifically what day.

Those who often get confused with the Daniel 12:11-12 timing forget to heed the previous Daniel 12:5-7 Scripture given just before that...

Dan 12:5-7
5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.

6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, "How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?"

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by Him That liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
KJV

That "time, times, and an half" = 1260 days, and is the LATTER HALF of the Dan.9:27 "one week". That means do not confuse the 1290 days and 1335 days with changing that 1260 day latter half.

 

[Davy]

Therefore brethren in Christ Jesus, don't pay attention to those who come here to spread lies against God's written Word regarding the "little horn" prophecy in Daniel 7.

They want instead try to point to a time in past history, saying right after Alexander The Great's kingdom was when the "little horn" of Dan.7 was.

Here is an easy way to know that the "little horn" prophecy of Daniel 7 is for the END of this world, and not past history...

Dan 7:7-9
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
KJV

Dan.7:24 reveals those "ten horns" are ten kings. Verse 9 reveals those ten kings will manifest at the end of this world when Jesus returns and casts them down. It is pointing to the final beast kingdom on earth when Jesus returns, which is still future to us. That is linked to this timing Jesus gave in His Book of Revelation...

Rev 17:12-14
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for He is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with Him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
KJV

Thus the "ten horns" of Revelation are those same "ten horns" of Daniel 7. And that "beast" there they give their power to is the "little horn" king that comes up from among the 10 horns, and subdues 3 of the ten kings. He represents the Antichrist at the end of this world for the tribulation time. That is for the very END of this world, not back in history.

Lord Jesus even gave yet another proof of this in that same Dan.7 chapter...

Dan 7:11-12
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
KJV

Truly then, we were supposed to have already realized "the beast" of Rev.17:12 is actually this same "beast" here in Dan.7:11, the "little horn" that comes up among the ten horns.

Note verse 12 above. Those kings that rule with the coming Antichrist will have their dominion taken away (by Christ at His return), but their lives will be prolonged for a season and time. That is about Jesus casting them into Satan's prison pit with Satan on the last day of this world. Isaiah 24 mentions this future prophecy also...

Isa 24:21-23
21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.
23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before His ancients gloriously.
KJV

What do you think that "many days" represents? It represents the future "thousand years" of Christ's future reign that begins at His future return. That is when Satan will be locked in chains in his pit prison for that whole period, and those kings with him.

 

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Therefore brethren in Christ Jesus, don't pay attention to those who come here to spread lies against God's written Word regarding the "little horn" prophecy in Daniel 7.

They want instead try to point to a time in past history, saying right after Alexander The Great's kingdom was when the "little horn" of Dan.7 was.

Here is an easy way to know that the "little horn" prophecy of Daniel 7 is for the END of this world, and not past history...

Dan 7:7-9
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
KJV

Dan.7:24 reveals those "ten horns" are ten kings. Verse 9 reveals those ten kings will manifest at the end of this world when Jesus returns and casts them down. It is pointing to the final beast kingdom on earth when Jesus returns, which is still future to us. That is linked to this timing Jesus gave in His Book of Revelation...

Rev 17:12-14
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for He is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with Him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
KJV

Thus the "ten horns" of Revelation are those same "ten horns" of Daniel 7. And that "beast" there they give their power to is the "little horn" king that comes up from among the 10 horns, and subdues 3 of the ten kings. He represents the Antichrist at the end of this world for the tribulation time. That is for the very END of this world, not back in history.

Lord Jesus even gave yet another proof of this in that same Dan.7 chapter...

Dan 7:11-12
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
KJV

Truly then, we were supposed to have already realized "the beast" of Rev.17:12 is actually this same "beast" here in Dan.7:11, the "little horn" that comes up among the ten horns.

Note verse 12 above. Those kings that rule with the coming Antichrist will have their dominion taken away (by Christ at His return), but their lives will be prolonged for a season and time. That is about Jesus casting them into Satan's prison pit with Satan on the last day of this world. Isaiah 24 mentions this future prophecy also...

Isa 24:21-23
21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.
23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before His ancients gloriously.
KJV

What do you think that "many days" represents? It represents the future "thousand years" of Christ's future reign that begins at His future return. That is when Satan will be locked in chains in his pit prison for that whole period, and those kings with him.

Or, we could simply just go to Daniel 2 (parallel to Daniel 7), verse 28, which says:

Daniel 2:28 KJV — But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;

It pays to actually study and remember these things rather than just copy and paste them.

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